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I really enjoyed this and am also attached to my own scars. Yes, they make me less “pretty,” but they remind me of where I’ve been. As an adjunct to this I sometimes enjoy teasing my wife by speculating that she will have hairy legs and armpits in heaven. The definition of a “perfect” body is certainly ambiguous. |
But Christ’s resurrected body has scars. Is this a defect or an indulgence? Jesus is one of the few people to have their mortal bodies raised up in the resurrection, hence the scars. Everyone who died prior to him got a new, resurrected body, presumably made from scratch (exactly how these bodies are made is a point of unmittigated speculation). Others who have died since then presumably will as well upon the Second Coming. We might assume during the Millennium when people are changed in the twinkling of an eye from death to resurrection that some of them will have some scars that make it into their resurrected bodies as well. |
Lovely, thoughtful post, David. I don’t want to take my scars into eternity. I can’t wait to see how cute I am with a perfected body. And how nice I am with all my personality defects removed. I do want to take this hard-won wisdom and experience. Should I decide to take the job as a Goddess, I think I will be able to better understand my millions of children. |
Does a belly button count as a scar? |
DKL, |
I’m so glad you are blogging now, DKL. The worst scar I have is from a c-section. It’s big and ugly and I’m very grateful for it. |
Anyone who has served a mission has probably had this discussion about Christ’s scars, and usually the determination seems to be that His scars are marks of his perfection, which is why they remain with him in his resurrected state. Does it not also make sense, then, that our emotional scars, if we are striving to return to live with our HF, are also marks that led us towards perfection? I cannot imagine the resurrected me not having these emotional scars, because they are so inextricably connected to who I am. Maybe some physical scars can also be viewed by the same prism, such as c-section scars, and organ donation scars. |
I know we all say we won’t have scars–but where does it say that? We all say it, but why do we think that? Maybe that is how we are defining “perfect”, but not actually what it means? |
As a somewhat interesting aside, Elder Dickson of the 70 recently spoke with our stake about how in the resurrection he would have his arm restored to him. To paraphrase his comment “…I won’t know what to do with it, but it’ll be glad to have it!” Mami: I think the concept of an absolute restoration comes from the idea in scriptures that even every hair will be restored to us. (Which makes me worry about my wife’s legs…) Anyway, the closest I can come in 3 seconds of looking for a modern citation on this is: “President Joseph F. Smith when speaking at the funeral of Sister Rachel Grant, the mother of President Heber J. Grant, had the following to say in relation to deformities in the resurrection: “‘Deformity will be removed; defects will be eliminated, and men and women shall attain to the perfection of their spirits, to the perfection that God designed in the beginning. It is his purpose that men and women, his children, born to become heirs of God, and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, shall be made perfect, physically as well as spiritually, through obedience to the law by which he has provided the means that perfection shall come to all his children. . . .’ “Salvation would be incomplete if individuals should arise in the resurrection with all the deformities, weaknesses, and imperfections that are found in so many of the human family in this mortal existence. We have every reason to believe that the spirits of mankind and all other creatures were in a perfect form in the spirit world. It would be an awful stretch of the imagination to think that the imperfections found so frequently in mortality were defects which were designed in the creation. Moreover, as the Lord made it clear in relation to the man who was born blind, it was not an immortal condition. . . . “It is the will of the Lord that in the restoration of all things there shall come perfection. The physical defects, some of which may have resulted before birth, are defects which are due to some physical and mortal condition and not an inheritance from the spirit world” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 4:185–87, 189). |
I think the idea that we are given weaknesses in order to make us stronger is well grounded in Mormonism. I know people who consider their physical limitations to be part of their character (see annegb on parallel thread), and our character is what continues. This is really good, DKL. Thanks. |
Sorry, I disagree with your premise that we will carry spiritual scars or remembrances with us in the next life. In Revelation we read that God will wipe all tears from their eyes. In the D&C we learn that God remembers our sins no more. So why should we? I believe Christ’s power to heal is absolute. If we do remember our sins and other trials, it will not be in order to weep over them in eternity, but to rejoice in Christ’s mercy. As for physical scars in the ressurection, I don’t think it’s worth time wondering about |
TB, You’ve raised some thought provoking points. It seems to be that one aspect of being exalted would be the ability to sympathize with those that are imperfect. What better way to enable this than by remembering our own mistakes, the consequences, and lessons learned? Is it possible to make use of the progress we’ve made in mortality without remembering our sins? Is it possible to appreciate the Atonement? As for the physical scars, I am not sure that our “perfected” bodies won’t look exactly how we want them to look. I would guess that there would be fewer restrictions on them and that perhaps our scars could come and go as we please. |
DKL, A firm-handed and clear-eyed view of our notions of identity and self-hood. Thanks. |
Random John - I don’t have a problem with retaining some form of memory. I’m sure I’ll remmeber my belly button (see above) even if I don’t have it anymore But a scar suggests an imperfection, something that couldn’t be made quite right when it first healed. And I am confident that everything will be made Quite Right in the ressurection, even things that could not be perfectly healed here mortality. I agree we need empathy in the celestial kingdom, and that memory helps with that. But our spirits will no longer be marred or pained with those remembered imperfections. No Scarring! |
But a scar suggests an imperfection, something that couldn’t be made quite right when it first healed. Isn’t a scar only an imperfect healing if I hold a static notion of existence? Life isn’t static. By definition, it’s dynamic — it entails change. A scar is evidence of prior changes. So, too, btw, are lots and lots of things that we tend not to think of as scars, imperfections, or other aspects (i.e., growth and “normal” physical maturity could be viewed as scarring of a newborn infant; grey hair could be viewed as scarring of whatever color might have preceded it; newborns could be viewed as scarred versions of earlier stages of fetal development). I need to think more about these things. There’s something quite fundamental going on that I haven’t yet got a clear view of. |
Herodotus, annegb, James, Susan M, Mark IV, greenfrog, Thanks for the kind words. Danithew, good question. I’ve seen some belly buttons, and I think that removing them would result in a less perfect body. Non Y Moose, I’m not convinced that Jesus holds scars because his mortal body was raised up in resurrection. Did he have scars on his forehead from the crown of thorns or on his back from being scourged? The resurrection process was miraculous enough to raise him from death, heal all his open wounds, and render him immortal, but not miraculous enough to avoid some scar tissue? cantinflas, I don’t think that Christ’s scars are marks of perfection, because that makes his perfection somehow contingent on them. He was perfect before he suffered the atonement and died on the cross. Besides, I did a post on why Jesus was crucified, and the resulting consensus was that it wasn’t theologically necessary for him to die that way anyway. mami, I agree with Matt W, that it’s an inference from the notion that every hear will be restored. This has a few odd consequences, though. For example, it means that resurrected women cannot have pierced ears. It also means that uncircumcised men will gain back their foreskins. Matt W, thanks for the clarification. |
TB: In the D&C we learn that God remembers our sins no more. So why should we? In addition to what arj has said (which I agree with), I think that the difference is that we learn from our sins, and God doesn’t. I think that wiping away our memory of them would undo our learning. I also agree with what greenfrog says about scars. It’s worth noting that most physical scars are only of aesthetic import. Physical scaring doesn’t generally pose any problem beyond not being pretty. |
I am looking for two quotes by Joseph F. Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith to the effeat that we will raise with our deformities but our bodies will be grdually restored to perfectppon over some period of time. |
Willis, did you ever find those quotes? I think that’s an interesting idea, that we progress in bodily perfection. |
Gorgeous post. |