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Wow, what an amazing and interesting post. Susan Ray Schmidt, thanks for answering so many questions and providing some insights into your life and perspectives on things. |
Yes, thanks for your comments Susan. It provides some great insights into your life and makes me want to read your book. |
Interesting post, thank you Susan. |
Thanks for your answers and comments, Susan. Very interesting. I plan to read your book. Great interview, annegb! |
“The testimony I had of the LeBaron faith was a testimony based on feelings and the opinions of my leaders, not on personal knowledge of the scriptures.” This is a really interesting distinction to make. It’s making me think a bit about parsing the elements of belief and faith. Thanks a great deal. |
I am Susan’s oldest daughter. Chapter 28 is “all about me”. I cried when I read the chapter because I realized how much my Mom suffered and how much she sacrificed for my well being both in Colonia LeBaron and after she fled. I am forever greatful and attribute so much of my blessed life to her strength and endurnace. I am incredibly proud of her for writing her story. This is an amazing accomplishment and her dream come true. Congratulations Mom. None of Susan’s seven children practice polygamy. This is a miracle and true only because she had the courage to remove us from the polygamist colony. Also, once she left, many members of the community helped our family adjust by providing living accomodations, a vehicle, food, clothing, Christmas, friendships and basic life necessities. We were raised initially in Utah and then in Idaho. We attended school and community churches and now are all happy adults. I am thankful for my life, espcially knowing that I was rescued from polygamy. Thoughts of what would have become of my life had she not left haunt me from time to time. I thank you all for the encouragement you have provided through your blog. |
Susan, I wonder if your family prayed together when you were a little girl, or did you and Verlan ever pray together? Also, my daughter told me that she had a friend who’d been a member of a polygamous family and she said that the women wear their hair according to their stature in the home. Did you guys do any of that? It seems, reading your book, that the families in Colorado City actually have a better life than you lived, they have homes and food and education. What’s the difference, do you suppose. Who is the prophet in the eyes of the LeBarons today? How are they affiliated with Warren Jeffs, or are they? |
Thanks to all of you for your comments, especially to you, Melanie! I am the lucky one… Annegb, yes my father’s family prayed, but rarely together as a family unless it was at mealtime. Verlan’s family was the same, and Verlan prayed with me at my bedside on the nights he spent with me. I have to say though, that his prayers seemed perfunctory (as were mine)and repetitious expressions of thanks; without real feeling, and I would say without evidence of a personal relationship. Today I know that spending time in the Word of God gives you that personal knowledge of Him, and thus you develop a deep love and confidence in Him. I do not believe Verlan had this relationship, and I’m certain I didn’t. God was a judging, demanding stranger to me. I thank God today that I have found a personal relationship with Him that is based on faith through reading His word, and knowledge that He first loved me, so much that He sent His Son to pay my sin-debt, and all I have to do is believe. John 3:16. |
Wow, number 8’s a lovely post! It’s odd serial monogamy is generally considered by so many to be OK but polygamy’s not? (The part of the polygamy cults I personally find scary is simply their utter authoritarianism, as it’s maybe amplified by the miniscule size of their faith communities. But I’m sure it can be just as valid and useful a religious faith system for somebody as any other one (well–*I* think! :^))… |
Susan, is there any strong leader in any polygamous community today? I think there are many who claim to be prophets; for instance, years ago, a little boy, age 7 appeared in my daughter’s kindergarten class. His name was David and he was way behind the kindergarteners. I spent extra time with him (I was a room mother or something) and one day he said to me, “my grandpa’s the prophet.” I said, “oh.” And we went on reading. His last name was Warren. They only left him in school for a few months. Very, very sad. |
