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I gotta say, BYU TV has done a marvelous job with broadcasting the conference over the Internet. The sound quality is excellent. |
I like what Quentin Cook said about being able to raise a family anywhere in the world. That means I don’t have to move back to Utah. Phew! :) |
Tag – We were all dreading your move ;) |
Elder Cook mentioned the “diversity” in the Bay Area in a positive sense. That’s probably a first in conference. (Technically, he was talking about the diversity of the members.) |
I don’t understand Julie Beck’s statements on motherhood in the eternities; she says that women who do not have children in this life will somehow have that opportunity in the next. Does that mean motherhood in the millenium, or the silent motherhood of Mother in Heaven? Or motherhood in some other sense we don’t know about? |
I’m expecting a full-on firestorm about Julie Beck’s statement about motherhood. |
DKL – Bednar is going to get the treatment as well. He said the word ‘Mother’. |
I don’t know if there will be a firestorm about Julie Beck’s talk. I know that it made me uncomfortable (since I’m dealing with some difficulties with children and am easily persuaded that I really blew it in my motherly duties, particular that one about order). So I left the room where I was watching Conference and pulled up a talk my uncle John Groberg gave awhile ago. |
Bednar is being pretty straightforward. No stories, analogies, etc. I wonder if he received a lot of negative feedback from the pickle talk. |
[...] It’s a beautiful cool, but sunny Sunday morning here in the heart of California’s Central Coast–or as we like to say–just another dull day in Paradise. The Fourth Session of Conference is about to begin, and I’m enjoying the Choir’s singing on Music and the Spoken Word. It’s a very calm and peaceful way to begin such a Sunday morning. For ‘nacle discussions of this morning’s session, see Times and Seasons, and Mormon Mentality. [...] |
I like Pres. Hinckley’s candor; in essence: “I’m tired of trying to come up with something new to say every time I speak. I’ll just go ahead and repeat a previous talk.” When you’ve spoken in GC more than 200 times, I guess you will get to that point. |
Speaking of coming up with something new to say everytime you speak, some make a better effort to do so than others. When I was in the MTC, Merrill Bateman came and spoke at a devotional and told a story about a disabled little girl. About a year later, I was on my mission in Japan when he was called into the area presidency in East Asia. He came to our mission and told the same story. A couple of years later, I was at BYU, and he became president of BYU. At his first devotional, he told the same story yet again. Don’t get me wrong– it was a great story. I just hoped to hear something new from the guy at some point. |
Regarding Sister Beck’s talk on motherhood, I think a lot of people are going to have a hard time with it. How do you “prepare for motherhood,” other than working on your personal growth and development, and how does that process differ substantively between men and women? |
I thought the distinction about there being a potential difference between having clean hands and a pure heart was pretty effective. I’ll have to go back and read the talk … but that was a nuanced but powerful approach to take on that subject. |
I was listening to a podcast of General Conference and at one point between talks or before a talk, I heard audience laughter. I had no idea what they were laughing about. I looked it up online, and it appears President Hinckley playfully tapped Elder Eyring on the head with his cane, as if he were dubbing him into his new role. This episode had me kind of imagining what it would be like if the Quorum of the Twelve had some kind of traditional prank they pull on a new member. I imagine it would be an opportunity to do something pretty funny. But of course we’d never hear anything about it. There’s my random thought of the day. |
Margaret, it often strikes me as strange that women in our church, perhaps our society, seem to have some special privilege to feel guilty. If, for example, a man were to respond to the regular admonitions given to fathers by saying, “The last thing I need is another guilt trip,” my response would be, “Don’t be a wuss.” It’s as though women are expected to feel inadequate, and everyone is supposed to coddle them when they do. Or perhaps ‘its that we imagine that there is some entitlement to feel like everything is just great, whether it is or not. I don’t know that I agree with Sister Beck’s talk. I must admit to being a bit relieved that my daughters didn’t happen to be paying close attention. But surely we can disagree with her and stake out our own moral landscape regarding sex-based roles with confidence rather than insecurity. That’s one thing that no church authority can take away. |
