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	<title>Comments on: Summary of The Mormons part II (in case you missed it)</title>
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	<description>Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People</description>
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		<title>By: bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i loved the tillerman -dick family.. how is the daughter doing? i hope she is well. i was looking to see if they had a family web site , but i couldn&#039;t find one... i loved this documentry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i loved the tillerman -dick family.. how is the daughter doing? i hope she is well. i was looking to see if they had a family web site , but i couldn&#8217;t find one&#8230; i loved this documentry</p>
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		<title>By: il_slinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>il_slinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 19:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that they didn&#039;t use enough of the common mormon.  While the Ivy league, home schooled children story was heart touching as pertaining to the terminally ill daughter, all I could think of was how wierd a large family of home schooled children must appear to non-mormons.  I don&#039;t want that idea to be the world&#039;s view of the typical mormon family.  

I went to public school, as did all of my siblings.  I have 3 siblings that attended ivy league schools, I have another sibling that is currently getting a Phd, I have a law degree.  I say this not to boast, but to state that there are all sorts of average mormons who have excelled, and I wish the program would have focused on them.  

I also found Toscano to be the worst contributor to the program.  I didn&#039;t find it hard to watch her talking about being excommunicated.  It became readily apparent that she #1 Doesn&#039;t understand that being excommunicated is part of the repentance process and that the High Council members who were shaking her hand wanted to help her out.  #2 I think that a husband should have the RIGHT to decide who dresses his deceased wife.  If he wants to exclude his sister-in-law that is something that he should be more then entitled to do, and Toscano being offended by this just shows that she has a bone to pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that they didn&#8217;t use enough of the common mormon.  While the Ivy league, home schooled children story was heart touching as pertaining to the terminally ill daughter, all I could think of was how wierd a large family of home schooled children must appear to non-mormons.  I don&#8217;t want that idea to be the world&#8217;s view of the typical mormon family.  </p>
<p>I went to public school, as did all of my siblings.  I have 3 siblings that attended ivy league schools, I have another sibling that is currently getting a Phd, I have a law degree.  I say this not to boast, but to state that there are all sorts of average mormons who have excelled, and I wish the program would have focused on them.  </p>
<p>I also found Toscano to be the worst contributor to the program.  I didn&#8217;t find it hard to watch her talking about being excommunicated.  It became readily apparent that she #1 Doesn&#8217;t understand that being excommunicated is part of the repentance process and that the High Council members who were shaking her hand wanted to help her out.  #2 I think that a husband should have the RIGHT to decide who dresses his deceased wife.  If he wants to exclude his sister-in-law that is something that he should be more then entitled to do, and Toscano being offended by this just shows that she has a bone to pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ellsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ellsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 19:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should start a new thread called &quot;Fact-checking Tal Bachman.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should start a new thread called &#8220;Fact-checking Tal Bachman.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Edje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 18:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom (32, 33): Elder Ballard addressed this question in October Conference, 1989 (following the death of two Elders in Bolivia):

&lt;blockquote&gt;The increased visibility of the Church in the world brings a variety of new challenges. However, you parents and prospective missionaries have no reason to be fearful and to feel that serving a mission is unusually dangerous or risky. Our records since 1981 reveal that the total number of missionaries who have lost their lives through accident, illness, or other causes is very small. The life-style of Latter-day Saint missionaries before and during their missions contributes to their health and safety. For example, the death rate of young male missionaries from the United States serving worldwide is one-fifth the rate of young males of comparable age living in Utah. It is one-seventh the rate of young males of comparable age in the general population of the United States. I do not imply that missionary service is a guarantee of increased longevity, but missionaries obviously have a much lower risk of death than others of comparable age.&lt;/blockquote&gt; (M. Russell Ballard, “&lt;a href=&quot;http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1989.htm/ensign%20november%201989.htm/duties%20rewards%20and%20risks%20.htm?fn=document-frame.htm$f=templates$3.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Duties, Rewards, and Risks&lt;/a&gt;,” &lt;i&gt;Ensign&lt;/i&gt;, Nov 1989, p 33.)

I don&#039;t know if Elder Ballard&#039;s numbers control for underlying health and lifestyle (i.e., is the death rate he cites for &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; males in that age cohort or just those who could have passed a missionary physical in the preceding two years and who didn&#039;t drink, use illegal drugs, etc.)

My memory tells me that Elder Ballard has made such a claim more recently, but I couldn&#039;t find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (32, 33): Elder Ballard addressed this question in October Conference, 1989 (following the death of two Elders in Bolivia):</p>
<blockquote><p>The increased visibility of the Church in the world brings a variety of new challenges. However, you parents and prospective missionaries have no reason to be fearful and to feel that serving a mission is unusually dangerous or risky. Our records since 1981 reveal that the total number of missionaries who have lost their lives through accident, illness, or other causes is very small. The life-style of Latter-day Saint missionaries before and during their missions contributes to their health and safety. For example, the death rate of young male missionaries from the United States serving worldwide is one-fifth the rate of young males of comparable age living in Utah. It is one-seventh the rate of young males of comparable age in the general population of the United States. I do not imply that missionary service is a guarantee of increased longevity, but missionaries obviously have a much lower risk of death than others of comparable age.</p></blockquote>
<p> (M. Russell Ballard, “<a href="http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1989.htm/ensign%20november%201989.htm/duties%20rewards%20and%20risks%20.htm?fn=document-frame.htm$f=templates$3.0" rel="nofollow">Duties, Rewards, and Risks</a>,” <i>Ensign</i>, Nov 1989, p 33.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if Elder Ballard&#8217;s numbers control for underlying health and lifestyle (i.e., is the death rate he cites for <i>all</i> males in that age cohort or just those who could have passed a missionary physical in the preceding two years and who didn&#8217;t drink, use illegal drugs, etc.)</p>
<p>My memory tells me that Elder Ballard has made such a claim more recently, but I couldn&#8217;t find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had forgotten he had mentioned crocodiles.  American crocodiles are indeed restricted to the Carribean area, and in South America are found only in Venezuela and probably small areas of surrounding countries.  Aside from the Buenas Aires Zoo, there wasn&#039;t a crocodile within a couple thousand miles.  