I went and bought the book because of this post. So I hope that maybe Susan or Melanie will see this and answer it. I was intrigued by the photo of all of Verlan’s daughters at the end of the book, on the cruise. So that’s one of my questions– do all of Verlan’s kids get along now? That cruise seems so far away from your life in Mexico– are most of Verlan’s kids living fairly middle class American lives now? And,finally, were there only three LeBaron brothers? Or were there some others that weren’t involved in the church of the first born, or polygamy? I’m trying to figure out the connection to a LeBaron I know, who teaches at a major university. (I’ll keep the name of the university private, just to preserve his privacy.) He told me the family connection once, but I can’t remember how it worked out. |
Annegb, I will get back to you concerning the leaders of the various polygamist groups. I haven’t looked into this recently, but have a friend I’ll contact who knows more about them all than I do. Paula, thanks for your email and for buying the book. I hope you enjoy it and it answers many of your questions about polygamy and how people can still cling to it in today’s world. |
susan, I am the great neice of Uncle Bud Chynoweth. My grandfather was Gene Chynoweth and my mother is Renon Gibson. My name is Shelby Thorn. For years we have had a very traditional reunion in the Chynoweth family. Our reunions have included all the decendants of all 10 siblings from Harvey and Roxy Chynoweth. Only a few of those siblings remain to this day. I believe there are a total of 4 left. We just had our family reunion in August an as always there is never anyone from Uncle Buds family present. I found out about your book thru my hairdresser here in St George. She had read it and we started talking and I told her I had a little bit of family that got tied up with Ervil Le Baron and I told her thier names and she then told me that the people I mentioned were in this book. I was ecstatic! I immediately phoned my mom and told her about your book and now its circulating thru the entire Chynoweth Family. We never could understand what happened to Uncle Bud and Aunt Thelma and at one point they even brought Ervil to Tropic and threatened our family to convert or die! You can probably guess what our family’s reaction was to that. We never saw Bud or Thelma’s family again. Mom says she only has good memories of them and her cousins. we have always wondered where they were and what they were doing. It breaks my heart to find out the details. Susan, I would love to sit with you and just chat. I have so many questions about my missing family as do all the Chynoweths. I know you can’t possibly answer every question, but at least we can gather more details to take back to those who really love and miss Bud and Thelma. Thank you for writing this book! I will be eternally grateful to you for that. Sincerely, Shelby Thorn |
shelby therea are a couple of chynoweths by Chetumal Quintana Roo in Mexico I was there in 1989 though Thelma could be one of them |
Shelby, if you e-mail me, I can help you get in touch with Susan: |
Annegb, Thank you for your help. I have sent an e-mail to you. I hope to hear from you real soon. Thanks so much! Shelby |
this was a great book for anyone that has ever wondered what that life is like. Susan you did a great job letting people know the heartache of your life without sounding bitter and by being honest, I knew in the frist chapter that you were special and that you had a mind of your own. I felt reading the book that your parents also knew this about you. You are a great inspiration to all women who are in what seems to be a helpless situation.you deserve all the great gifts that God has given you. I was on the edge of my seat during this book and felt great happiness for you at the end. |
Thanks for checking in, Judy. Susan truly is a wonder. And she’s just a doll, real, honest, and funny. She made it through. |
Susan, just finished your book and am now reading Dauthter of the Saints by Dorothy Allred Solomon. Her family’s way of life was so different from yours and the contrasts are most interesting. God was with you when you got out of Ervil’s clutches. His life interested me enough to look it up on the net and read about the horrible things he did “in the name of God” and how unbelievable it is that his children have follwed his lead. It makes me wonder just how many more of these evil people are amongst us. God be with you. Penelope |
WOW, WHAT A GREAT STORY. AFTER READING MANY OF THE MORMON/POLYGAMIST BOOKS AND HEARING ABOUT THE LEBARON FAMILY I AM IN AWE AS TO HOW YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN SURVIVED. IT TAKES A LOT TO JUST WALK AWAY FROM WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN THOUGHT YOUR WHOLE LIFE. I KNOW IT HAD TO BE GOD’S GRACE THAT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN GOT AWAY AND ARE NOW LIVING NORMAL LIVES. I HAVE ALL THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD FOR YOU FOR MAKING THE CHOICES YOU MADE TO GET OUT OF THAT AWFUL PLACE. MAY THE LORD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ALWAYS!!! I HAVE ONE QUESTION, DO YOU STILL KEEP IN TOUCH WITH ANY OF THE LEBARON FAMILY. LIKE VERLAN’S OTHER CHILDREN OR ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS SISTER WIVES. |
