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I was married at 18 in a similar situation as the couple you mentioned earlier. However, we were expecting and weren’t members of the church. It’s been over 10 years now and we are very happy, despite some mutual growing pains we had to go through early on. Please don’t beat yourself up for stressing the right thing to do. I thank god when I look at my life and my family that my parents and my wife’s did so. I think getting married yound falls squarely in line with the Joseph Smith quote you gave. There are times when it will work well and times when people just aren’t ready. We’re all here to learn. |
“But marriage isn’t always the answer in those cirumstances, either.” It seems that this statement points to the heart of the issue. I do not know the circumstances of the marriage that you mentioned (how long they dated, how long they have been married etc.) But at the risk of making some very broad generalizations, I have seen way too many people rush to marriage only to have it end in divorce when the “new car smell” began to wear off, and the bumps in the road begin. People in mormon culture these days do not date for very long. LDSsingles.com, singles wards, well meaning mission president final interviews, and parental encouragement all seem to be vehicles that promote the attitude of “if you are both trying to live the gospel, the happy marriage will follow.” I think that oversimplifies what it takes to make a marriage work. It would be interesting to see the “success rates” on some of the single hook-up methods. What % of ldssingles.com marriages are still married after 3 years or 5 years. |
ilike2spike, gird your loins. |
annegb, you are not alone. my mother-in-law and her sister recently discussed this very topic. they both wish they’d left their adult children alone with their decisions pushing so mightily towards marriage. the carnage the families are picking up is devastating. best wishes to you and yours. |
i mean no disrespect to anyone. it just seems that we rush into relationships as a culture, and that marriage is not something that you want to rush into. |
I don’t think there’s much evidence to support that. I hear a lot more about the evils of rushing into a marriage than I do counsel to get married quick. LDS marriage rates are dropping and happening later and later in life just like with everyone else. And temple marriage is still a much better predictor of whether a marriage will end in divorce or not than length of courtship before marriage. We all want to feel like we have control over the course are lives will take and that if we make our marriage decision wisely enough we can make sure things will work out, but that’s just not so. P.S. A datapoint. At BYU my wife and I both knew within a couple of weeks of dating that we were going to get married but we were too embarrassed, so we kept up the mutual pretense that we were still just exploring our options and thinking things over for a few more months. Those extra months made zero difference to our marriage. We also had a longish engagement, which also made zero difference to our marriage. |
AG does make a good point, I think. I think that it’s a terrible mistake when two people rush into marriage because of cultural or outside social pressures. However, if a man and a woman are in love and they _know_ they are right for each other, there’s nothing wrong with them quickening the pace and getting married quickly. Those are two different scenarios that happen. I was surprised when my sister met someone and just a few short months later was engaged and a few months later they were married. But when I met her fiance, I knew everything was okay. I could feel that it was right and that they were both in the right frame of mind. Now, years later, they are still very happily married. He’s a wonderful husband. |
I started dating my wife in the summer of 1999, proposed to her February of 200, and we were married that spring. I knew I was going to marry her during the long car trip home from our first date when I was audacious enough to HOLD HER HAND! Gasp. I was sitting there thinking, “well Seth now you’ve done it. You’ve committed, and now you’ll have to marry her.” Unfortunately, I never shared this insight with Misty, and she had several painful months wondering if I was really interested or not. 7 years, 3 kids, and we’ve never even had a fight yet. And yes, I am smug. And insufferable. But I also have a passable singing voice. |
P.S. A datapoint. At BYU my wife and I both knew within a couple of weeks of dating that we were going to get married but we were too embarrassed, so we kept up the mutual pretense that we were still just exploring our options and thinking things over for a few more months. Those extra months made zero difference to our marriage. We also had a longish engagement, which also made zero difference to our marriage. My husband and I had a similar experience. We both knew, deep down, that we were going to marry after two or three dates. But I especially was chickenhearted and took a while to come to terms with it. So for several months we would avoid talking about marriage directly, but we often ended up talking about our future together, making plans together with marriage as as the implicit but scary unspoken premise of our discussion. I had always sworn that I would never rush into marriage, but essentially I did, and if I hadn’t been so nervous about it I probably would have married even faster. My husband and I dated for three months and were engaged for four, but we could easily have dated for one month and then been engaged for two, for example, and I don’t think it would have made any difference to our relationship. Especially people who aren’t LDS are often a little politely horrified when I tell them how quickly I married. But I’d be curious about the data on length of courtship and whether there’s any correlation with marriage health or longevity. I suspect from what little I know that age may be a more important factor. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m extremely grateful I didn’t marry at 18. For me anyway, it would have been the wrong time. I was much too young. Still, I know of others who very happily married young. |
There’s a difference between the happy and peaceful courtship you guys had, albeit short, and rushing into marriage because you’ve slept together. Sexual attraction isn’t a sure gauge of marital happiness, that’s for sure. I do think in trying so hard to do the right thing, we all pushed them into doing the wrong thing, for both of them. Choosing to marry is right, feeling forced to marry, no matter how pure the motives, has been, in this case, disastrous. But you know, they were so cute together and I was so blind. |
