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I’ve long felt that we need to pursue energy independence with as much, or more, urgency than we pursued the moon or the arms race. I’ve even said that I’d vote for the first presidential candidate who spoke credibly and seriously about urgently pursuing energy independence. I’m not saying that this essay guarantees my vote for Romney—I’d need to see what other candidates are proposing—but he is speaking my language. |
Thanks for the review, John. I will have to look that up sometimes. I share your concern that a poor choice of words might unconsciously slip Huntingtonian assumptions into Romney’s foreign policy. I would even break down the Islamic terrorists further. While Al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah are Islamists, terrorists, and opponents of the United States, there is a world of difference between them. Lumping them together is not in our strategic interest. |
Tom (1), I agree; this is my number one issue. My problem with Mitt is, his plan is lacking in specifics. Even libertarians agree that we are in a bad situation with our oil dependence, but they freak at the idea that government might have a constructive role in remedying the situation. The devil is certainly in the details here, and the question is whether Mitt has the courage to look seriously at interfering in energy markets, which Cato types mistakenly believe are free and the best allocators of resources. President Bush has talked a lot when it comes to energy, but his administration’s position that “the American way of life is non-negotiable” has kept him from making meaningful progress of any kind. His refusal to ask for even the slightest sacrifices or changes from Americans has thwarted every change in the Greater War on Terror he has sought to realize. The question, then, is whether Mitt will continue to do the same. |
I don’t think Romney’s goals seem all that particularly ambitious. The truth is, most Americans will largely ignore his foreign policy agenda. All he has to really do on that score is address Iraq (easy right?) and look suitably presidential and he’ll do alright. Most Americans will care more about the domestic agenda. The exception is Iraq of course. Americans will want to see some ideas there. Iraq is notably absent from Romney’s article. Big surprise. But he can’t avoid this hot potato forever. |
Dan (4), Bush’s friends have made a lot of money from high oil prices. They are, after all, an oil family. By the way, in 1999 I made a fundraising call for the RNC and the Texan on the other end of the line complained that he could not afford to contribute until crude was back to $35 a barrel. Those were the days. |
I think some candidates are hoping that Iraq will resolve itself before the general election. Either through a clear US victory (unlikely) or by falling into such chaos that there is little point in our staying other than to occasionally bomb terrorist training camps that spring up. Of course the most likely scenario is the one the candidates dread: the status quo. |
I think that’s exactly what Bush would like to do arj: Hand this problem off to the new president without having to deal with it himself. Of course, that’s assuming they can get Dick Cheney to give up the White House once the new president is elected… |
Why do politicians get a free pass to use reductio ad Hitlerum to their heart’s content? Why does a prominent and supposedly scholarly journal like Foreign Affairs allow such logical fallacies to appear in its print? |
john, I’m glad you talked about Romney’s comments regarding both torture and Guantanamo Bay, because, well, maybe he doesn’t realize it, but his continual ignorant comments about both torture and Gitmo are going to fully undermine his point #4. Does Mr. Romney not realize just how detrimental those two issues have been to our relations with our allies? At this point, I hope Mr. Romney loses badly in the primaries, and not even come close to the general election. He is a sore disappointment. |
re # 8, are you referring to Romney’s statement — that the Islamic extremists’ goal “to replace all modern Islamic states with a worldwide caliphate while destroying the United States and converting all nonbelievers, forcibly if necessary, to Islam” is “no more irrational than the policies pursued by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s and Stalin’s Soviet Union during the Cold War. And the threat is just as real.” — as a reductio ad Hitlerum? |