I just finished your book, and can’t get enough of your story. I was born in 1970, and was trying to imagine my family living without indoor plumbing, and heat and what not during that modern time. I bet it felt like a luxury when you left for the States. You had to have been a brave person to have broken away from something that all encompassing. What are your thoughts on the families of Colorado city and the way the government is handling that situation? God be with you and yours, you’ve provided a wonderful example for women in crisis situations everywhere. |
I just finished reading His Favorite Wife this evening. I was completely enthralled by it. It left me with a desire to know more about you and your children. I guess my question is about the cruise that all of Verlan’s daughters took together. Who got it all together. How hard was it to find a time for all to get together at one time. I don’t guess you’d be willing to point out which ones are your daughters. Would you? They are all beautiful and look to be well-adjusted young women. It is amazing that they all knew where everyone was living in 2003. Your book was riviting. You are a talented writer. Thanks. |
What an amazing book! I was enthralled from start to finish. |
I found your book by accident in a library and I have to tell you that once I started reading it I could not put it down. I t took me a week to read it as a mother of five. My aunt and his husband did belong to mormon church in Fibnland and as a little girl I often spent a lot of time with them as my aunt was babysittin for me. They were trying to convert me and brought me to services but I always felt there was something strange in it. Just their holy undergarments and customs seemed so weird..thankfully the Lord preserved me because I got saved when I was 19 and as a result of my testimony and intensze times around the scripture with my aunts husbad they broke off from mormonism..long story short, Thank you for being ‘rebellious’ and listening to your heart adn having courage to leave. Your life is an amazing testimony and I wish I could meet you some day. Love, minna, Maryland |
Will your book be available for kindle? So many people with kindle are waiting for it to be available…. please let me know asap!!!! Thank You |
susan, I ‘m a little over halfway through your book. It is wonderful. It’s so hard for me to put it down. I just found out, by looking on this site, that you are now a born-again christian. I’m one, also. You don’t know how happy I am that you got out of that way of life and got saved. I feel like I know you personally, from reading yor story. I’m just wondering if you have any more information on the tv miniseries about your book. I would love to watch it. Thanks, Genevieve |
I am an elementary teacher in Wisconsin, and have just learned that a student of mine with the last name LeBaron is moving to Colonia LeBaron in Mexico. He leaves tomorrow and I have so many emotions flowing through me. I want some type of reassurance that he will be ok. He is 8 years old and has 3 younger siblings. I’m wondering if this move is some type of coercion? Are the children going to be safe? Concerned in Wisconsin. |
Susan, |
Susan, please describe how you became a born again Christian. Did you accept Jesus of the bible in your heart by prayer? How did you come to accept the ways of your new husband being a Christian? The book just suddenly says that after you married you became a Christian. |
I just read Irene Spencer’s book last week (Jan 2009). I was so sad reading about her struggle and secretly hoped the other wives wrote books about their horrifying experience. I just called my local library to order your book on interlibrary loan. I’m a Catholic and thought I had life rough… growing up. However I realized a long time ago, no one has it easy in whatever religion they partake in. You, Irene and your fellow sister wives are very brave. Many blessings to you all. |
Susan’s husband died several months ago. I’ll pass on your comments and questions and perhaps when she feels ready, she can come back on and respond. thanks so much for your interest in this issue. |
Susan, I’d appreciate if you didn’t talk so horribly about Ervil LeBaron. He was a good man who just happened to go crazy. Joel loved his brother. You are very biased. The LeBarons may be stuck up, but they’re good people. Your dad was an incredible person. God loves all of his children equally, and you should too. Forgive Ervil.. Quit with your biased and mean representations of Ervil. |
