Any Mormon worth his salt ought to recognize immediately that authorized Church videos are ALWAYS distributed from a big stack in the clerk’s office, handed out during Sunday School, Elders Quorum and Relief Society. Never on parked car windshields or shopping malls (unless it be in either Deseret Book or cheesy Christian-fundo-cartoon-kiosk which is only semi-approved).

As for me and my house, we shall put our trust in Correlation.

Seth: I had that thought too. I think a lot of people would. That’s just not the way the Church does things. But that they would even try it upsets me. Those who intend to deceive have still sinned, even if their intended victims don’t fall for it.

I’d download it just to burn it and smash it but why give them the hits? Or waste my time and resources. Bah. :P

Face it, they’re just out to bring us to a knowledge of “the truth”, and they know we’ll thank them for it once we’ve come to our senses.

Jonathan
I am having a hard time understanding what your point is. Can you clarify a little bit, or explain your last point in another way so I can comment. Thanks!

I think he means “grapes taste better than figs.”

To learn about Math – seek out someone that is expert and successful at math. Do not seek out someone that is a failure at math or is against or anti to math. If someone would learn about LDS they should seek out someone that is expert and successful LDS and not someone that has failed at being LDS and is against LDS.

Note also that thorns and thistles are intended to inflect pain and discomfort. Why should one try to get anything from someone that intends to inflect pain and discomfort. By this I understand that you should not learn about LDS or anything from someone that is trying to inflict judgmental pain concerning the subject.

Note that one of the titles given Satan is the accuser and one of the titles given Christ is the advocate. Why would anyone that believes in Jesus Christ reject the concept of Christ like role of advocate and take upon them self the satanic role of accuser?

jonathan m

Although their efforts are likely misguided, I don’t understand the reaction. What does it matter that they put their words onto a DVD and distributed it? Why be bothered to be angry about it? I have much better things at which to be angry.

Lpg, it’s not the fact that they put this thing on disk that is the problem, it’s the fact that they tried to disguise it as a church publication, or at lease something released by a member. It was a dishonest approach. That is the heart of the matter for me. They can make all the anti stuff they want and hand it out for free, but at least be honest about what you are trying to do.

Ian – I watched it and don’t see how it’s disguised to come from the church. I think it’s pretty obviously not from the church. It doesn’t look anything like most of the official church publications. We know who produced it.

Jonathan M said if you want to know about mormonism to ask a mormon. I have found very few mormons who really know what they believe. They don’t bother to research the church’s history or even admit all the changes (if they even know about them) made in the BOM (over three thousand). The members are afraid to read anything except lds approved material. If mormonism is true, then a serious research effort will only prove what they believe.

There must be some who are questioning the doctrine because appx 100,000 mormons are having their names removed from the church membership each year, and there are many others who just drift away.

For those of you who believe that mormon’s would never do to other religions what these people have done, then why do they send out thousands of missionaries each year?

[...] post at Millennial Star; Jeff Lindsay’s post at Mormanity; and, PDOE’s post at Mormon Mentality; I simply add one more voice in opposition to this type of bigoted anti-Mormon behavior by some of [...]

No, lousy question. Disingenuous question. Our missionaries go out to bring people more truth. We seek to add to their faith. And we do it openly; our missionaries wear name tags that proclaim in large letters that they are from the “Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.” (emphasis from the actual tags)

I have gone out with the the missionaries many times to teach. We teach that “truth was lost” not “your leaders are child-abusing liars.” We teach investigators about what we believe. We do not teach them about their church– how could we? We ask them to pray and to learn for themselves whether our church is true.

Missionaries are in no way comparable to these Anti-Mormon thieves. Yes I call them thieves for they seek to take away and do so by stealth and deception.

And Chanzie, I would like to know just what you mean by “I have found very few mormons who really know what they believe.” That statement is presumptuous and offensive. Just how do YOU, who are evidently not LDS, define what we believe? And who are you to say what we believe? I am Mormon. I have been Mormon all my life. My family has been Mormon through six generations, including polygamy. More importantly, I have knelt down and asked God myself about the Book of Mormon. I know from a source no pundit, professor or scientist on earth can match about the truth of the Gospel. I know what I believe and you have absolutely no right to claim otherwise.

PDOE, Why are you so hostile and defensive? Why are you so sure I’m insincere about stating that many mormon’s do not know what they really believe?

Just because you have been a mormon all your life is no guarantee that you know all the history and doctrine of the LDS church. It’s quite possible you believe everything you have been taught. Perhaps you have never delved into any of the darker side of your church’s history. Perhaps you are afraid to find that there are some very dark places in the life of Joseph Smith.

