Comments on: The abdication of Warren Jeffs http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:49:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jamie Trwth http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-68820 Jamie Trwth Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:45:59 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-68820 If you follow the links from #19 you will find that the released documents were of an affidavit taken while Jeffs was in <i>Purgatory</i> Correctional Facility. This story just keeps getting weirder and stranger by the day. If you follow the links from #19 you will find that the released documents were of an affidavit taken while Jeffs was in Purgatory Correctional Facility.

This story just keeps getting weirder and stranger by the day.

]]> By: annegb http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-68813 annegb Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:39:48 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-68813 This is of interest to me because the judge I'm investigating is refusing to let me view the video tapes of his sentencings. James Shumate, the judge in this case, was my lawyer eons ago when he first got out of law school. He did my will. He got his wife to witness it and was all official and I thought he was just so sweet. I've always liked him and if he got criticized, he didn't deserve it. This is of interest to me because the judge I’m investigating is refusing to let me view the video tapes of his sentencings.

James Shumate, the judge in this case, was my lawyer eons ago when he first got out of law school. He did my will. He got his wife to witness it and was all official and I thought he was just so sweet. I’ve always liked him and if he got criticized, he didn’t deserve it.

]]> By: Juvenile Instructor » That Which is Unnatural: Jeffs Confesses Inappropriate Behavior with Sister and Daughter http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-68792 Juvenile Instructor » That Which is Unnatural: Jeffs Confesses Inappropriate Behavior with Sister and Daughter Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:38:04 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-68792 [...] Rumors have floated around since earlier this year that Warren Jeffs had renounced his role as Prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and that he had not held the FLDS priesthood since he was twenty years old. Court documents containing these allegations had been sealed so as not to influence jurors in his recent trial, but the judge recently reversed this decision and released the documents. Jeffs recanted these confessions in February of this year. [...] [...] Rumors have floated around since earlier this year that Warren Jeffs had renounced his role as Prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and that he had not held the FLDS priesthood since he was twenty years old. Court documents containing these allegations had been sealed so as not to influence jurors in his recent trial, but the judge recently reversed this decision and released the documents. Jeffs recanted these confessions in February of this year. [...]

]]> By: That Which is Unnatural: Jeffs Confesses Incest « Juvenile Instructor http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67310 That Which is Unnatural: Jeffs Confesses Incest « Juvenile Instructor Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:21:04 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-67310 [...] Wednesday October 31st 2007, 1:11 pm Filed under: David Grua, Fundamentalism Rumors have floated around since January that Warren Jeffs had renounced his role as Prophet of the [...] [...] Wednesday October 31st 2007, 1:11 pm Filed under: David Grua, Fundamentalism Rumors have floated around since January that Warren Jeffs had renounced his role as Prophet of the [...]

]]> By: Lynn http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-56619 Lynn Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:19:16 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-56619 so where is the proof? How does anyone know this is true?? The media dosen't tell the truth. so where is the proof? How does anyone know this is true?? The media dosen’t tell the truth.

]]> By: annegb http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-18159 annegb Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:18:34 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-18159 Jeffs' slipping the note to Judge Shumate wasn't that big a news here in southern Utah. Or maybe I missed that party. The judge is really mad at the local paper, feeling they've created problems for him by sensationalizing the whole thing. Which I thought was kind of funny, the TV stations were reporting that the Daily News had sensationalized the story. I feel that Jeffs may be facing that man in the mirror and is sincere in repudiating himself. That's got to be painful. On the other hand, he is a very rich and powerful man, still. It seems like he could have made a public announcement in a more effective way than slipping the judge a note. It's probably not the last we've seen of this circus. Jeffs’ slipping the note to Judge Shumate wasn’t that big a news here in southern Utah. Or maybe I missed that party. The judge is really mad at the local paper, feeling they’ve created problems for him by sensationalizing the whole thing. Which I thought was kind of funny, the TV stations were reporting that the Daily News had sensationalized the story.

I feel that Jeffs may be facing that man in the mirror and is sincere in repudiating himself. That’s got to be painful.

On the other hand, he is a very rich and powerful man, still. It seems like he could have made a public announcement in a more effective way than slipping the judge a note.

It’s probably not the last we’ve seen of this circus.

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-17436 a random John Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:02:23 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-17436 Ardis, Please re-read the first sentence of my response. I agree with you about the spying part. Ardis,

Please re-read the first sentence of my response. I agree with you about the spying part.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-17427 Ardis Parshall Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:46:58 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-17427 arJ -- Until and unless his message, whatever it is, is made public through his own will (either thru a personal statement in court or some other public venue, or by a spokesman he chooses, thru the same public venue), then it's dirty, underhanded, espionage. You can't pretend that the Des News is altruistically doing Jeffs a favor by revealing his note because the judge wouldn't? If the man weren't Jeffs, or if the subject matter of his note were defense strategy, or instructions for selling a house, or a letter of encouragement to a child, you would perhaps more easily understand why I object, and why I wish nothing even remotely connected to the church were so gleefully playing spy. arJ — Until and unless his message, whatever it is, is made public through his own will (either thru a personal statement in court or some other public venue, or by a spokesman he chooses, thru the same public venue), then it’s dirty, underhanded, espionage. You can’t pretend that the Des News is altruistically doing Jeffs a favor by revealing his note because the judge wouldn’t? If the man weren’t Jeffs, or if the subject matter of his note were defense strategy, or instructions for selling a house, or a letter of encouragement to a child, you would perhaps more easily understand why I object, and why I wish nothing even remotely connected to the church were so gleefully playing spy.

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-17324 a random John Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:29:53 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-17324 Paula, Yes, apparently they got a photo of the back of the sheet and then flipped it. Ardis, I agree that the tactics being used here are a bit unseemly. But I think that you exaggerate are perhaps mischaracterize the reaction and the story. He wasn't "revealed" as a fraud so much as he seems to be attempting to admit that he is one. It isn't clear if this is a sincere admission or if it some sort of weird legal maneuver. In any case I don't think that Mormons (especially those in Utah) view him as a rival prophet so much as a person that creates a negative perception of the state. I think there are obvious reasons beyond rivalry to explain why some might view this as good news. Paula,

Yes, apparently they got a photo of the back of the sheet and then flipped it.

Ardis,

I agree that the tactics being used here are a bit unseemly. But I think that you exaggerate are perhaps mischaracterize the reaction and the story. He wasn’t “revealed” as a fraud so much as he seems to be attempting to admit that he is one. It isn’t clear if this is a sincere admission or if it some sort of weird legal maneuver. In any case I don’t think that Mormons (especially those in Utah) view him as a rival prophet so much as a person that creates a negative perception of the state. I think there are obvious reasons beyond rivalry to explain why some might view this as good news.

]]> By: Paula http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm/comment-page-1#comment-17296 Paula Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:58:06 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/04/06/the-abdication-of-warren-jeffs.htm#comment-17296 I am confused by the Deseret News story-- it says in the graphic at the bottom of the page that they "flopped" the image, so that the text would read from left to right. I can believe that they might be able to make out the text in a high resolution photo taken from across the room-- but that seems to imply that they also were reading it through the paper-- or am I just hopelessly confused? And this seems to me that it might cause a mistrial-- but I don't know much about that. I am confused by the Deseret News story– it says in the graphic at the bottom of the page that they “flopped” the image, so that the text would read from left to right. I can believe that they might be able to make out the text in a high resolution photo taken from across the room– but that seems to imply that they also were reading it through the paper– or am I just hopelessly confused? And this seems to me that it might cause a mistrial– but I don’t know much about that.

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