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DKL, Your top six are all great, but on my list they would come just after “8, 5, 3, and 9.” |
my favorite is Mahler’s 3rd. Then I’d agree with you on Brahms 1 and 4. and then Sibelius something… |
Haydn’s 94th |
I used to love B’s 9th, that is until I saw A Clockwork Orange. Now, it just makes me see images of people being beaten with sticks. |
I’ve always been more of a Romantic myself. You know… Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky… Russians in particular. I like Beethoven’s 9th. But I can’t claim very wide exposure to his work. |
R. Gary, you’re in good company. There are plenty of people who actually do think that Beethoven’s symphonies are best. cchrissyy, I don’t know Mahler’s 3rd. I know his 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 9th. The versions I have of those are Bernstein w/NYP for the 1st, Rattle w/Birmingham for the 2nd, Bernstein with Vienna for the 5th, and Thomas with SF for the 9th, all of which I’m highly satisfied with, especially Bernstein and Thomas. What’s a decent version of the Mahler’s 3rd? Keri, those are all good choices. Haydn’s 94 is spectacular. I don’t know Holst’s Planets. I’ve never considered English composers to be my cup of tea. Based or your recommendation, I’ll have to check it out. Can you recommend a good recording? Ronan, I see the same images when I listen to Berlioz. |
Seth R, Rachmaninoff is very good. Of course, his 2nd Piano Concerto (which is really more like a short symphony with a piano) is very good. The Graffman/Bernstein w/NYP version is my favorite. I also have the Ashkenazy/Previn w/LSO; it’s very good — Ashkenazy has a nice sonorous bass, but is too muddled overall for my taste. I also have the more recent Andsnes/Pappano with Berlin, which is very good. Andsnes’s playing is crystal clear, almost to the point of being more appropriate for Mozart’s piano concertos than Rachmaninoff’s heavier fair. Graffman strikes the right balance, I think. It remains my favorite. I have Janson’s rendition of Rachmoninoff’s 3rd symphony with the St. Petersburg Philharmonic, and it is very good. Once I get into the 20th century, my tastes go all haywire. Bartok’s string quartets; Stravinsky’s Firebird, Petrushka, and Rite of Spring; or Copland’s Billy the Kid Suite — all on the conservative side. Boulez’s piano concertos, Shoenberg’s atonal miniatures, and Babbit’s Whirled Series on the wacky side. I’ve never gone in much for Tchakovsky. Though I do own the obligatory copy of the Nutcracker Suite and the Swan Lake Suite (Bernstein w/NYP). I haven’t listened to him for years. I’ll have to revisit some of his stuff. Where would you recommend that I start? Regarding the Russians, for a time I was listening to Khachaturian quite a lot, and I’m a big fan of Prokofiev. I’ve talked about Rachmaninoff above. But I’ve got to admit that my exposure to the Russians overall has been limitted. |
Doesn’t anyone object to my exclusion of Dvorak’s symphonies from the top six? And what does everyone think of my Beethoven-Hen rule? |
I’ve always been partial to 8-6-7-5-3-0-9, in that order. |
LOL, me too. I keep wanting to like his work a lot more than I actually like it. I’d have put Dvorak’s New World Symphony in my top 6. Something about the oboe line reminds me of driving through the deserts of the American Southwest before dawn. I’d probably include Beethoven’s 5th and 7th in my top ten, too. Probably not the 9th, though that would certainly make my top 10. |
I’m surprised by the lack of enthusiasm for all three of Mozart’s last symphonies. They were, altogether, written in less than 2 and half months, and they’re as different from each other as any three symphonies can be while still maintaining the consistent sound of a single author. greenfrog, Dvorak’s 9th and 7th are both contenders. In the end, Brahms wins out. Brian Duffin, I’m glad we agree that the eighth is the best. That’s an interesting order of preference. What do you like about them, and which recordings are you partial to? And what do you mean by the zero symphony? |
DKL (11), |
LOL. That’s like the worse song ever. I never considered it in connection to symphony preferences. It actually works for Bruckner, since he has symphonies numbered #0 thru #9. Though it’s an odd order. I’d start with 4, and I’d have to think pretty hard about the preferences of the rest, considering all the different versions. |
I like Beethoven’s music, in general. I’m very partial to the second movement of Beethoven’s Piano Sonata #8. |
DKL, I’m not even halfway cultured enough to have sampled multiple recordings of the same composer. Much as I’d like to wow and dazzle, I’ll have to bow out here. I have: -an excerpts CD of Swan Lake – Eugene Ormandy, Philadelphia Orchestra I like all of these recordings. I was raised on some of them and quietly acquired a couple when I left for college. Though, of course, I don’t have a lot of basis for comparison. I’m too cheap to buy additional recordings. To be honest, my real musical interest is in movie soundtracks. My current favorite composer is Elliot Goldenthal – he’s putting out some of the most stirring and innovative stuff in Hollywood right now. In particular, his score for that second-rate CG movie “Final Fantasy” was probably the best soundtrack released that year. |
Seth R, that Bernstein performance of Rhapsody in Blue with the Columbia Symphony (which was basically the LA Philharmonic) made in 1959 is the definitive recording of Rhapsody in Blue. Bernstein’s 1978 recording with the LA Philharmonic is a better recording, but the performance just doesn’t match up. You’ve got a lot of Rachmaninoff. I’ve only got the standards. I’ve never heard that Messiah. I’ve got Pearlman’s Boston Baroque version, which is one of the more vigorous and cheerful renditions. It’s customary to disparage the music from Fantasia for a variety of reasons, some better than others. But I, for one, think that it’s a spectacular sampling of classical music that is beautifully performed. In my opinion, the nay-sayers are just pretentious snobs who don’t like to think that cretans like us like can enjoy their music, too. I love movie soundtracks, too. Branaugh’s Henry V is very good, as is his Much Ado about Nothing. And I love the soundtracks from Singles Ward and The RM. |
