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Thanks for posting on this. I had similar thoughts, although they were not so well elucidated. I also agree with you–I don’t think President Faust was discussing epistemology so much as offering practical advice on living in today’s world. |
I was reminded that if in doubt, make sure to call President Monson. You’ll likely end up as the subject of one of his talks. All this advice about taking your problems to your local leaders is for losers. |
ARJ, Regarding Monson, I wonder if the General Authorities sometimes miss the more intimate and direct scope of influence they had as Stake Presidents and Bishops. Perhaps they miss the occasional heart-to-hearts with real members…. But to address DKL’s point, Going Nibley on us aren’t you DKL? He always ragged on the comodification of our education process. Likening the modern higher education system to priestcraft-use of higher matters to get gain and deceive. In one interview, he lamented “it’s all business and law now.” I agree with a lot of your statement. I think that the pursuit of knowledge should be first and foremost a pursuit of God, and only secondarily a pursuit of survival. But isn’t that a view that I can afford with my sheltered life in a well-to-do Mormon family? The sheer need that many people have to survive from day-to-day can often seem to trump such concerns and make Faust’s more pragmatic take more sensible. |
General Conference advice about education is almost always pragmatic and tied to the ability to make money. Which makes my Ph.D. completely worthless! ARJ, I would nuance your comment a bit: calling TSM would likely make you a cast member in a story that has as its real subject President Monson. |
Seth R, it’s more accurate to say of Nibley that he was going Bertrand Russell on us. Nibley was far too generous in any case. By the time Russell wrote “‘Useless’ Knowledge” (1931), he’d already written off the American education system as given over entirely to technical skills. The only education system he hated more was the Soviet Union’s. But if you think that I’m saying that Faust’s view isn’t sensible, then you didn’t read far enough into my post. |
Costanza: TSM would likely make you a cast member in a story that has as its real subject President Monson. Are you saying that Thomas Monson’s stories are always all about him? My goodness. |
I know it’s shocking. Here’s another obscure fact–you probably don’t know this but Monson was the bishop of a ward when he was 22 and the ward was full of widows. Please don’t spread this around because I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want anybody to know about it. |
Sorry to intrude (female who didn’t attend Priesthood session) But I want to comment on the “comodification of our education process.” This seems to be a popular subject these days. The book “A Thomas Jefferson Education” by Oliver VanDemille, talks about the same idea, that our children aren’t being educated to be leaders, but to compete in the workplace, a much lower goal. There seems to be a huge push, at least among other young mothers I know, to this new “classical education.” I am one of many mothers who is turning to homeschooling to accomplish a goal the public schools have never had: truly educating my children. Anyway, I think it is an important discussion to have, especially with the church’s emphasis on taking our education with us through the veil and using our education to accomplish God’s work, our life’s mission. It is a little disappointing for me to hear a discussion of education come down to economic necessity. But, as the church grows internationally, I can see why they do that. So many people in third-world poverty. There is a great economic divide. |
No intrusion at all, Jessawhy. You’ll be able to listen to the audio of the conference soon enough, and you can read Faust’s in the Ensign next to all the other ones. In the meantime, don’t feel inhibited about jumping into the fray right here. I agree with you about a classical education. Useless knowledge is the pinnacle of human understanding. Technical skills are things you mix and match to make ends meet. Of course, depending on your economic condition, you may need to make ends meet pretty urgently. In that case, you can put off reaching the pinnacle of human understanding until you’ve got a full belly, a roof over your head, and shoes on your children’s feet. |
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