And by the way, you may know what you believe, and it may not all be truth. That is a possibility for all of us.

And why do you assume that I’m not a mormon? And why are you so absolutely positive that the “truth” was lost? This is just what you have been taught.

Chanzie

There is one other thing, too, Chanzie. Mormons would consider it the worst of bad manners to send out missionaries and/or proselyte, say, during the Pope’s visit. We wouldn’t send out CD’s stating why the Pope is not a true religious leader prior to his appearance at a Catholic service. This whole deal is bad manners at the least.

Chanzie- Now i understand why you treat us that way because you have a distorted view of our basic beliefs.
I can sense that you belong to a “born again ” denomination who profess that faith alone is enough for us to be saved and that good works has no bearing in our salvation.I can also sense that you believe the doctrine that “Once Saved Always Saved”(remember Lucifer was already in heaven but was cast out because of rebellion)
That is the trouble with some bible bashing “born again pastors” because after reading a few verse from the bible they would interpret the way they wanted it to without considering other scriptural references.The episle of James chapter 2 verses 14 to 26 clearly emphasize that faith without works is an imperfect faith and is dead.Truly,the atoning sacrifice of our lord Jesus Christ cleanses us from our sins but it does’nt end there because we are commanded to become fruitful servants of the Lord otherwise we will be cast into the lake of fire (read Parable of the Wheat and the Tare).The book of revelations(Chapter 20:12-15) also emphasized the we will be judged according to our works.The Lord Jesus Christ frequently used the farmers,laborers or workers in his parables just to emphasize that there are only two kinds of workers and that is the workers of Satan(idle ones included) and workers of God.The doctrine of salvation by faith alone was a product of their mis-interpretion of Ephesians 2:8-10,Paul only emphasize that “works alone ” will not save us but it is accompanied by faith and grace of God.Take note of verse 10 which i quote”10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them”…..the phrase is “we should walk in them” and not we may opt to walk in them. Remember that Jesus Christ is not only our Savior but he is also our Master.We are no longer bound by the Law of Moses but now under the Law of Christ.In the book of James we read “23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

26If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world”.

There are quite a number of scriptural references that runs counter to the doctrine of these “born again” people
and i’ve seen a lot of debates between born again pastor versus other denominations who believes in good works,non of these born again pastors were able to defend their faith and the verses that they have shown crumbled when compared with the other verses of the scriptures which they disregarded or failed to consider.

With these, i am also beginning to feel inclined not to call these people christians because they preach a false doctrine.If i were a Catholic,i rather remain to be one because at least they believe in good works and has a claim that they hold the keys to the Kingdom of God (or Priesthood authority)thru the principle of Apostolic succession.
I remember one intelligent catholic laity who spoke before an LDS congregation which i quote” You Mormons do not know the strength of the position of your Church,for me there are only two tenable Churches in the world today
and that is the Catholic Church and the Mormon Church; If the Catholic Church is true then all other christian churches are false but if they are wrong then such a restoration is needed; Also,if the Catholic Church is wrong then the Protestants(including those who branched out from them) has no place to go because you cannot get a good branch from a dead tree”.

I hope this will help you understand our sentiments….

Chanzie: I grew up in a small mormon community and at that time mormon’s were very clear that they were not Christian’s.

Impossible. This “Mormons are Christian” thing isn’t some recent PR invention. Mormonism has never conceived of itself as anything other than a Christian church.

Chanzie: I deeply resent you portraying yourselves as Christians.

No serious argument can be based on the fact that you deeply resent something.

The dispute about the role of grace alone vs. grace + works has been raging for centuries. Thanks to what Paul said and what James said, Christians of all denominations have been debating this something approaching an eternity.

Furthermore, the argument about whether we require the atonement to expiate original sin or just for our own transgressions has been a point of contention for hundreds of years. It’s at the heart of the dispute over whether or not one baptizes babies: If you believe in original sin, then the infant needs baptism. If baptism is for remission of one’s own sins, then the infant does not need baptism. This is a pretty mainstream dispute, and the Mormon position is not a terribly unusual one.

Don’t pretend that (a) these issues are a dividing line for determining who is and isn’t Christian, and (b) that a few quotations from the Bible can lay these issues to rest.

If you don’t believe in our Mormon prophets, then you’ll have to concede that God doesn’t really care what side of the dispute we take up, because if he really cared, he’d have given us a clearer indication of the correct point of view. But if you keep up your current activities, you’ll likely find yourself damned for abusing the word of God to justify your attempts to Lord your morality over others.

Speak for yourself, annegb ;)

Chanzie

I respect you and your right to believe as you choose.

This is as much of a lie as are the defamatory DVD’s your groups promulgate.