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Wow, good post! I too often think the same way.Somehow in our religion we have way too many of the side dish doctrines trying to be hammered out that we often get away from the basic core doctrines that we know. I have talked to several people over the years that have either fallen away from the church or have not had a viable interest in it because of some of the confusing side dishes we have. For us it’s kind of like a brag or shock factor that we believe in this or we believe in that and people go “wow, that’s weird” and we think in our minds “ya, we are pretty strange, but we are the true church and not very many of you can or will be saved where I am going so have a nice day, and btw, if you ever get over the shock value of some of our churches beliefs maybe you too can come with me in heaven”. The real truth lies in Christ’s teachings himself- “believe and be baptized and be saved or be damned”, no more and certainly no less. I think we spend an overwhelming amount of time trying to have a different doctrine over mainstream christianity when in all reality we all believe in the same doctrine. Too much of our valuable time is spent trying to figure out multi-tierd heavens and salvation without grace or salvation with grace that we cant even believe in the simple core doctrine of either the right hand of god through faith and obedience or the left hand of god by a lack of faith and obedience. Way too much time is also spent on Joseph Smith that no wonder everyone thinks that we worship him. Not to take anything away from JS, but let us focus on Christ. |
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My #2 comment was in response to this statement: “Dr. Broderick argued persuasively that adversity is a good thing to the extent that it helps us focus on these core questions, that center in our relationship to God.” |
Today in our ward program, they reprinted GBH’s testimony from his conference address a while back. It was very powerful to me because he testified of God and of Jesus Christ. When he testified of Joseph Smith and the restoration, he did so in terms of Heavenly Father and Jesus. He reminded me very powerfully just what the core of our church and belief is: Heavenly Father who loves us, and the atonement through Jesus Christ. EVERYTHING ELSE is an appendage to that. The book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, all of that is secondary. They all guide us to Heavenly Father through the atonement of Jesus Christ. And things like the precise location of Eden, or Whether or not Jesus was married is way, way down farther than that on the list. MRKH |
One of the reasons I really like teaching Gospel Principles or Primary is the focus on the doctrinal entrées and not on the side dishes. I am continually surprised how much doctrine there is in the simple things. |
I agree that extra doctrine can be distracting from the essential things. I always liked Lowell Bennion’s summary of the gospel – “Do justly, love mercy.” Sometimes it’s that simple. |
I don’t think it’s really possible to have a testimony of doctrines outside of the core doctrines of the Church, so I don’t think we are even required to accept them as doctrine. |
The only thing that I know from my own personal experience is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught in this church changes people’s lives for the better. I know from asking God that Joseph Smith was his prophet. I know in my heart that Jesus is my Savior. Aside from those things, the rest I take on faith. |
” … the mysteries of the kingdom are who we are, and who God is, and what our relationship to Him is. Those are the mysteries of the kingdom. You can tell somebody in plain English, but they still don’t know in their hearts who they really are.” That strikes me as a very profound basic truth – also as the kind of truth that can be hard to come by. Dan, thank you very much for writing this post. |
Dan (8), I completely agree. I only have a testimony of a handful of things, and they are very basic, core doctrines. I have no idea if Joseph Smith was speculating when he talked about the location of the Garden of Eden or any number of other things, so I choose not to branch out very far from the core doctrines I have some experiential knowledge of. |
It is easy to get caught up in the thick of thin things. I think that is why i love the counsel of Helaman to his sons, in Helaman 5:12. Adversity has its purpose, and if I base my foundation on Jesus Christ and his teachings and example, while i may get beaten and battered, i will learn and be better for it. I enjoyed the first quote from dr. broderick. It took me back in my thoughts. I remeber leaving the temple for the first time and thinking – that is it? I thought i would be taught fantastic things that I hadnt heard before. It is funny to think back on that, and to the arrogance of a 19 year old who thought he new everything and knew he was ready for more – for the real meat of the gospel. Looking back, I had the meat all along, i just didnt recognize that i had it. |