DKL, I think the problem lies in Sis. Beck talking about being “the best” at motherhood; those two words imply that one’s mothering can be measured, and what metrics are there for assessing one’s competence as a mother? |
DKL–your response would work for me on another day. I am keeping my private life private, but my little family has been through hell this week. I think I could listen to Julie Beck’s talk another time and just take it at face value, realizing that it was not meant to accuse me or anyone else of anything. But I wonder how many other women have also had hellish weeks and were looking forward to Conference for solace. I wonder how many others decided to leave the room as her talk continued. Women in the Church are socialized into feeling guilt. One of the great challenges in our future will be to undo that socializing, bolster sisterhood, and teach women how to move beyond self-condemnation to gratitude. Superlatives like “best homemakers” (which Sister Beck thinks Mormon women need to be–and which she also said in the RS Conference) create a sense of competition, and competition implies that some are winners and others are not. (So are the non-winners failures?) And when her standards for “the best” mention all of the traditional homemaking skills rather than what we really aim for–a perfect love for and from Christ which empowers our efforts, soothes our pains, and makes our inadequacies sufficient–somebody’s got the wrong manual. I don’t actually think you would see a man who was in pain and tell him, “Don’t be a wuss.” I think you’d recognize what he actually needed. Unkind words wouldn’t do it. |
I’m guessing that Sister Beck’s talk is going to see more analysis than any other talk that was given at General Conference. She dealt with the whole package of potential female gender roles. Naturally that is going to be controversial. |
Nicely put Margaret. I’m sorry your family had such a rough week. |
Margaret, I’m sorry to hear you’ve had a bad week. I understand that our recent past can have a bigger impact on how we view conference than many factors relating to actual content. I don’t relate that kind of thing to the larger issue of guilt among women in our church. Regarding the more general issue of women and guilt, I’m not sure that I agree that women in the church are socialized into feeling guilt as such. I’m pretty sure that some people are more prone to guilt (or, what’s related, perfectionism) than others. It’s difficult for me to understand, but I see this in one of my own daughters, and it’s something that I need learn to have patience with and to approach compassionately. With regard to actual socialization, however, I think that people who have strong senses of guilt tend to have more extreme reactions to authority — whether on the side of undue regard or antagonism. So that there’s a broader problem of the church socializing sisters in an environment of presiding (male) priesthood authorities that leads to a more specific problem of guilt. And I really don’t have a high tolerance for men who complain. I realize that everyone’s situation is unique, and there are some men in exceptional situations. But if I may make a generalization: Pain is what makes us men. To complain about it is to complain about being a man. That said, it’s possible to talk about and share this pain without complaining (that’s the lesson of Fight Club.) I do have a concern that every time there is a talk about motherhood in General Conference there is a firestorm. It sometimes makes me wonder why they even try to address the issue at all. Dan, I can see why the best thing might create a problem if taken literally. |
A lot of people are encouraging each other to “take Sis. Beck’s words in the right spirit,” and such. There definitely is truth to that, but often a speaker’s tone and choice of words makes it significantly more difficult than it needs to be. And I know, I say that as the staunchest defender of Boyd K. Packer in the bloggernacle. |
Oh, no. More anti-intellectualism. Dissing science in favor of inspiration. Is he going to explain why inspiration is a poor way to discover truth when it comes to detecting conmen? |
I like almost everything Elder Hales said about personal revelation. But I’m not sure his definition of what constitutes a miracle is very helpful (or accurate). He said that miracles are most often spiritual assuances of things, answers to prayers, etc. But doesn’t this water-down the definition of miracle to include almost everything? And if everything is a miracle, essentially nothing is a miracle. Usually spiritual assuances are just that– spiritual assuances. I don’t think it makes them any less important or meaningful by not calling them miracles. |