Also, re # 8, Why does a prominent and supposedly scholarly journal like Foreign Affairs allow such logical fallacies to appear in its print? Foreign Affairs also published a policy outline essay by Barack Obama in this issue. It also published an essay by the sitting Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the recent January/February 2007 issue. A great publication like Foreign Affairs publishes relevant essays by some of the country’s best academics and most prominent politicians. It also recognizes the appropriateness of allowing political candidates to speak for themselves in outlining their agendas or goals for foreign policy. If they are going to run a series like this, then censoring some of the words or reasoning of the candidates’ essays would be inappropriate. Whether Mitt Romney’s essay contains logical fallacies or not will be decided by the reader. Foreign Affairs does not have a duty to purge the essay of such fallacies since the point is to let the candidates speak for themselves on foreign policy issues that will be important for Americans. That Foreign Affairs did not censor Mitt Romney’s essay speaks in favor of Foreign Affairs as a top source of information and analysis of foreign policy issues facing the United States and the world, not against it. |
Yes, john, I am. Like George Bush and all his supporters, Mitt Romney has to resort to justifying our actions by the evils of the Nazis. The reason anyone talks about Nazism these days is to try and tie what Hitler did to what the current boogeymen do, because of course no one doubts that Hitler was a bad man. Of course, the analogy is very faulty, because in no way are today’s Islamic extremists in any way near as powerful as the Germans of the 1930s were. Maybe it isn’t reductio ad hitlerum exactly, but it is a hearkening back to previous evils to justify current actions. |
john, #11, I know. Maybe my frustration shouldn’t be with Foreign Affairs, but with Mitt Romney and his disappointing ignorance of the world around him. |
Whether Mitt Romney is invoking a reductio ad Hitlerum (an technique, by the way that is copiously relied on by the Left with the Bush-Hitler catch phrase and plenty of readily available screeds that surface through Google searching), informed readers will be able to discern. It is relevant to note that after pointing out that the Islamic extremists’ goal of setting up a new Caliphate (essentially, a goal of world ideological domination) is just as irrational as the Nazi and Soviet goals of world ideological and physical domination, Romney goes on to distinguish the situations in the immediately following paragraph, as follows:
Once again, the reader will decide whether Romney’s comparison of Islamic terrorists to Nazis and Stalinists is a fallacy. |
Comparing Al Qaeda to Adolf Hitler is not useful. They are a band of thugs who might have the capacity to kill us but they are not a threat to the existence of our civilization like Adolf Hitler was. We need to be more cold blooded. The purpose of terrorists is to terrorize. Our fear and hysteria plays into the terrorists’ hands. |
The comparison was that the jihadists’ ideology of world domination is irrational just like the Nazis’ and Communists’ ideology of world domination is irrational. |
Hellmut wrote: Comparing Al Qaeda to Adolf Hitler is not useful. They are a band of thugs who might have the capacity to kill us but they are not a threat to the existence of our civilization like Adolf Hitler was. I don’t think Hellmut is being realistic or history-aware here. Don’t forget that the Nazi Party began as a very small group of thugs. The Wikipedia entry for the National Socialist German Workers Party (or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or Nazis) states that: Hitler became the 55th member of the DAP much after many had registered, but he later claimed to be member number seven (he was in fact the seventh executive member of the party’s central committee). Over the following months, the DAP continued to attract new members, while remaining small to have any real significance in German politics. On 24 February 1920, the party added “National Socialist” to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the “Social Revolutionary Party”; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming. One of the advantages of the new name was that it evoked patriotism and appealed to working-class voters without forcing the party to commit to any specific policy (”national socialism” was and remained a rather vague term). In power, the party envoked few socialist measures and cracked down on trade unions. Hitler soon discovered that he had talent as an orator, and his ability to draw new members, combined with his characteristic ruthlessness, soon made him the dominant figure in a small party. There was a beer hall putsch at some point … what they did sounds rather thuggish to me. Just because a group begins small doesn’t mean it isn’t extremely dangerous. My feeling is that al-Qaeda and other similarly minded radical Islamist groups are very dangerous. Their anger, Islamic fervor, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Western, suicidal, nihilistic sentiments may represent a greater threat to “our civilization” than Naziism. |