For post #32: No one could respresent Ervil LeBaron better than he did for himself. Yes, it is sad that Ervil LeBaron was someone’s son, husband, father, uncle, cousin, and brother and he chose to commit such atrocities. But, through all his chit-chat with friends, singing of hymns unto the Lord, and “religious teaching” he shared with his family and friends he still played a MAJOR role in having many innocent people murdered. Yes, God does love all his children but he does have consequences for murder and Ervil will suffer those consequences; especially since Ervil proclaimed that those murders were in the name of God. Through it all we can’t forget the victims just because someone loves Ervil. The victims deserve to be heard and some can only be heard through history being retold by people like Susan. I finished reading Susan’s book His Favorite Wife last night. I have also read Shattered Dreams, Predators, Prey and other Kinfolk, Escape, and one other that I cannot recall at this moment. I feel that Susan was more than gracious in her story of Ervil LeBaron. Susan, Keep your faith and know that there are people out there that have grown from reading your story. |
Ervil LeBaron was a murderer. |
Susan. are you coming to St. George,UT |
In response to comment 31. Susan, you have my deepest sympathy. May God hold you in the palm of his hand at this time of mourning. You’ll be in my prayers |
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Susan I just finished reading shattered dreams and am waiting to recieve your book his favorite wife, I am so happy for your entire family that you made it out and that most are now born again and got to know the real Christ, I just have a silly question do all the kids carry the Lebaron name or did they carry the names of the mother, I dont really know why I am curious about this, I just am |
I just finished reading ‘Favorite Wife’, and I must admit I had a hard time putting it down. This book really opened my eyes to the world of polygamy and I would just like to thank Susan for writing it as I can imagine it must have been difficult at times. I am glad her and her children are now happy. This book was such an inspiration in many ways. |
Hello all. I’m truly overwhelmed by all the posts since I last looked at this site. Thank you, Annegb, for continuing to host, and to all of you for your questions/comments. As Annegb mentioned in a prior post, I did lose my husband Dennis to a sudden heart attact in July, 08. My world has been turned upside down and it has taken me some time to feel anything again. Through it all, God has been more than gracous to me and I can truly say, 10 months later, that I am once again in thinking mode and the immense hole in my chest has shrunk to a managable size. I don’t know where to begin answering the posts. If you will be patient with me I will take them one by one, starting with the last one first. These are long answers! I will try to get to some of the other questions soon. Thank you all and God bless! |
Hi Susan, Your book was fascinating and well written. Your book and Irene’s book gave me a different perspective on polygamy. I had always imagined the polygamous husband to be an oversexed incestuous monster. Yet Verlan seemed like a good and decent man who was only doing what he felt he must do to be exalted in the next life. I imagine his suffering was also great, he and Joel seemed like good hearted souls. Do you think Verlan ever understood the plight of his wives? And do you think he was sad that he never bonded with any of his children? Do you keep in touch with all your former sister wives? Did any of the wives ever get along with Charlotte or Ester? I wondered if you and Irene Spencer are worried about any of the remaining Ervilites? Do you feel they are still a threat? Have you read Ervil’s Book of the New Covenants? I ask because I wonder what was motivating him, was he just pure evil or was it mental illness? Do any of the LeBarons feel that they must still remain in hiding? What ever happened to Verlan’s sister, the one who was held prisoner in her adobe home? Also Ross LeBaron, Jr. is in the news of late, did you know his father Ross, Sr.? Was pure seed ever an issue with any of the polygamist families you knew in Mexico? Thank you Susan for writing a great and honest book! I am so glad you decided to share your story. SMH |
that is to bad that the lebarons left a bad tast in your mouth about the lds faith iam married to a lebaron and she is starting to see how there faith was built by narcissism |