If anyone saw the news conference yesterday (Oct 6th). Elder Eying talked about revelation in a different context. More of a discussion type of revelation. Elder Hales was just talking about a more divine and direct revelation. I guess God really does work in many different ways. |
With the significant population of members in Latin America, it’s good to see more Latin American GAs speaking. |
I agree, Tagore. I think that the next constructive step down this path is to lift the ban on hot beverages that are predominantly from Latin and South America. |
Another Latin American! Amazing! Does anyone have a count on this? |
Was Mr. Judd just talking about Mormon Teaching Kosher Style. Never mixing you Gospel Meat with Gospel Milk. |
Elder Tenorio is really funny guy. He spoke at our Stake General Conference along with Elder Nelson. |
DKL, I think that the ban on matte and such is already about on the level of not drinking Coke. |
Elder Callister said that truth doesn’t depend on how many people know it. Reminds me of a small rural village we visited once in Zimbabwe. There was a small branch of the Church there, meeting in a two-room house, with a sheet hanging in the window on which they had painted “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” I’ll never forget a simple phrase of the branch president: “We are not many, but we have the truth.” Of course, I guess the Branch Davidians probably say the same thing. |
I like this talk on service. |
Hey… speaking of Africa. Elder Snow spoke at our branch in Uganda several years ago. |
Oaks’ talk on doing the best rather than doing the good is really good (perhaps the best?). I’m hoping that the rest of the church leaders are listening. Hopefully, it diminishes their tendency to discipline LDS scholars. I have stated before how much distaste I have for the notion that Oaks states, “Nobody dies wishing they’d spent more time at the office.” Plenty of people die wishing they could have provided a better life and a better future for their families. |
I wonder how applicable the data on family time Elder Oaks cites is to countries other than the US. I think many other cultures do a lot better with family meals than the US. I’d be interested to know if the decline of family time is a worldwide trend. |
“Surfing the Internet is not better than serving the Lord.” But what about surfing the Internet to serve the Lord? |
Oaks just sited the song (and album) by Roger Waters “Amused to Death,” which sites idleness and its accompanying frivolity as the end of humanity? Does that mean that he’s a Pink Floyd fan? If so, is it safe to conclude that he sides on the Roger Waters side in the dispute between him and David Gilmour? He also just stated that the curriculum materials are inspired. Hmmm. |
Is it “Good” to Read the Blogernacle while watching conference. Or is it “Best”? I think it’s “Better”. I should start preparing for dinner. |
Oaks has also quoted John Lennon in a previous Conference (although did not cite him). He must be a Beatles and Floyd fan. I like that. |
Is playing the Wii with your children “Good” or “Best”? Seems to me that’s a wonderful Family Home Evening. |
Has anyone read the new Joseph Smith Manuel? I hear there are some subjects brought up in there that will foster openness. |
Okay, after all that has been said about Sis. Beck’s talk, I really liked her discussion of priorities and her disdain for excessive consumption and materialism. That was nice to hear. |
“This episode had me kind of imagining what it would be like if the Quorum of the Twelve had some kind of traditional prank they pull on a new member.” One of the current apostles (Bednar?) once said in general conference that the newest apostle has to give the lesson at his first weekly quorum meeting. Another inside thing might be coming up with a way that he would eat a Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup |
About the Beck talk and guilt: I think there is definitely an issue of guilt socialized into Mormonism. As a young women I was always annoyed or confused when women would apologize for their messy houses when we came over. I couldn’t understand why anyone would need apologizing, and most of the time they were clean enough by my standards. In fact, I swore that I wouldn’t do that apologizing when I had my own house. But, of course I do. I feel guilty about breakfast dishes in the sink, or a floor that hasn’t seen a mop in a week. If that was what Sis. Beck was talking about, then that’s lame. I already feel guilty and don’t want to. |
I think that it’s worth noting that one member of the General Relief Society Presidency is a single woman who has never had children (would anyone care to speculate what her reaction to the talk was?). The other is Costa Rican. I think that Sister Beck may be less out of touch than many people are assuming. |
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What if God came down to the world to tell us His plan, and gave us commandments, and everyone hated His words, and they killed Him? |