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Well, we could make a documentary… Of course, this is a huge issue for me–it is THE issue I’ve been working with for a decade. But I have also been struck by instructions in _Preach My Gospel_ which tell the missionaries over and over “Do not tell [the investigator] everything you know.” My husband added to that “or everything you think you know.” (This helps keep the missionaries focused on the essential gospel without circulating more folklore.) When we first got our call to serve in the MTC, I thought that an opportunity might arise for me to share the things I’ve learned about the race issue. I no longer think that. One of the missionaries from my ward wrote asking me for information on the priesthood restriction. I sent FAR MORE than I should have, and he reduced it to a quick soundbite which was far, far from my own thoughts. I learned my lesson and will not make that mistake again. I believe the time has come for the issue to be discussed openly and in the spirit of truth and reconciliation. Darius Gray and I have been watching the responses to the PBS special and the Al Sharpton debate and have simply seen the wave cresting. Nonetheless, I will not teach all I know to the missionaries. I will teach them more than “We don’t know”–because, honestly, I think it would be a flat-out lie for me to say that. I DO KNOW a heckuva lot about the issue. What I will teach is that God is no respecter of persons, and any idea which suggests something different is false. The scriptures are the measuring stick. I will also speak freely about African American Latter-day Saints (I don’t talk so much about African Mormons, because the challenges are so different for them) and the challenges they have met. Darius often talks about “blacks in the Bible” and will continue to do so. I can answer questions, but I will give short answers to missionaries. Our documentary, on the other hand–well, obviously, I’m passionate about it. (_Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons_–in case somebody hasn’t heard of it…)We put faces to the stories and deal with the issues honestly but also faithfully, with the constant goal of building bridges rather than digging greater divides. Dan, I don’t know if you’ll get to MHA where you can see a trailer. We will release the whole documentary next year. My sense is that we’ll release it for the 30th anniversary of the priesthood revelation. And btw, the trailer includes Pastor Cecil “Chip” Murray’s report of an apology from President Hinckley on the Church’s past discrimination, which was delivered to him personally by the prophet. |
Margaret, That is fantastic news (about Pres. Hinckley’s apology). I wish I could be at MHA, but I guarantee I’m going to be one of the first viewers of your documentary when it comes out. Unfortunately, I have a lot more stories like the ones I related, so your documentary can’t come a moment too soon. |
Thanks Dan and Margaret – Dan, I too, look forward to Margaret’s documentary. I think this is one of the big issues that will come up in the coming year or two with Romney once the polygamy issues dies down. I guess it has started with Sharpton… |
Senior missionary couples are a major problem in perpetuating priesthood myths, and I think the church needs to make a special effort to train them in a way to prevent this. An African member of the church in Uganda insisted to me that black people were cursed and she was sure of it because Elder and Sister Jones held a special fireside and taught everyone in the branch there that that was the case. It doesn’t help that senior missionaries are also the ones most likely to have older versions of McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine, which they generously leave behind in the mission field to help stock up the ward library. |
Tagore–it wouldn’t matter if they had an UPDATED version of _Mormon Doctrine_. It still has all the material on racial degeneration, curses, valiency in the pre-existence, etc. It mentions the priesthood revelation, but the nonsense is still there. BTW, MoDoc is NOT on the missionaries’ reading list. I wish the problem were confined to senior missionaries. The myths are still perpetuated in the younger generation, I’m afraid. One of our filmmakers, who is African American, was stunned to learn that his wife (white) believed in the Curse of Cain. |
Was it wrong of me while making copies in our ward library with no one around to throw away the two copies of Mormon Doctrine that were on the shelf? I like to think that I was doing something along the lines of what Ellsworth refers to in this post as “vicarious redemption.” Elder McConkie will thank me for it. |
Tagore, you da man, or woman as the case may be. Not only does elder McConkie thank you for that, the rest of us do as well. |
I wholeheartedly agree. I prefer to believe that Elder McConkie is now able to see those teachings for the stumbling-blocks they were, and he would want them destroyed. What you did was not out of contempt for Elder McConkie, but rather out of respect for him. You did him and others a favor. |
Since the PBS special, the press release MD and the subsequent talk about the opinions of prophets, I am finding it difficult to know whose teachings I should listen to. Is General Conference scripture or opinion? Any counsel from a prophet I don’t really care for, I can disregard? Pres. Benson says mothers should stay home with children? No problem, just his opinion. Elder Holland says women are equal in the home? If I want to be in charge at home, then his opinion is just PC, a product of liberated times. This is a sincere question. I know that the scriptures are what we are to follow, but prophets are given to guide us in the particular times we live in. How can we quote Journal of Discourses when we just as often say things in it are wrong. How do we say “Follow the prophet” in one breath and “That counsel is his opinion, prophets made errors” in the next? I feel all of a sudden that the emperor has no clothes and not sure when I can look to the brethren for guidance. |
