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Good recap, Margaret. |
Did anyone else notice that they used a photo of a Navajo hogan during the polygamy segment? I know it is a small thing, but it just doesn’t make sense. Overall it just seemed patchy. Little glimpses without a completely cohesive narrative. Something else that didn’t ring true were the caption-label thingy’s, “Professor”, “Poet”, or “Anthropologist.” In most cases, nothing that described the individuals authority to speak on the subject. In some cases this isn’t even complete on the website. Seems Like Ken Verdoia got more camera time than anyone but this is all it says on the PBS.org site is
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Great review. I really enjoyed the production overall. Between it and the South Park episode on Mormons, I feel like there’s enough easy, non-Mormon source material to use to introduce people to Mormonism. Hopefully the second day is just as good. Things that occurred to me: Daniel Peterson is the John Madden of Mormon studies. Sarah Barringer Gordon seems pretty intense, too. Givens, as you mention, did have a very personal tone. Truman Madsen always speaks in a way that says, “Don’t you dare interrupt me.” And I think they picked a surprisingly normal looking family to represent polygamy. |
I had to wonder- Does Alan Bloom have permanent classical music in the background wherever he goes, like the Peanuts character with the rain cloud? |
The thing that disturbed me the most was the reference to Joseph as the Alpha and the Omega. I think it would be very misleading to the average evangelical who is aware (as are we) that “The Alpha and the Omega” is a term that refers directly to Christ. |
And another thing. The General Authorities who spoke, used (naturally) a very Mormon voice, familiar to anyone who has watched General Conference. The contrast to the intellectual voice and timbre used by the other interviewees (read DKL’s comment). I just wonder how that contrast plays in Peoria. |
I was only able to catch the last hour of this documentary last night, but I thought I’d add a thought or two to this thread. Having worked in reality and documentary television for the last half decade or so I’m sensitive to why and how certain interview bites and interview subjects are used. I’m familiar with the great many editing tricks at the disposal of documentary filmmakers, and this experience has given me a pretty good eye for manipulation and things taken out of context. The hour or so I saw of it seemed very responsibly done. One of the few things that seemed manipulative to me was the use of a shot of one of the polygamist wives saying nothing and looking really sad in her interview seat. Odds are that this footage was shot while lights were being set up, or audio was being checked, or maybe even room tone was being recorded, and the subject waited patiently and thoughtfully. As the film went on she seemed fairly content being in a polygamist relationship. The other thing that seemed a bit manipulative to me was the use of an Elder Oaks statement to tease the next episode. When he said something to the effect of, “critiquing your leaders is wrong, even if they are wrong.” To me this seemed a bit taken out of context, but I could easily be in error. I think these are both really minor issues given the amount of things that can be done in an editing bay to alter and spin things. A lot of reviewers have commented on the “talking heads” feel of the piece. This is actually a sign of responsible documentary work in my opinion. Long interview bites are harder to manipulate and fake than short ones. There was a lot of on camera time for the interview subjects, which suggests that there was probably not a lot of splicing and rejoining of comments. When these kinds of steps are taken the filmmakers must cover the audio with video for obvious reasons, so the cuts don’t show. We saw a lot of certain interview subjects, and I think it was pretty clear why. The people who did a lot of the storytelling were fairly telegenic, articulate, energetic and passionate about their subject, and for the most part, sounded rational and reasonable. That’s my take. |
MAC, I keep trying to figure out why Verdoia got so much air time. The reason that comes to mind is that he is highly positioned at the local PBS station (KUED) and that this was some sort of plumb for him. As I said in the other thread I think that he is articulate and accurate (except for the bizarre mischaracterization of bapstism for the dead) but not especially insightful. Contrast that with say, Terryl Givens or Prof. Gordon. It was clear that not only did they know the history backwards and forwards, but they had contemplated it, studied it, and were able to present thoughtful analysis and some provocative ideas. |
I, like Hoopla, cringed a little bit about the alpha and omega snippet. I was aprehensive about MMM knowing that alot of time was spent on it. It didn’t seem long, though. I think they used to time well to set a backdrop of the incident. Maybe it will take some of the steam out of the motion picture due out soon. Any of the “acts” could easily have taken up the entire two hours, though I wonder if it would have felt like a “friendly” history if they did spend more time. |
That’s kind of how I felt. My wife was listening but not really watching, while she did other things around the house. She heard Jon Butler speaking and made the comment “who is that, Daffy Duck?” I think the hogan things set me off the most, but the visual images of Monument Valley, Goblin Valley, the yucca in profile, etc. just didn’t seem to work. They are not at all representative of the part of Utah initially colonized by the Saints. |