Wonderful post, Dan. His books have helped me. Dallas, I loved your comment. Doesn’t that say it all? I got into kind of a shouting match yesterday in Relief Society with the Stake Relief Society president, who I visit teach. We were talking about visiting teaching and arguing the three month rule. Reading this, I realize that is the thick of thin things. I need to stop arguing with people. I think the general authorities try to bring arguments over doctrine back to the Savior. Really good post. |
Dan, #10
I’ve learned through experience that we really don’t know enough about ourselves, other humans, how things work, how the world really works, why things happen, to make any rash absolute judgment on any given situation. I commented on the T&S thread about “Church Doctrine” saying this same thing. Take for instance the new study by an economist about exposure to lead early in life leading to a greater amount of violence later in life. That has serious implications on how much free agency we really have when chemicals alter our brains just enough so that we have a higher preponderance towards violence. There is SO MUCH that we still don’t understand about our bodies and how they react to the world and environment around them. How could we say much of anything with any real authority? |
Carlfred Broderick is amazing. His essay in A Thoughtful Faith really helped me sort through my own struggles with faith. Ellsworth, this is a great post. I wonder if the problem is institutional or individual. Is there something more the Church needs to do to focus on Christ, or is it individuals? |
Annegb, what is the 3 month rule? |
This is an excellent post. #14, I think it’s more individuals. As someone said above, the leaders usually bring things back to the Savior, to our core doctrines. When I was on my mission, our area president basically told us that anything outside of the basic principles we were teaching was something that wasn’t necessary for us to know. If we stuck with the basics, we’d be safe. (Wish I could remember how he said it all, but the concept has stuck with me.) |
Tagore (14), I think the burden is mostly on the individual, but wow- it would really be nice to get a statement to the effect of “If it was not taught in the Ensign in the past 5 years, it’s not doctrine, it does not reflect our current understanding and you are not required to believe it.” |
m&m (16), Your story reminded me of my mission as well; when I was a zl in my mission, I had a feeling that my missionaries had developed an unhealthy appetite for obscure doctrinal commentary, like those weird talks that get passed around among missionaries. In our next zone meeting, I asked my missionaries to drop all of that stuff and get back to the basics; I told them that they could spend all their time studying faith and hardly scratch the surface of what that concept means. A week or so later, we went to a mission-wide conference and my mission president (known for dabbling in obscure doctrinal subjects) had prepared a several-hour long doctrinal presentation called “Focus on the Basics.” I couldn’t stop smiling the whole day. |
One reason we members might struggle with focusing on gospel basics more than members of other Christian faiths is our obsession with truth claims. When truth takes priority over goodness, we end up spending a lot of time on Joseph Smith and the historicity of the Book of Mormon instead of focusing on our relationship with Christ. This is not to suggest that having a testimony of those things is unimportant. But at the end of the day, how Christlike I lived my life will matter much more than how much evidence I’ve accumulated to prove the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. |
Great post, Dan Ellsworth. You raise some very good points. I think that it’s important to realize that there is no standard testimony. Some doctrines — even that of the atonement of Jesus — might be accepted just because they’re consistent with many of the others. One may, for example, have a strong testimony of the priesthood or of the church organization or of specific ordinances or of the edifying nature of church fellowship, yet still have a bunch of doubts about all this hocus-pocus about saving mankind from his basic nature which pits him against the forces of good in the universe. And that’s fine. Furthermore, most people in the English-speaking world who join the church already believe in the atonement of Jesus, so that when they join Mormonism, they join it for reasons that compliment their current belief. For example, that the ordinances and authority of the church are actually able to effect the hocus-pocus that saves mankind from his basic nature which pits him against the forces of good in the universe. And that’s fine, too. Plus, if someone asks me to explain Mormonism, and I just respond by telling them everything that we believe in common with mainstream Christianity, they’ll start to think that I’m not answering the question. And they’ll be right. I know a women who recently went to Temple Square and saw all of the hogwash they recently put up about Jesus in place of the stuff about Joseph Smith. Her question to me was, “What are they trying to hide?” And I do start to get a bit suspicious when I hear Mormons emphasizing how central the atonement of Jesus is to our faith, because more often than