“7 years, 3 kids, and we’ve never even had a fight yet. And yes, I am smug.” Why would you be smug about your lack of preparedness? The ability to fight with one’s spouse is a life skill that is very valuable and crucial to negotiating the curve balls that life throws at all of us, sooner or later. Not learning to do it leaves a couple vulnerable and unaple to cope. Of course, there are also those couples who claim to “never fight,” but the wife suffers from TMJ or other stress-related conditions from having to always give in. And/or she goes into Relief Society where she very sweetly stabs her husband in the back. |
Naismith, Both of us are highly unconfrontational personalities. The moment one of us gets agitated, the other usually quickly backs down. And it’s not just one or the other of us doing most of the backing-down – it’s pretty even. If anything, I’m the less assertive of the two of us in the relationship. If anything, my wife gets frustrated more by the fact that I’m not more dominant in this household. Both of us are also rather thick-skinned. It’s very hard to offend me, and my wife is pretty-much the same way. We also both have an almost brutally practical side. It’s not a delicate relationship. Of course, you don’t know me or my wife, so you’ll probably have no way of verifying that. Feel free to continue regarding me as a deluded stuffed shirt (which is true) with an oppressed and cowed wife at home (which is not true). If you’d ever met Misty, you’d quickly get the sense that the scenario you’re describing is improbable at best. |
I dunno. Ten years, one kid, and no fights that I can remember, either. I think I’ve got you beat, Seth. |
Adam G. Like you could even know that. |
I think that, generally speaking, the way to go is a longer courtship and a shorter engagement. Once you know that this is the person you really want to spend your life with, you should marry quickly. I remember when my own (now 20 year) marriage began, I was advised against it by a couple of my non-member or non-active member friends. They said, “Slow down, what’s the hurry…” and “Whoah, marriage is a big step, are you sure you’re ready??” I thought it funny to see who these messages were coming from. They were both from people who had been in long-term relationships, both sexually active, and in one case living together and pregnant. I found it humorous that they were both long involved in their own romantic relationships but somehow didn’t want to commit to marriage. |
Bill and I argue every day. No lie. I hate it, but it’s the way it is. So when I read your post, Seth, I thought, “gee, me and Bill are really wrong for each other.” I think it’s all his fault. He’s so OCD and he flies off the handle at the smallest things. He doesn’t hit me or call me names, he just comes unglued if something goes wrong, like spilled milk. Now that’s grounds for divorce if there ever was grounds. He certainly has grounds, also. I used to rip his face off when he came unglued, so it was pretty contentious in our house. Now that I’m older and more tired, I ignore him or I retreat. He’s way better than he used to be. We both have changed a great deal and have met in the middle. I suppose we’ll stay married for another 25 feisty years. But I certainly envy you, Seth. You’re very lucky. |
I agree with annegb, me and my husband aren’t passive personalities, but unlike Annegb, we normally enjoy each others fiesty side. We’ve been married 2 1/2 years with 1 kid and another on the way. We got married really quickly, within a month of engagement..althought we had been friends prior to us deciding to date for a number of years. In anycase, we did have sex before marriage, but we also had never had sex with anyone else and never wanted to with anyone else. To me that was as legal and binding in my heart as the “civil wedding” was. We are working on our temple marriage now, and we’re a very happy couple most of the time, high involvement in the church, and our childrens lives. I can’t say that any of the statistics matter so much as just continually trying each day with your marriage no matter what type of personalities involved. The biggest thing that helps me with thoughts of divorice or feeling like giving up is just waking up each morning and saying to myself before i do scriptures and prayers: I love my husband. I love myself, and I really want to make my marriage last. Making that concious choice each day makes it a lot easier to remember when the days aren’t as easy. I dont know if my husband does this, or if he does it its in his own way and time, but I do know he gives a 110% all the time to our marriage, and that’s the most important thing to me. We were also very young when we married, I was 19 and my husband 18. |
God bless, hon. There is a huge part of me that is so very sad about this. I was looking forward to that little grandbaby. I have such an empty feeling, now. I love my son-in-law. I truly love and like him, despite his faults. But I also respect my daughter’s strength and I’m proud of her. Life is so complicated, I guess it’s just not possible to make blanket statements. I was just thinking, if we had chosen to ignore what they were doing, if the church influence hadn’t been so strong, for all of us and they’d just slept together, this breakup would still have been awful. |
Well anne, life is as you find it. I’ve always valued the stories you have about yours. Keep in mind I never said my marriage was perfect. Just that we don’t fight. I’m a lawyer, you’ve got to read between the lines on my posts. |
It’s sad, but true. The number of divorces is climbing steadily. So what to do after a divorce? Move on as fast as you can and don’t waste anymore time. The soulmate you have been searching for for years might be just around the corner. |
I wonder what or who or how it profits to have these spam posts on a blog. And I wonder if there’s a person sitting on a computer thinking this up. And I would sure hate to do that for a living. Nick and Sarah have both remarried, although they’re still sealed–that’s taking forever to work out! Nick has a beautiful little baby girl. My new son-in-law’s perfect for her—big and goofy and even tempered. My heart still hurts, though. |
I dunno Anne. My 18 year old daughter got married in the temple 6 months ago. They dated for 5 months, engaged 3 months. He looked good on paper. She is cute but annoying. |
I hope it doesn’t either, kid. It’s really hard to watch your kids go through this. And know a lot of the problem is that you screwed up. |
Did you really screw up? I mean, your intent wasn’t to cause pain. You thought you were doing the right thing. The fact it didn’t work out couldn’t be your fault. The two in the marriage are the only ones who have the power to change anything. They could have done all kinds of things to save their marriage. They didn’t. You live in a challenging marriage. It can be done if both want it badly enough. I am thinking you are really, really hard on yourself. Either that or you have super powers that can control the whole world. If so, let me in on your secret. I got some heads I wanna knock some sense into. |
7 years, 3 kids, and we’ve never even had a fight yet. Are we are not playing a game of bullcrap? If so, then here’s where I call “bullcrap!” |