#6-Mac–I have a report from someone who heard Helen Whitney talk about the production and identify Marlin Jensen as her favorite interview subject. Why? Because he didn’t use “the voice.” (Her words.) (We got only one snippet of Elder Jensen yesterday. We should get more tomorrow.) |
I, too, was baffled by images like Monument Valley. My only strong objection would be to the length of the MMM segment. Sure, it’s a tragedy and an embarassment. But other than to express sympathy or to embarass, what purpose does the discussion serve? If there was some suggestion that it reflected a broader problem or that it had a lasting impact on the Church or on society, I missed it. Then again, if they’d edited it more, I might have missed the very persuasive reason for concluding that Brigham Young directed the massacre: that he knew about “everything” (apparently even in advance) that happened in Utah. Good grief! I don’t know much about Bagley, but I now know not to trust his conclusions. |
JRL–I’m trying to think why Whitney chose to spend so much time on the MMM. One thing that comes to mind is the energy of the piece. You have descendants of the Mormons and descendants of the immigrants talk, and you have SCANDAL. That raises the energy level–and she needs to keep her audience interested. Though I agree that far too much time was devoted to it, I do think it established some important things: the rising tension in Utah as federal troops were dispensed to effect some kind of control; the Mormons’ extreme isolation; the interaction of Mormons and Native Americans. (That was the only place where Native Americans were even mentioned, but they played an important role in Utah/Mormon history.) It is important to acknowledge that BY was a formidible presence. Many historians call him a despot. Obviously, he couldn’t know everything everywhere, but he was a powerful man who organized and supervised his people. He had to be a strong authority figure, otherwise the migration and the Mormon settlements could very possibly have failed or fallen into chaos. (There was certainly chaos in Nauvoo before BY led the Saints west.) |
Margaret – the title of Act I was “Revelation,” which seems appropriate to me. The presentation of the Burned-Over District, the riff on Shipps’s use of ’sacred time’ for the Exodus; the whole thing felt very romantic to me, rooted in the drama of Joseph’s visionary experiences. |
I have to agree that the MMM had a different production feel to it than the rest of the program. It seemed to have a “gotcha” sequence to it, with a wink, wink, nod, nod. “This is what we know…but, let’s read between the lines a little.” |
I’ve had a number of non-Mormons ask me about the MMM. I think that the large amount of time devoted to it was very constructive. I’ve often said that NPR’s main purpose is to give ignorant people the ability to sound like they know something about some topic. PBS serves much the same purpose with its adult documentary programming (Let’s not kid anyone, they’re doing pretty superficial, mass-market stuff). Another, less pejorative way of stating this is by saying that NPR and PBS provides just enough coverage to de-mistfy a topic and introduce some level of comfort among the audience concerning that specific topic. That said it occurred to me after watching the MMM segment, that the PBS coverage did serve to demystify the event for the audience. Next time the MMM comes up in a discussion that they participate in, instead of listening curiously, folks who watched the documentary be able to offer some amount of sane information about the topic and poo-poo the more sensationalistic information. In this sense, the documentary served a very useful service. |
I wonder why the MMM is such an important event in our history. Does it fit into the Danite construct? Does it validate those who imagine Mormons are a weird and dangerous cult who believe in blood atonement? How far do the implications of that horrible day extend? How do we contextualize it? There was one mention of the Danites, I think–and I’m not certain. And blood atonement came up, though not much time was devoted to it. Was there a thread suggesting that these early organizations/beliefs somehow made the MMM inevitable? |
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Margaret (17), I agree- I have always thought of it as a horrible event, but one I can’t really take any useful lessons from; it’s just so aberrant and strange on so many levels. |
“First off, would I recognize myself as a member of the Church she presents? My answer is, I’m not so sure. I never thought that Joseph Smith was the alpha and omega of our religion (that’s Christ). As a convert living far from Utah, I think the impact of the history of the church on current members is overemphasized by many intellectuals. I understand that this was part of the AMERICAN EXPEIENCE series, and thus it was going to cover history. But the history of the church does not impact my daily life. If the general authorities said what they said in last general conference, and the policies are what they are, I wouldn’t care if the church was founded by a street person from Zimbabwe or a prostitute from New Orleans. I care about living the principles, keeping the spririt, becoming a more godlike person, raising my children. I don’t care about how the church got here. |