Comments on: Romney and Mormon Doctrine http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:43:20 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: JC Himself http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-102700 JC Himself Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:49:35 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-102700 Holy F*ck you people are frightening. No wonder the founder of the mormon cult was dragged from jail and lynch by a mob before the governor signed the execution order for all mormons. JC save me from your most dangerous followers. Holy F*ck you people are frightening. No wonder the founder of the mormon cult was dragged from jail and lynch by a mob before the governor signed the execution order for all mormons. JC save me from your most dangerous followers.

]]> By: Mormon Mentality - Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People » Romney Fights for His Faith http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-44824 Mormon Mentality - Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People » Romney Fights for His Faith Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:44:04 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-44824 [...] 5. Romney and Mormon Doctrine, john f. (144) [...] [...] 5. Romney and Mormon Doctrine, john f. (144) [...]

]]> By: Kat http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-35631 Kat Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:34 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-35631 Thank you both, for answering my question & putting some "light" on the subject. Well, wherever or whenever Christ appears again, I pray we all will be ready. Peace & Blessings. Thank you both, for answering my question & putting some “light” on the subject.

Well, wherever or whenever Christ appears again, I pray we all will be ready.

Peace & Blessings.

]]> By: john f. http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-35122 john f. Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:37:24 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-35122 An <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/?p=6#comment-24" rel="nofollow">insightful comment</a> was left by Left Field at <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/" rel="nofollow">Mormon Matters</a> on this issue: <blockquote>I don’t know that Romney’s response is necessarily in conflict with Mormon teachings. I’ve done some reading on the subject (even [literally] dusting off my copy of Mormon Doctrine) and I haven’t really found any indication that the second coming per se will be in Missouri. Malachi 3:1 and Doctrine and Covenants 36:8 state that the Lord will “suddenly come to his temple.” McConkie (pp. 694-4; 696) regards this to be at least partially fulfilled by Christ’s appearance in the Kirtland Temple, but also looks to a future fulfillment in the Temple in Jackson County. This appears to be a private appearance, and BRM specifically states that the appearance in the temple “does not have reference to his appearance at the great and dreadful day, for that coming will be when he sets his foot upon the Mount of Olives.” There are also references to Christ appearing at the Grand Council at Adam-Ondi-Ahman (McConkie 694; Teachings 157) and receiving the keys from Adam, but this also appears to be a private appearance occurring *prior* to the second coming. McConkie (pp. 696-7) quotes Zechariah 14:3-4 as a reference for the second coming on the Mount of Olives, and indicates that he will *subsequently* appear “upon the mighty ocean, even the great deep, and upon the islands of the sea and upon the land of Zion. And he shall utter his voice out of Zion and shall speak from Jerusalem, and his voice shall be heard among all people.” (Doctrine and Covenants 133:20-21) The tenth Article of Faith doesn’t refer to the second coming, but to the establishment of the New Jerusalem. What I get from all that is that the second coming as such will be on the Mount of Olives, but that there will be prior private appearances in Jackson County and elsewhere. After the second coming, he is expected to appear in various places throughout the world (including Missouri), and to reign during the millennium from both the Old and New Jerusalems. In short, I don’t think Romney is incorrect in locating the second coming strictly on the Mount of Olives, although clearly it is taught that there will be appearances both before and after the second coming in Missouri and elsewhere.</blockquote> Perhaps this provides some background for you, kat. An insightful comment was left by Left Field at Mormon Matters on this issue:

I don’t know that Romney’s response is necessarily in conflict with Mormon teachings.

I’ve done some reading on the subject (even [literally] dusting off my copy of Mormon Doctrine) and I haven’t really found any indication that the second coming per se will be in Missouri. Malachi 3:1 and Doctrine and Covenants 36:8 state that the Lord will “suddenly come to his temple.” McConkie (pp. 694-4; 696) regards this to be at least partially fulfilled by Christ’s appearance in the Kirtland Temple, but also looks to a future fulfillment in the Temple in Jackson County. This appears to be a private appearance, and BRM specifically states that the appearance in the temple “does not have reference to his appearance at the great and dreadful day, for that coming will be when he sets his foot upon the Mount of Olives.”

There are also references to Christ appearing at the Grand Council at Adam-Ondi-Ahman (McConkie 694; Teachings 157) and receiving the keys from Adam, but this also appears to be a private appearance occurring *prior* to the second coming.

McConkie (pp. 696-7) quotes Zechariah 14:3-4 as a reference for the second coming on the Mount of Olives, and indicates that he will *subsequently* appear “upon the mighty ocean, even the great deep, and upon the islands of the sea and upon the land of Zion. And he shall utter his voice out of Zion and shall speak from Jerusalem, and his voice shall be heard among all people.” (Doctrine and Covenants 133:20-21)

The tenth Article of Faith doesn’t refer to the second coming, but to the establishment of the New Jerusalem.