danithew, The big difference between the Nazis during the 1920s when they were just a band of thugs and Al-Qaida today is that no one overhyped their power. The other problem is that no proponent of Bush’s policies are comparing Al-Qaida to the Nazis of the 1920s, when they were just a party within Germany’s ineffectual system; they are comparing Al-Qaida to the Nazis in full power in 1938, and that is where the comparison fails badly. If you wish to accurately compare the Nazis and Al-Qaida, then please do so correctly. If I recall from my studies of World War II, and from what I’ve read about Hitler’s Nazi party during the 1920s, there was no talk of world domination then. That came only later, when they had real power and saw the potential of their power. Before, during the 1920s, their main drive was ultra-nationalism. They despised what had happened to their great country at the end of World War I, and who could blame them when the travesty of the Great War was not solely Germany’s fault. They tied their anger to racism. But their talk was not of world domination. Al-Qaida also originally was not about world domination, per se, but rather to remove America’s influence from the Middle East. Frankly, that is a very laudable goal. The tools they have employed for that goal have been totally reprehensible, and in the end self-defeating. Al-Qaida is attempting to get more recruits by trying to tie their goals to the Caliph, the Twelfth Imam, something which really scares the heck out of many Westerners—really who knows why. It is a perfect boogeyman for them. It gets just the response they want to see from the West that brings more recruits to them. The Twelfth Imam tie thusly becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. In reality there is no Twelfth Imam. There is no new Caliph. And those in the West who fear this boogeyman really are blinded by their nationalistic fear of the Arabian Islamic culture. What could be is not what will be. |
Sorry Dan, I think the Middle East needs still more rather than less American influence. I’m glad we’ve responded forcefully to al-Qaeda. If then the European response to German nationalist aggression had been as quick, I don’t think it would have terrorized the world as it did. |
danithew, The Middle East does not need more American influence. In fact, it would do better, and be a stronger, more vibrant place the more we stay out. There is a difference between competition and coercion. Our presence in the Middle East leans towards the latter, not the former. It makes it much harder for the countries of the Middle East to properly progress when we sit there propping up these horribly corrupt regimes. What sort of improvements do you see happening in the Middle East? I don’t see that much improvement. As far as German nationalist aggression, well, just when and how did you expect Europe to respond to the Nazi party? You really wanted the rest of Europe to get involved in German internal affairs during the 1920s? What would that have done? Only inflamed German nationalism further. It would have given German nationalists only more fodder to recruit more Germans. Now this comparison is apt with our current situation. By involving ourselves in the internal affairs of the nations of the Middle East, we’ve only given our enemy the very thing they’ve desired: a cause, a reason. But see, again, your point is not clear. When did you expect Europe to have “responded” to German nationalistic aggression? In the 1920s? Or are you talking about 1938? |
btw, thanks for helping me move in. Your assistance was invaluable. |
Al Qaida is an international police problem. Nothing more. It certainly didn’t represent anything to hang our foreign policy hat on. |
I appreciate your effort at historical analogy, Danithew, but if you take a second look, may be, you will agree that there is less there than you had hoped. Hitler had a small organization. Osama ben Laden has a small organization. It does not follow that they are identical or similar. Taking your line of reasoning, we can compare Al Qaeda to any movement in human history. Greenpeace, Catholicism, the labor movement, or the Bountiful police department, they all started small. Besides, in 1923 Hitler was not a menace to civilization. If the state had taken him down, he would have become less than a footnote in history. The point of my argument is that Al Qaeda is a comparatively weak organization. We know that because Al Qaeda is resorting to terrorism. Terrorism is the weapon of the weak. If Al Qaeda were stronger then they would fight guerilla wars, conduct revolutions, take over states, and then invade other countries. The strategy of terrorists is provocation. Terrorists create fear to solicit an outrageous response of the government that will polarize society and strengthen the radicals. When Bush invaded and occupied an oil-rich Arab country, he did Osama ben Laden’s bidding. We need a calculating and cool headed leader who will fight Al Qaeda deliberately and persistently. In that respect, Bush has been a failure. If the next president of the United States properly understands the nature of terrorism, we can do a lot better than during the last five years. Terrorists are a deadly menace to our citizens. But unless we give them a hand, they can neither vanquish our country nor threaten our way of life. It’s up to us to master our emotions, to focus, and to prevail. |