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This is a great post, largely because (and I expect this part will really irk you) it seems so unlike something a man would write. I read some LDS book once (With Child: Mormon Musings on Motherhood or something) and the intro contained this crazy but true idea that controlling your fertility creates incredible burdens even as it relieves you from incredible burdens. Of course, the short answer is to shut up about it and do whatever your wife wants. It’s in the GHI. |
Love the family picture! With a family like that — why not have 20? |
DKL–touching post. Careful there though–you’re going to become somewhat humanized with photos of such a beautiful family as you have. I’d hate to see the most reviled person in the blogernacle lose his calling and election (previously made sure). You realize of course, like most of us, you married up! |
Wise and profound, DKL. I almost showed it to my wife, then I realized she would see that part where you took a year off when your wife was pregnant. You’ve set the bar impossibly high, brother. |
Hmmm… We have 4 young’ns but I never get that “someone’s missing” feeling… Good stuff DKL. I was intrigued by your comments on utilitarians, love, and happiness. I have long sort of assumed that love can be seen as a means to happiness (and I still think it can) but I like your comments about love being an end and not a means. I think that is right — at least it is right that deeply loving relationships seem to be the greatest and most desirable end in existence. Hence the two great commandments outlined by Jesus. |
DKL, that is really a wonderful family picture. I also felt you made a profound point about love being an end rather than a means. |
Nice. Keep going till you’re done! |
Sweet and Gorgeous kids! Go for it! |
I’ve always thought the same thing about happiness/love. Like Husker Du said, “Is it only happiness you want?” (Yes, everything comes down to a song lyric for me.) And wow, your wife really is hot (as you like to say so often). And your daughters are adorable. I’ve always wanted more kids. I still do. I just don’t think it’s going to happen. |
That’s a really beautiful family, David, although the baby looks like she’s about to bite the dust, there. I had to fight with Bill for four years to have Sarah, then she was born, and he fell totally in love. He wanted to have another baby, but I wasn’t up to it. Now I wonder if I was wrong about that. It’s so hard to figure out what’s the right thing to do. |
Holy chick attack, Batman! In my situation I don’t feel like anyone’s missing from our family right now. We have two young, rambunctious boys and that feels like enough. But when I think about the future and see only two teenage boys and only two daughters-in-law and only two sons-worth of grandkids, that’s when I feel like something is missing. So we’re having at least one more now (the wife is due in April) so that we don’t end up lacking in the future when it’s too late. |
Tom(11), my wife is Due in April too. guess omething was in the water in July… We’re just on number two though. Your comment matches my sometimes reasoning though. When I’m old, I’m going to need something to do between missions, or worse, if I out live my wife. So maybe I should have lots of kids and convince them to live in random exotic locations. knowing my luck though, they’ll all end up in the same neighborhood in Iowa. (no offense to Iowans, but it’s cold up there.) |
Julie, I’m glad you like the post. Your reasoning doesn’t irk me at all. But you’re right: it’s not really up to me. Thanks for all the kind words about the photo. A total stranger took it for us last summer at the National Zoo, just inside the Amazonia building. Mami, I could never move to France or Russia! The taxes would kill me. Guy, thanks. I did marry up. As far as being reviled, now that I’ve actually found a blogging home among such a distinguished set of bloggers, and I’m just trying to hold up my end of the bargain. I hope I have enough history to remain the most reviled participant in the ‘nacle in spite of that. Mark IV, you can show your wife. Just tell her that in the year preceding the one that I took off (it was actually about a year and a half), I there were only 5 days that I did not work — including holidays and weekends. That should make up for it. Geoff & danithew, I’m always pleased when my insights are considered something more than commonplace. meems, twins? My goodness. I used to fry eggs every morning for breakfast. Shannon would generally have just a fried egg white, and I’d add the extra yolk to my own egg. That gave rise to a really lame joke, where I kept telling Shannon that all the double yolks were an oman. Susan M, everything is about lyrics. Of that, I’m convinced. annegb & Tom, Shannon and I have never had definite plans about how many babies we’d have. We just figured we’d have them until we felt like we had enough. Problem is, 4 is a grey area as far as “enough” is concerned. mw*, best of luck on the little one. No matter how many you’ve already got, it’s always exciting to have another. |
We had the same feeling after our first, then the opposite after our second. Before we had even started discussing it, both of us just ‘knew’ that two was the right amount. After having three, my parents decided 5 was the right amount, and then they had twins. My in-laws also felt that two was right. I think there are many couples that just know when their family is finished. |
DKL: I have four boys, and my wife wants a girl. Any thoughts about a trade? |
BTW, we always planned on having two and adopting two. #3 was a surprise, and the best surprise we ever could have asked for. |
Wow, that is a really beautiful picture, DKL. Our snapshots never turn out like that. I guess it’s easy when you have a hot wife and four angelic little beauties. I was actually thinking about why we have kids just the other day and came up with the same answer. It’s hard, it’s messy, and they will make you cry, possibly every single day for the rest of your life. But I’m convinced that having people to love and care for is an important need. Spiritually, biologically, physically. How MANY people we need to love and care for at three a.m. (nighttime feedings, bad dreams, sleepwalking, “is it morning yet?”), well, that’s a harder question. Good luck finding the right answer. …and damn, a whole year off?! How did you manage that? |
Consider your blog printed and hanged upon the fridge. I’m curled up in the recliner with my favorite blanket, Kenneth Cope playing in the background, alpha daughter is asleep on the couch, middle daughter is asleep on the floor, current omega daughter is asleep in utero, and the husband is at work. I had a horribly trying day today, courtesy of the kids, and this is the first time today that all has felt right. I found this posting touching, but the last two paragraphs finally made tears well up. Call it pregnancy hormones, but I just loved it. I worry about done-ness, too. My husband has always insisted four is it, but I already feel at 2.5 kids that four isn’t the right number. I can’t seem to convince him that there’s no point to deciding now what will be “too much” years down the road. - guess we’ll wait and see. I have the same rule as you’re wife, though, about a boy. If a boy pops in for round four, we’ll have an automatic round five for another brother. |