Specttacled caimans can be found in some areas of northern Argentina.  That species is a relatively small member of the alligator family and (unlike crocodiles) is harmless to humans.  The spectacled caiman is smaller and even less dangerous than the relatively benign American alligator we have in the southeastern US.  I suppose we can give him misidentifying a caiman and uncritically accepting folklore about frogs, but it is still a stretch to suggest that he was in any danger from the local herpetofauna.  After all, millions of Argentinians live their lives quite calmly in the presence of frogs and caimans.  For that matter, alligators and frogs can be found in my town here in Louisiana, and I guess I forgot to be frightened.  

The story of being terrorized by poison-spitting frogs and crocodiles is about as credible as if he had told us about fire-breathing dragons and crocodiles in the British Columbia Vancouver Mission.

Something of an irony, considering how he was going on about how he couldn&#039;t accept the credibility of the church origins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had forgotten he had mentioned crocodiles.  American crocodiles are indeed restricted to the Carribean area, and in South America are found only in Venezuela and probably small areas of surrounding countries.  Aside from the Buenas Aires Zoo, there wasn&#8217;t a crocodile within a couple thousand miles.  </p>
<p>Specttacled caimans can be found in some areas of northern Argentina.  That species is a relatively small member of the alligator family and (unlike crocodiles) is harmless to humans.  The spectacled caiman is smaller and even less dangerous than the relatively benign American alligator we have in the southeastern US.  I suppose we can give him misidentifying a caiman and uncritically accepting folklore about frogs, but it is still a stretch to suggest that he was in any danger from the local herpetofauna.  After all, millions of Argentinians live their lives quite calmly in the presence of frogs and caimans.  For that matter, alligators and frogs can be found in my town here in Louisiana, and I guess I forgot to be frightened.  </p>
<p>The story of being terrorized by poison-spitting frogs and crocodiles is about as credible as if he had told us about fire-breathing dragons and crocodiles in the British Columbia Vancouver Mission.</p>
<p>Something of an irony, considering how he was going on about how he couldn&#8217;t accept the credibility of the church origins.</p>
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		<title>By: CS Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dangers missionaries face can take many forms.  During the first couple of months in Korea (before I understood enough of the language to participate meaningfully), I was convinced I was going to die of boredom.  Or of a virulent form of prolonged jet lag.

Then there are problems here in the US.  We were scheduled to feed the missionaries on Easter.  We had a part-member couple with us, and we waited, and waited, and waited until we got a call from them.  They weren&#039;t going to be able to make it--some idiot pulled his car in front of the missionaries on their bikes, and one of them hit the car and wound up in the emergency room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dangers missionaries face can take many forms.  During the first couple of months in Korea (before I understood enough of the language to participate meaningfully), I was convinced I was going to die of boredom.  Or of a virulent form of prolonged jet lag.</p>
<p>Then there are problems here in the US.  We were scheduled to feed the missionaries on Easter.  We had a part-member couple with us, and we waited, and waited, and waited until we got a call from them.  They weren&#8217;t going to be able to make it&#8211;some idiot pulled his car in front of the missionaries on their bikes, and one of them hit the car and wound up in the emergency room.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two of my companions had knives pulled on them; one of them was shot at; and my companion and I were shot at once.  One companion was injured in a natural gas explosion while heating water for a baptism, another missionary was run over by a bus while trying to catch it.  None of those were killed.

No poisonous frogs though in the part of Mexico I served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of my companions had knives pulled on them; one of them was shot at; and my companion and I were shot at once.  One companion was injured in a natural gas explosion while heating water for a baptism, another missionary was run over by a bus while trying to catch it.  None of those were killed.</p>
<p>No poisonous frogs though in the part of Mexico I served.</p>
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		<title>By: MAC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought they gave Tal enough rope to hang himself with in the eyes of LDS viewers. I have no idea what non-LDS viewers would think.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I agree.  But it seems in conflict with what the objective of the documentary.

Couldn&#039;t they find someone more representative?  Do all missionaries need to be typified as capable of suicide bombings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought they gave Tal enough rope to hang himself with in the eyes of LDS viewers. I have no idea what non-LDS viewers would think.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I agree.  But it seems in conflict with what the objective of the documentary.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t they find someone more representative?  Do all missionaries need to be typified as capable of suicide bombings?</p>
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		<title>By: Tagore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellsworth (34),

Please don&#039;t dismiss the idea of fighting off ninjas so glibly. I served a mission in Japan, and unprovoked hand-to-and combat with ninjas was many missionaries&#039; worst fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellsworth (34),</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t dismiss the idea of fighting off ninjas so glibly. I served a mission in Japan, and unprovoked hand-to-and combat with ninjas was many missionaries&#8217; worst fear.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
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		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought they gave Tal enough rope to hang himself with in the eyes of LDS viewers.  I have no idea what non-LDS viewers would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought they gave Tal enough rope to hang himself with in the eyes of LDS viewers.  I have no idea what non-LDS viewers would think.</p>
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