Comments on: Who Do Romney and Reid Represent Anyway? http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:54:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Guy Noir, Private Eye http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-82042 Guy Noir, Private Eye Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:52:43 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-82042 IMHO, events like Romney,Reid, & Hatch politics raise the level of anxiety about the 'mainstreaming' issue; the fundys Don't like mainstreaming, the progressives Do; others (in the middle) simply ignore it or Deny it. For its part, official Mormon statements are also to 'play dumb' or downplay this, even as leaders give talks & lower-key messages on either-both sides of the issue, Ambiguity is their Friend. 'Standing For Something'? Not Quite... IMHO, events like Romney,Reid, & Hatch politics raise the level of anxiety about the ‘mainstreaming’ issue; the fundys Don’t like mainstreaming, the progressives Do; others (in the middle) simply ignore it or Deny it.

For its part, official Mormon statements are also to ‘play dumb’ or downplay this, even as leaders give talks & lower-key messages on either-both sides of the issue, Ambiguity is their Friend.

‘Standing For Something’? Not Quite…

]]> By: ssssss http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-71306 ssssss Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:25:12 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-71306 We would not expect those things to occur as you mentioned (no sports games on Sunday from the owner of a sports team, only LDS-friendly movies from a mormon producer, etc.)? Does this mean that they do not live their lives according to their beliefs? Or is it just in a portion of their lives, perhaps in their free time? We would not expect those things to occur as you mentioned (no sports games on Sunday from the owner of a sports team, only LDS-friendly movies from a mormon producer, etc.)? Does this mean that they do not live their lives according to their beliefs? Or is it just in a portion of their lives, perhaps in their free time?

]]> By: C. Hansen http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-1859 C. Hansen Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:07:44 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-1859 annegb, would the use of the word "chick" hereabouts be a no-no in all contexts or depending on context? As, perhaps, would be "babe," "doll," "broad," or "wench"? And is such a proscription due more to some version of feminist theory or else to these terms' "youth culture" associations, within every generation, of moral laxity (in line with avoiding such other signs of worldliness as the wearing of multiple earings or having a tatoo)? annegb, would the use of the word “chick” hereabouts be a no-no in all contexts or depending on context? As, perhaps, would be “babe,” “doll,” “broad,” or “wench”? And is such a proscription due more to some version of feminist theory or else to these terms’ “youth culture” associations, within every generation, of moral laxity (in line with avoiding such other signs of worldliness as the wearing of multiple earings or having a tatoo)?

]]> By: annegb http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-1452 annegb Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:59:34 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-1452 I care. It bothers me when politicians try to use their piousness to get elected. Beyond that, I don't support Mitt Romney. I don't want any organization from the church supporting him and looking like all Mormons want him elected. I don't care if he represents himself as a man who needs God, but I care if he represents himself as a man of God. I care. It bothers me when politicians try to use their piousness to get elected.

Beyond that, I don’t support Mitt Romney. I don’t want any organization from the church supporting him and looking like all Mormons want him elected.

I don’t care if he represents himself as a man who needs God, but I care if he represents himself as a man of God.

]]> By: BRoz http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-1420 BRoz Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:52:31 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-1420 I was watching Senator Obama give a speach at the Chicago Club on CNN. During the Question and answer section he picks on the reverend, and says he has to let him ask a question because "you know he has a direct line with upstairs." Could a Mormon politician do that in a public meeting if Pres. Hinkley were there. People would freak. Fact is, noone should care. I don't care if Obama wants to connect himself with the Evangelical Christian clergy member in the audience. Also, who cares if Mitt Romney is going for the Mormon vote. Isn't that why Presidents pick vice-presidents that can carry a particular battleground state. Fair treatment. I was watching Senator Obama give a speach at the Chicago Club on CNN. During the Question and answer section he picks on the reverend, and says he has to let him ask a question because “you know he has a direct line with upstairs.” Could a Mormon politician do that in a public meeting if Pres. Hinkley were there. People would freak.

Fact is, noone should care. I don’t care if Obama wants to connect himself with the Evangelical Christian clergy member in the audience.

Also, who cares if Mitt Romney is going for the Mormon vote. Isn’t that why Presidents pick vice-presidents that can carry a particular battleground state.

Fair treatment.

]]> By: Dan http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-870 Dan Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:44 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-870 Mr. Layne, it seems we now both agree on how we perceive each other. I'm glad we found some commonality. Too bad that we cannot get any closer to agreement on other issues. Mr. Layne, it seems we now both agree on how we perceive each other. I’m glad we found some commonality. Too bad that we cannot get any closer to agreement on other issues.

]]> By: Arnold Layne http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-3#comment-869 Arnold Layne Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:30:22 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-869 Hopeless! Completely hopeless! I have never before encountered a person who so confidently, self-righteously and obliviously argued such complete and utter nonsense. Watching a dog chase its tail is more enlightening. It only goes to prove the most dangerous people are those who do not know they do not know. Hopeless! Completely hopeless! I have never before encountered a person who so confidently, self-righteously and obliviously argued such complete and utter nonsense. Watching a dog chase its tail is more enlightening. It only goes to prove the most dangerous people are those who do not know they do not know.

]]> By: Dan http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-2#comment-867 Dan Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:17:11 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-867 Why Rhapsidiomite, so you can experience just how evil and awful torture is. Is it working? ;) Why Rhapsidiomite, so you can experience just how evil and awful torture is. Is it working? ;)

]]> By: Rhapsidiomite http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-2#comment-865 Rhapsidiomite Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:06:52 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-865 Oh, Dan, why do you torture us so! And keep us up so late at night! Why, O Dan, why! Oh, Dan, why do you torture us so! And keep us up so late at night! Why, O Dan, why!

]]> By: Dan http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm/comment-page-2#comment-860 Dan Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:28:43 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2006/10/19/who-do-romney-and-reid-represent-anyway.htm#comment-860 Perhaps you are not explaining yourself well, Mr. Layne. If these techniques are really not that bad, not that harmful, then how can they be effective in breaking the will of a hardened warrior? If sleep deprivation is as harmless as sleepless college nights, how can they make a hardened terrorist talk? We're not talking about techniques to make someone feel "uncomfortable," but rather to attempt to forcibly extract from them information they supposedly do not wish to give. Lack of sleep you get in college does not give you this. The problem is that the harder you push, the less reliable the information becomes. Whereas, as I've shown with intelligence operatives who have gone on the record, the nicer we are to them, the more cooperative they are. Imagine that! so......why go down this path? why support the use of torture? Perhaps you are not explaining yourself well, Mr. Layne. If these techniques are really not that bad, not that harmful, then how can they be effective in breaking the will of a hardened warrior? If sleep deprivation is as harmless as sleepless college nights, how can they make a hardened terrorist talk? We’re not talking about techniques to make someone feel “uncomfortable,” but rather to attempt to forcibly extract from them information they supposedly do not wish to give. Lack of sleep you get in college does not give you this.

The problem is that the harder you push, the less reliable the information becomes. Whereas, as I’ve shown with intelligence operatives who have gone on the record, the nicer we are to them, the more cooperative they are. Imagine that!

so……why go down this path? why support the use of torture?

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