Dan, I have been in the position of that missionary and it is a horrible place to stand. My father joined the Church before the ban was lifted and was a faithful member during that time. The first day of my mission I was told by the Mission President that they had, “Prayed for someone like me to come to the mission.” What that really meant is that I became the Black sister missionary. Apparently some Elders had made a copy of the discussions that were for “Blacks” and distributed them to several memebers and other zones in the mission. So now they could point to me and say, “See we really aren’t racist.” Only to have copies of Mormon Doctrine or Mormon and The Negro find their way into their homes. Maragret, I am looking forward to your documentary! I too, wish this was a topic that could be discussed freely within the Church. Saying, “We don’t know,” is such a hollow answer. Admiting that those in authority made incorrect, or questionable choices, does not that they are any less important in our history. Nor does it diminish the good that they accomplished. |
Josh, Your questions are very good ones. I, myself, have come up with three general rules for what I accept as doctrine: 1) Things I can verify (or gain a testimony of), That eliminates a vast amount of teachings I have received during my time as a member of the Church. It’s not that I reject the rest of the teachings I have received- it just means that I don’t feel obligated to believe them. But my core convictions — the ones relating to Christ, the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, personal revelation, modern prophets, and the inspiration that frequently (but not always…) accompanies Church service — those are things that are set in stone for me. |
You know, I like Mormon Doctrine. Wouldn’t just be easier to rip out the parts that perpetuate myth than throw the whole book out? The parts in there are horrible, but that doesn’t mean the whole book as “false doctrine.” I kind of see throwing that book out tactic as throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Dan Ellsworth, you’re the same Dan that was in Langley for a long time right? |
Hi Sherpa, Yes, I’m that Langley Dan. |
bean (10), I left on my mission totally unprepared on this issue, and then one day my companion and I had lunch at the local bishop’s house; they were a black family, and as we were eating lunch, somehow the topic of discussion came to “the folklore.” The mother told us how deeply offended she was by any suggestion that she was less than faithful in the preexistence, and I think that was the first time I ever realized just how hurtful those ideas were. Later on, when a zone leader of mine taught me the folklore as if it were doctrine, I felt really weird, like there was something really wrong with what he was saying. |
See, I don’t agree with throwing the book out just because. Even Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto has their merits. The book is called Mormon Doctrine, but I read the book just to know what the Church stances were on certain issues were at that period just because I was interested in it, and not to get Official, Updated doctrine from the book. Someone once said that official updated Doctrine comes from the Prophets and the Apostles. McConkie wasn’t an apostle when Mormon Doctrine was first published. Personally, I get my official doctrine from the scriptures and conference talks. I also pray about it because I’m one that doesn’t just obey blindly. I’ve got to contemplate and think about a concept before I believe in it. But that’s just the way I go about. Everyone’s different. However, I’ve read McConkie, I’ve read Skousen, and others because I’m interested in what they say about the gospel, and I enjoy reading things that make me think. I definitely don’t agree with everything I’ve read (case in point–The Communist Manifesto) but However, you’ve struck upon an interesting point. Is Mormon Doctrine itself a book that should be thrown out because of the danger of the mis-doctrine of the book or should it stay in Mormon families libraries? Personally, I think it should stay in libraries, but I’m not sure about it staying in church libraries. However, I’m of the opinion that people are smart enough to figure things out for themselves and decide whether or not they should throw out the book. But at the same time, I see the danger of new members, the media etc etc getting a copy of that book and the damage that could be done. However, at the same time if they really want to know the truth, all they have to do is ask a member what we do believe. Its not like the anti-mormon crowd hasn’t used Mormon Doctrine before, and I’m sure they will again. |
Dan, This is one place my difficulty comes in. If we look at a conference talk from 20 years ago and feel that some things are incorrect, why would not the things being said today also have incorrect teachings in them? Pres. Hinckley has no greater claim to revelation that did Pres. Benson. This also presents a problem in discussing issues with non-members. Hard to claim that we believe in modern-day prophets and continuing revelation, then say that some of the things they teach are not true. And each member gets to decide for themselves if the prophet speaks the will of God or not. |
If we believe in continuing revelation, then we believe in the possibility of attaining greater light and knowledge–which also means that we accept the fact that we are currently living in some degree of shadow. McConkie said to forget everything he or anyone else had said about the priesthood issue prior to June 1st 1978 because “we were working with limited light and knowledge.” Does President Hinckley have greater claim to revelation than President Benson did? You betcha. President Benson is dead. I believe wholeheartedly that what President Hinckley said in the priesthood session of April Conference 2006 was spoken by revelation. My favorite line: “How can any man holding the Melchizedek Priesthood arrogantly assume that he is eligible for the priesthood whereas another who lives a righteous life but whose skin is of a different color is ineligible?” That line seems to transcend time. It does NOT say “after 1978.” And Sherpa, I am in the “Throw the book away” camp. Obviously, copies of _MoDoc_ need to be preserved for historical purposes, but if there are a thousand truths and only one devious lie, the book still LIES. And this particular lie has cost us dearly. If there’s only ONE little tapeworm on a spinach leaf in my salad, I would be better off not eating that salad. |
Bean421–do I know you? If not, could you contact me personally? Margaret_Young@byu.edu . I’ll be in and out of the country over the next little while, but I would like to know more about your journey. |