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Good post. I think there’s greater religious fulfillment (meaning) in one’s feeling a part of the “myth” than in one’s sense of grounding myth in naturalism. In other words, I think part of our religious experience has to do with getting a handle on the abstract by sensing how our internal growth relates to myth. |
Fine post! You struck *several* cords in me with these succinct and to the very point points about what we are doing with God, ourslves, and our knowledge, which is so woefully lacking with understanding. We have made darn near everything about Mormonism into mere platitudes. This is one of the driving incentives for me personally to make sure I try and bring out the best in other traditions on my blog, and make sure I range far and wide with the best of other traditions that in our mere platitudinous ignorance, we Mormons apparently think are beneath our notice and time. You stimulate me with this post, stimulated me to grow ever larger, try ever harder to show the old Mormonism of Joseph Smith & Brigham Young, the one that stretches broad as eternity, and deep as infinity. A really stellar post! Thanks. Best, |
The problem with a “naturalistic theology” is in defining what on earth “naturalistic” means. Typically it’s opposed to Platonism or the “other worldly” realm inspired by Plato, whether it be the otherness of Augustine, Aquinas, or Descartes. But given that, it still leaves “natural” rather vague and perhaps unhelpful. And of course not everyone agrees. (Say B. H. Roberts) For those folks “naturalistic” simply means “including the natural as an essential and eternal aspect of us.” But in that case are we really that far removed from Aquinas? I don’t know. I’m not sure those using the term are either, despite that they might say they are against Augustine and Aquinas and maybe even Descartes. But pin down how and things get a tad bit more muddled. Once you also usher in the problem physics has with the “ultimate laws of physics” then things become even murkier. Especially with all that deeply disturbing anthropic reasoning being all the rage in theoretical physics at the moment. (Very disturbing to some – thus all the anti-String talk by some physicists this year) The problem with miracles is that the term is pretty meaningless unless you have a final law of physics to be able to adjudicate what is or isn’t “natural.” |
Great post – Kerry Shirts – I love the comment That is such a beautiful way of describing the early theological views and musings of that era. |
Amen and amen. I sometimes picture God as an old Native American medicine man/shaman/Old Testament Prophet type of figure, sitting up on top of an impossibly high mesa somewhere in the American Southwest. I’d like to see somebody paint that, and then get it published in the Ensign. |
Matt, nothing truer could be said than the fact that beauty is a mystery. I really enjoyed this. However, let me be clear that I would not mind a God who is a benevolent Santa Claus. If you are a fan of Calvin and Hobbes, you will see why, from the perspective of the imperfect one, it is always good to have someone to count on to give you stuff, even when you don’t deserve it. |
Clark – I agree ‘natural theology’ could be defined in a variety of ways; I’m being intentionally a bit fuzzy and riffing some off of people like William Paley and other nineteenth century evangelicals who were confident that science and reason could eventually understand God. Now, this is not terribly far off from Aquinas, but even he believed that revelatory knowledge ultimately trumped – and resisted – human understanding. You don’t see that in Paley. |
By the way, thanks for the kind words, all. |
Great post. I especially liked your vocabulary, the reaching for words to pin down that sense of holy otherness that we recognize but really don’t have the words to describe. |
Well, that’s what I get for reading in the Journal of Discourses. Those old talks and camp meeting type sacrament meeting lessons are unbeatable…… |
i’m with you matt. thanks for the reminder. |
Wonderful post, Matt, thank you. |
Thanks, both of you. |