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Bah, sounds like another version of Unitarianism to me. |
I am a daytime vegetarian. But that’s more about keeping daily calorie count down in an effort to get fit than it is about ideology. I still eat meat not sparingly several evenings a week. I’m thinking that being a weekday vegetarian would be a good next step and would help me be more healthy, but that would require getting the wife on board. |
Tom, the “daytime vegetarian” and “weekday vegetarian” terms are interesting as well – as a means to control or further limit meat intake without completely taking those options off the table. I’ll have to ponder those as additional possibilities. |
Yeah. The thing is, I really like meat. But I’m now sort of seeing it as a treat that I earn by eating super healthy during the day. I also like to pig out. When I really like dinner I want to stuff myself. If I’m really good during the day it doesn’t kill me to overeat a bit at dinner. That’s probably not the absolute most healthy way to eat, but I’ve lost 50 lbs. since March and I’m stronger, more energetic, and more cardio- fit than I’ve been in years, so it’s working for me. |
I’m a little surprised this is considered a useful word. To me it amounts to the same thing as saying “I don’t eat much meat.” Not that it applies to me. I’m a comma removed kinda guy myself. |
I guess I’m going to hell. Meat is just too tasty to give up. As far as the “sparingly” thing is concerned, I believe I remember one time in a gospel doctrine class up in Boston we talked about it, and someone with more knowledge about the period stated that back in Joseph Smith’s time, they consumed an inordinate amount of meat in every meal. So I wonder if we’re not actually eating sparingly these days as is. |
I like the term. My wife and I don’t eat much meat and basically only eat it when we go out to eat. We have it at home for cooking when people come over, but in a normal week we consume very little. It is not for health reasons, but for the fact that neither of us really like it that much. |
It’s interesting to hear the reasons have for not eating meat or eating less meat. They seem to boil down to: 1) Eating meat is unethical (because animals are mistreated or because it’s wrong to kill animals). 2) Meat isn’t appealing or “I don’t like meat.” 3) Eating meat is unhealthy or less healthy. Not sure if I’m missing any additional arguments. |
Hey? Being the Mormon newbie, I thought everyone attended the temple, wore garments, listend to Donny Osmond, and abided by the Word of Wisdom.
I guess that’s why the Mormon population is growing so fast here in Alaska. |
So, what does the the “not” and the comma mean in verse 13? Does it mean that meat should not only be used in times of winter, or of cold, or famine but at other times as well, or does it mean that it is only to be used in times of winter, or of cold, or famine? Any 19th century grammarians out there? |
danithew, there’s one more major reason people don’t eat meat: for the environment. (what with the land-use for cows, the feeding, what cows emit into the atmosphere, all that goes into the transportation, etc. they say that most of the greenhouse gasses are coming from livestock) with that said, I am in fact a flexetarian and a mormon. my main push into this whole thing was because I saw the benefit in eating like a vegetarian (come on, most people do not eat enough veggies) but I really don’t have anything against meat. thus, I eat it sparingly! hurrah!! |
A lot of Green House Gasses are from Cows but 95% of green house gasses are water vapor. Decomposing leaves, etc. produce more co2 then all man made sources put together. It is by far the largest source of co2 emissions. (Sorry for getting off subject). Google “Great Global Warming Swindle” |
This kind of describes my wife’s approach to the Word of Wisdom. Her flex “rules” allow for any amount of drinking when not on U.S. soil, but will only allow for drinking on 1-2 pre-designated days per year while on U.S. soil, usually a holiday or wedding of some significance that involves non-LDS friends. Me? I take a pre-Heber J. Grant approach to the WoW and drink in moderation regardless of the soil I’m standing on. I might make an exception to my flex/moderation rule and really get loaded were I ever to find myself in Germany during Oktoberfest, or Brazil during Mardi Gras, or China during Chinese New Year, or in Ireland just on principle… but none of those opportunities have presented themselves yet… |
(Back on topic) I found an interesting dietary regimen called Fruitarianism. I remember the term used differently in a comedy staring Hugh Grant:
You gotta love English humor. I actually considered this once. But I was living in SoCal at the time and there are hardly any trees, let alone trees with fruit on them ready to die just so I can eat them. |
danithew, I’m vegetarian. Your 8(1) captures why I started (though it’s a pretty cursory rendering of what I felt and thought). Your 8(3) is what I found after I began. |
Can anyone refer me to a good history on the evolution of the WW? I’m wondering when we went from drinking wine of your own make to total abstention. |
Jota G, Paul H. Peterson’s “An Historical Analysis of the Word of Wisdom” is still probably the best resource. It was originally written as a thesis in 1972 by Paul while at BYU for a masters or doctorate in History. It has since been published in both hardback (approx $40) and paperback (approx $20) and makes a nice reference for personal Mormon library. You can order it from Benchmark Books. But I also think you can find it for free online, though at 100+ pages it would be difficult to read on screen. Leonard Arrington’s “Great Basin Kingdom” has some interesting W.o.W. related anecdotes from the early Salt Lake period of Mormon History. Finally, though I haven’t read it, Lester Bush wrote a Dialogue article from Autumn 1981 called “The Word of Wisdom in Early Nineteenth Century Perspective” that is probably pretty good. Also available online here: http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&CISOPTR=6654 |
Someone wrote a post on a related topic a few months back that I found quite stunning in both its intellectual depth and poignancy: http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/03/23/vegetarianism-and-me-a-call-for-acceptance.htm |