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There are two prohibitions in the WoW that I lament from time to time- table wine, and cigars. In Iraq, there was a group of guys in my office who would go outside at night about once a week to just smoke Dominican cigars and talk about life; it looked like such a wonderful activity. |
Nice, Dave. |
The second monday of October is also Thanksgiving Day in Canada. It’s also known as “Dia de la Raza” in Latin America. |
or as some Native Americans call it “Indigenous People’s Day” or as the Venezuelans celebrate it the DÃa de la Resistencia IndÃgena (Day of Indigenous Resistance)… Take your pick. |
Table wine? I had a neighbor who temporarily left the church because he wanted to get into wine tasting. I tried a couple of the non-alcoholic bottles he had: they were both pretty vile. I don’t know if his “appreciation” of those was willful ignorance or wishful apostasy or if my taste buds are simply not refined. If I could “modify” the WoW, I think I’d add in Guiness. I’ve known a few guys who made a pint of real Irish stout sound like the kind of earthy pleasure that really floats my boat. Of course, I’ve never actually tasted a Guiness, so it might be similar to my wine experience, alas. |
So THAT’S why the mail didn’t come. |
One of my life goals is to continue to be employed by institutions that take Columbus Day off. I had a similar goal for Evacuation Day (a holiday for only Suffolk County in Massachusetts) but realized I’d likely have to work in state government the rest of my life. And that’s just not going to happen (if there’s a merciful God, anyway). |
Hey guys, the ACTUAL Word of Wisdom already supports all this wishful thinking about beer: “All grain is good for the food of man…and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain. And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones; And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;…” So, I say, go seek hidden treasures at the bottom of that mug full of delcious Irish stout. The Lord says you can, even if Pres. Hinckley disagrees. |
Shamefully unacknowledged, unfortunately, beer is just as much an acquired taste as wine. But you’re right about a pint of real Irish stout: it’s really amazing. I love Guiness. Oatmeal stout is also quite good — same rich bitter malt, but with a creamy mouth-feel. Dan Ellsworth, I couldn’t agree more. Wine and tobacco are tops. But I fear that it’s too much to ask that they lift the ban on wine or tobacco. All I ask is that they lift the ban of coffee. Is that too much to ask? The church has had such strong growth in so many nations where coffee is a major money-making export. It’s time that we assumed a dietary stance that is less threatening to the economic well-being of these nations. It’s the fair thing to do. Ben There, I like your line of reasoning. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to start drinking beer before the church changes it’s policy. But I like your reasoning. |
Exactly. It was all on board the Santa Maria, which unfortunately ran aground and all the mail was lost. DKL: I agree on the coffee, and if they lifted tobacco, my vice would likely be a pipe, rather than a cigar. |
DKL: Coffee is to Venezula as Beer is to Ireland. Lift the ban on beer and watch missionary baptisms skyrocket there, too! :) P.S. I don’t drink beer either these days, but when the church changes its policy, I’d like to buy you a beer. |
My daughter once asked me, “Mom, if you could ask Jesus just one question, what would it be?” And I answered, “I would ask, ‘Can I please have a beer?’” |
My father was at his worst when he drank. Not sayin’ y’all will get abusive if you drink, but just that it does exacerbate the worst of a person. I’m glad that alcoholic beverages are banned by the WoW. Interestingly though, even without the ban, for me, the son of an alcoholic, I’ve never had even the slightest desire for alcohol (and an even stronger aversion to tobacco—who can stand that smell???). Statistics show that generally kids of alcoholic parents tend to become alcoholics themselves. |
I love the smell of good quality tobacco. Cheap tobacco, not so much. |
I hate the smell of tobacco smoke, but the cigars my buddies smoked had a smell that I absolutely loved. |
Wine. That would be my thing. I have a friend who joined the church as an adult. He said that the only thing he missed from his former life was wine with dinner. I could really get into the culture of wine. In the end however, it is probably good that I don’t drink wine or coffee because I’m a major food snob. I would only drink the best stuff and would probably go bankrupt doing so. While I don’t drink wine, I will cook with it (even though I readily acknowledge the alcohol doesn’t all cook off). I don’t use alcohol in food that does not require cooking the alcohol. I guess we all set our own lines. I did, however, have a rum cake once that someone brought to work. It was so good that I ate a couple of pieces. I thought the rum was baked into the cake. It wasn’t until later that I found out that you make rum cake by pouring rum over the fully baked cake. While I won’t make that mistake again, I savor the memory. |
Ann, someday, when we’re I’m resurrected, I hope to be a bartender again. Then I can serve all of my resurrected friends a beer — not that my beers would compete with Christ’s beers, but still… |
Back in ’92, I considered making a trip to the Dominican Republic to celebrate the quincentennial of Columbus’ landing. Instead of celebration, chestbeating about the evils of European expansion were the order of the day, so I’m mostly glad I saved my money and stayed home. |
I wonder if his temple work has been done? I wonder what goes through his mind when he looks beyond the veil at the world he discovered. |
vodka. |
“Hispania” is the ancient name of the Iberian Peninsula, try Hispaniola. |
If Joseph Smith could run and tend a bar (which he did), I think it’d be a suitable millenial or celestial occupation. Run with it! As for alcohol bringing out the worst in people, for some people that is true. For others, not so much. We should all know our own needs and limits and act responsibly. |
MAC, thanks for the correction — reminds me of the joke from Arrested Development about Portugal being in South America. It’s all too obvious sometimes that I write posts mostly from memory. |
Oh-fercryin’outloud. All this lusting-in-your-heart after tobacco, alcohol, and coffee. It’s just all too similar to other kinds of lusting-in-your-heart stuff. I hate it when the liquor shelves of a grocery store face the soda-pop and snacks shelves in the same aisle. I’d rather avoid than suffer through the temptation of renewing my old acquaintances with Jim, Johnny, Jack, Ron, the Captain, and Julio. May they all rot in aich-ee-double-hockey-sticks. |
Ben There is correct. The WoW specifically allows for “mild barley drinks”. The difference between mild drinks and strong drinks is whether there has been a distillation process. The WoW also specifically mentions wine and that we should drink it. |