not, they’re using weasel words. In my experience, people talk crap about Mormonism and Jesus primarily to marginalize our claim to authority and modern day prophecy — both of which are as essential to salvation as Jesus’s very own atonement. And look at Jesus himself. Jesus didn’t spend a whole hell of a lot of time talking about his pending sacrifice to save mankind from his basic nature which pits him against the forces of good in the universe. Jesus himself spent most of his time advancing 1st century jewish moral doctrines and trying to criticize a church structure that he believed to be corrupt — what we Mormons call “doctrine.” Thus, this mantra, “Jesus above all else,” is a lie, and a lie that Joseph Smith died trying to repudiate. It should be, “Jesus, alongside Mormonism’s distinctive claims concerning authority, prophecy, and the very nature of salvation.” That’s what the blood of martyrs was slain for. |
I agree that the claims to authority are essential; I also believe that the primary reason for that authority is to lead people toward a correct concept of God and their relationship to Him, as opposed to a correct concept of the location of the Garden of Eden. There definitely is much more to our faith than a correct concept of Christ, but that is the most important of all our propositions. The reality of Christ is something we have in common with all other Christian faiths, but his nature is a different matter entirely, and we have a very unique message — the most important one — in that regard. |
Dan Ellsworth, I neglected to mention what I thought was the best point in your post; viz., the mystery of plan of salvation is who we are. I think it’s true both individually and as a group — specifically as a would-be Zion people. |
Well, Katie, the “instruction” in the handbook is that we should visit every month, but if it is impossible, to call or send a card. AND we should visit face to face every three months. Sigh. . .could it get more confusing? I guess it’s a free agency thing because it’s totally up to interpretation and no matter how many heads I bang against the wall, I still have otherwise faithful sisters who insist their stewardship is to only visit every three months. I want to ask “are we in Africa or Alaska?” I actually think visiting teaching, the way it is, is obsolete and something just has to be done. My friend and I are still friends by the way and I am so going to work on keeping my mouth shut. I told somebody today I wish I’d get my voice box removed and he said, “you’d just find another way.” |
The mysteries of the Kingdom, indeed, are different than what we might expect. Brigham Young: “I will here remark, that it is natural for the people to desire to know a great deal of the MYSTERIES…The greatest mystery a man ever learned, is to know how to control the human mind, and bring every faculty and power of the same in subjection to Jesus Christ; this is the greatest mystery we have to learn while in these tabernacles of clay,” (Journal of Discourses 1:46). Also, Elder Eyring’s admonition came to mind: “Because we need the Holy Ghost, we must be cautious and careful not to go beyond teaching true doctrine. The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of Truth. His confirmation is invited by our avoiding speculation or personal interpretation. That can be hard to do. You love the person you are trying to influence. He or she may have ignored the doctrine they have been taught. It is tempting to try something new or sensational. But we invite the Holy Ghost as our companion when we are careful to teach [and I might add, when we believe,] only true doctrine. One of the surest ways to avoid even getting near false doctrine is to choose to be simple in our teaching. Safety is gained by that simplicity, and little is lost…We can teach even a child to understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ. It is therefore possible, with God’s help, to teach the saving doctrine simply.” [Henry B. Eyring, The Power of Teaching Doctrine; Ensign, May, 1999] I’ve done a few posts about this issue lately; thanks for the awesome insights. |
Life, Those are great quotes. Unfortunately, the Eyring quote stands in repudiation of so much of Brigham Young’s teachings; it’s a good thing our current leaders have learned from his mistakes. |
I have to somewhat disagree. Though Brigham spent time speculating- indeed much moreso than recent prophets- his best discourses are powerful evidence of his prophetic calling. His best stuff was the simple stuff. And he spent more time on the basics than he did on speculation. Much more. It is a shame he has fallen under what I see as a reputation of speculation out of preportion to what he deserves. |
Parenthetically, Dan, that is the reason I undertook my recent blog project. Reading the Journal of Discourses entire and selecting the purest doctrinal points I can find. It has been quite enlightening. |
Life, Point taken. I do need to undertake a more thorough study of him; several LDS thinkers who I highly respect have great things to say about him. |
No sweat; for the most part I was a little reluctant to undertake the reading. Now I have a better understanding of Pres. Young. He’s funny, too. |