What I get from all that is that the second coming as such will be on the Mount of Olives, but that there will be prior private appearances in Jackson County and elsewhere. After the second coming, he is expected to appear in various places throughout the world (including Missouri), and to reign during the millennium from both the Old and New Jerusalems.

In short, I don’t think Romney is incorrect in locating the second coming strictly on the Mount of Olives, although clearly it is taught that there will be appearances both before and after the second coming in Missouri and elsewhere.

Perhaps this provides some background for you, kat.

]]> By: john f. http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-35091 john f. Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:48:07 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-35091 You're right that the 10th Article of Faith is irrelevant to the question of whether Jesus will appear at the Mount of Olives at the Second Coming. Latter-day Saints believe that after he appears at the Mount of Olives as prophesied in the Bible, he will play a role in a gathering that will occur on the American continent during the Millenium. For Latter-day Saints, the Millenium means the same thing as for creedal Christians, i.e. the 1,000 year period after the calamities associated with Christ's Second Coming. You’re right that the 10th Article of Faith is irrelevant to the question of whether Jesus will appear at the Mount of Olives at the Second Coming. Latter-day Saints believe that after he appears at the Mount of Olives as prophesied in the Bible, he will play a role in a gathering that will occur on the American continent during the Millenium. For Latter-day Saints, the Millenium means the same thing as for creedal Christians, i.e. the 1,000 year period after the calamities associated with Christ’s Second Coming.

]]> By: kat http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-34949 kat Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:35:36 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-34949 Hi, I'm not Mormon, so forgive my lack of information, but I don't understand something. Out of curiosity, I read the 10th article. I understand about the "second coming" but how on earth was Independence, Missouri evolved from this article? Was this a prophecy? How did Missouri out of all states be transalated into this prophecy? Because I didn't read anything about Missouri in article 10. Thank You. Hi, I’m not Mormon, so forgive my lack of information, but I don’t understand something. Out of curiosity, I read the 10th article. I understand about the “second coming” but how on earth was Independence, Missouri evolved from this article? Was this a prophecy? How did Missouri out of all states be transalated into this prophecy? Because I didn’t read anything about Missouri in article 10.
Thank You.

]]> By: kat http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-34946 kat Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:29:37 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-34946 Hi, I am not Mormon, but respect all faiths...I do not understand something. I have read the 10th article & understand the "second coming" but I don't understand how this aritcle relates to Indepence, Missouri. Was this a prophecy or something? Unless I need to read more, I see nothing about Missouri? Could someone explain how this evolved? Thank you. Hi, I am not Mormon, but respect all faiths…I do not understand something.

I have read the 10th article & understand the “second coming” but I don’t understand how this aritcle relates to Indepence, Missouri. Was this a prophecy or something? Unless I need to read more, I see nothing about Missouri? Could someone explain how this evolved?
Thank you.

]]> By: KVNU’s For The People » Me, Mitt Romney, the New York Times, CNN, Jesus & Missouri http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-34606 KVNU’s For The People » Me, Mitt Romney, the New York Times, CNN, Jesus & Missouri Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-34606 [...] pointing out the obvious that Christ will appear at the Mount of Olives at the Second Coming.    Fowles treats my quote on Jesus in Missouri as if it were mutually exclusive to His first appearance...: The scriptures read and believed by Latter-day Saints weigh against Tom Grover’s incredulous [...] [...] pointing out the obvious that Christ will appear at the Mount of Olives at the Second Coming.    Fowles treats my quote on Jesus in Missouri as if it were mutually exclusive to His first appearance…: The scriptures read and believed by Latter-day Saints weigh against Tom Grover’s incredulous [...]

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-34295 a random John Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:14:01 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-34295 <p>Elaine,</p> <p>You'll have to back your comment up with some substance pretty quickly or face deletion.</p> Elaine,

You’ll have to back your comment up with some substance pretty quickly or face deletion.

]]> By: Elaine Chumley http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm/comment-page-3#comment-34282 Elaine Chumley Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:49:07 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/06/11/romney-and-mormon-doctrine.htm#comment-34282 <p>As a non-mormon who has been studying your religion, I believe that if most Christians knew about some of your bizarre beliefs, you might be in trouble with the non-mormon populace again. You have a lot in common with Scientology, both religions made up by intelligent con-artists.</p> As a non-mormon who has been studying your religion, I believe that if most Christians knew about some of your bizarre beliefs, you might be in trouble with the non-mormon populace again. You have a lot in common with Scientology, both religions made up by intelligent con-artists.

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