Well, I’ve got Dvorak’s New World Symphony and Debussy’s La Mare (spell?). Grew up on those too. And Grieg’s Peer Gynt Suite. But couldn’t say what recording it was. As far as Rachmaninoff, he really spoke to me as a moody and emotional teenager and I’ve gone for his stuff ever since. I read “War and Peace” during that period as well. I must have close to 100 soundtracks though. |
DKL, I’m a little surprised that The Verve’s “Bittersweet Symphony” didn’t make your list. Doesn’t that rival any of your top six? |
Tagore, I had to look that one up on the iTunes Music Store. ROTFLMAO. That’s positively awful. Where’d you find that? There’s even a cover by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra — a perfectly respectable orchestra. That’s too much. |
I know Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony has been played so often and is so well known, but sometimes I think that because we hear it so much we tend to not see its greatness. I find Beethoven’s Fifth to be his best. As for Mozart’s last three, I agree with DKL, they are truly treasures, especially the 41st. |
another of Beethoven’s priceless pieces is his “Emperor” concerto, Piano Concerto #5. |
“What’s a decent version of the Mahler’s 3rd?” I have London, my husband has Cincinnati. Glancing at Amazon, I see San Fransisco did one too. But I think if I put my first attachments aside, I’m partial to Cincinnati. |
DKL: You will have to ask Jenny about my music choices… 867-5309 :-) Call her! |
Dan, all of Beethoven’s Piano Concertos are terrific. I’ve always listened to the Perahia version with Haitink leading the Concertgebouw. Recently, I’ve taken to Aimard’s version with Harnoncourt leading the Chamber Orchestra of Europe, which is different, but I like it quite a lot because of it’s forthright vigor. Compared to it, I think the Perahia version may be a bit on the soft-side. I can’t decide which one I like better, but Perahia’s version definitely sounds the way I expect it to. Mozart’s concertos from 18-27, plus the double piano concerto, are all amazing. Mozart had quite a run with those ones. Mozart’s sweep from 21 to 27 are my favorite piano concertos of all. On the other hand, I don’t much care for Brahms’ piano concertos. I love Brahms (as evidenced by my symphony choices), but his piano concertos, with all the pounding and pounding and pounding, constitute something close to an effective argument for atonality. Brahms violin concerto is, however, amazing. The Perlman version recorded with Giulini in Chicago in 72 brings out everything that is good about Brahms — the raw finality of each successive note threatens to tear the entire peace to bits, and at times it seems that it’s all the conductor can do to keep the melodies woven together long enough to finish the movement. |
Brian D, I don’t need to call her. Someone has already done all the work for us. The fruits of their labor can be found at this web site. |
cchrissy thanks for the tip. I’ll definitely check that out. |
cchrissy, I went ahead and ordered Bernstein’s Mahler 3, the 1985 live version with New York on DG. It just arrived this morning. I’ll be listening to it over the weekend. |
Alas, I see that we will not be able to be friends, DKL. You’re so off the mark that redemption appears nearly impossible. You remind me of a student who identified “Hotel California” as the greatest rock song ever–and of course I docked her grade for her inaccuracy. (If you do not acknowledge “Layla” as being the greatest piece–yea, even beyond “Stairway to Heaven”–then you’re more lost than I had thought.) |
Oh, Margaret, the greatness of Mozart’s Requiem is tainted by Sussmayer’s inept (near) parody. I do listen to it frequently, though. Karajan’s 1987 version with VPO on DG is particularly clean and crisp. Harnoncourt’s recent recording is more intense but less expansive. Barenboim’s version with Orchestre de Paris that leads with Kathleen Battle reviewed well and sounded promising enough to prompt me to buy it, but it is pretty thin and pale in my opinion. Which versions do you like? And you may do aerobics to Mozart #40 and #41, but not recordings by Szell or Bernstein or Tintner or Bohm. Heck, someone even made Beethoven’s 5th into a disco song. But the post is intended to be aimed at symphonies in particular. In the comments we’ve strayed to piano concertos and other orchestral works. I’ll have to do a post on my favorite pieces of sacred music (or, as I like to call that category, Satan’s Soundtrack, or Music from the Whore of Babylon). As far as the best rock songs, I agree that Hotel California doesn’t cut it. Layla is up there, as is Cocaine. But I like Tales of Brave Ulysses better than either. I can’t say that there’s a best rock song ever, but I think there is a category of the best rock songs. In addition to the ones that you mention, I include among these: either “Isn’t it a Pity” or “Give Me Love” (or both) by George Harrison That’s just off the top of my head, so there are likely some glaring omissions, but you get the idea. I’ll think about taking up the kazoo, but the problem I have with it is that you have to keep replacing the wax paper. |
Oh damn! You were talking about SYMPHONIES? You mean there’s a difference? |
I do mention Tales of Brave Ulysses in the paragraph preceding the list — classic Cream from one of the great albums in rock history. And: You don’t like the Stones?!?! Who’s the greater sinner here? I agree with you about the Beatles. They justify an entire list unto themselves. Funny you mention a trampoline. We just got one. I’m going to try listening to Beethoven’s 5th on it. I suspect the Magic Flute overture will render good service on the trampoline as well. |
DKL, I think the Lord himself answered that question (“greater sinner”) when he suggested that he who is without sin should cast out the stones–or words to that effect. Amazing prophecy. The way God knows the future and weaves our lives to fit His plan is really astounding. |
i am like addict on trampolines, they are very nice addition to you gaming stuffs**; |