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Nibley’s on the margins of LDS theological culture? I guess it all depends upon how one considers the culture. Probably this varies by region, but in the Provo region there always seems an odd push and pull between Nibley and McConkie, both of whom have their pet hobby horses. I think McConkie “theological culture” is passing but is FARMS “theological culture” rising? Or has it peaked as high as it is likely to? I don’t know. Personally I just think most Mormons don’t care about theology. |
Ah, Clark, while I agree that most Mormons don’t care about formal theology of the kind Blake Ostler writes, it’s been my experience that many do care, and passionately, about issues relevant to their own relationship with the Church, and questions about the nature of the church itself speak to this. Is the church as an institution beyond religious criticism? It’s this more practical and everyday engagement with religious issues that I mean by the term ‘theological culture.’ I mentioned – and I think this is not merely my own experience – Mormons I know urging each other to deal with some complaint through the mantra of “It’s the person, not the church.” What inspired this post was recognizing how another tradition deals with this problem. |
What happened to the polygamy.byu.edu pages? They now seem to redirect to ldsfaq.byu.edu … Did anyone else notice this? |
My goodness, Matt. I can’t believe I missed this post. This is great. I think that you’ve hit the nail on the head about Mormon’s attachment to the notion that history demonstrates the truth of Mormonism. It even extends back to the notion of divine origins of the American government — which is shocking. If God inspired the US Constitution, then he’s fairly ineffective and something of a moron to boot. But Mormons ignore the fact that nobody pays the least bit of attention to the constitution (not judges, not executives, not legislators), and pretend that it’s God’s gift to the world. But attack the constitution in front of Mormons and you may as well attack Joseph Smith. God may have inspired the Articles of Confederation, but the Constitution? Not a chance! Anyway, Brigham Young is probably the only exception to the rule. He seems to be the punching bag of Mormon History. It’s somehow OK to say all kinds of bad things about him, and people may disagree but they aren’t so likely to get defensive. |
I see big words. |
Duh, I should’ve read under the LDS Headlines on the BCC site … |
Salt Lake Tribune reports former BYU polygamy site back on internet at |
Dave – Brigham Young is an interesting figure, isn’t he? Perhaps it’s something about him being the ultimate pragmatic feet-on-the-ground guy in Mormon history that allows him to be the exception that proves the rule. He can be the wacky prophet we can shake our heads at, chortle, and say, “Oh, that Brigham,” because, as a friend of mine said, “God didn’t need him for his prophetic skills.” So it’s safe for him to say outrageous things about how he hoped the South and the North would kill each other off because he was plainspoken and homespun and all of that – which is part of his appeal. He’s like Andy Rooney. Chino – nice example. I notice the very clear non-affiliated disclaimer. Annegb, seriously, that was the funniest thing I’ve read all day. |
Huh? |
:grin: I chose to believe that you were making a substantive reference related to my post, rather than using it as a soapbox to propagate unrelated material. I wasn’t wrong, was I? |
Oh, that. You were as wrong as I was rude. |
iow, you were as wrong to give me the benefit of the doubt as I was rude to exploit your post as my soapbox. otoh, the removal of the new polygamy.byu.edu pages seemed (to me) to demonstrate how the sort of tensions you describe in your post tend to get expressed in practice, and brought me back to the question of, whereas the evangelical historians understand their work as liberation of their tradition, what does one liberate when the history IS the tradition? |
CB – sorry, didn’t see this until now. I think that Mormons can explore and think critically about the way we _use_ our sacred history. The narrative of the Restoration we tell is not the same that was told in 1887, which was not the same told in 1837, and so on. (Kathleen Flake has written some perceptive things about this) What has prompted the changes in the stories we tell each other? What does this tell us about who we want to be? Just as the evangelical historians compare themselves to an ideal theology, we compare ourselves to the ideals we set up in our own pasts. |
A fascinating post, Matt. I especially liked the bit about how the EV historians are all telling the same story. That was brilliant, and right on. Did you make that up? |
Thanks, Chris. I’d refer to you the work of Maxie Birch and Leonard Sweet. |
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