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I’m no philosopher, but I’ve often felt that God is actually a micromanager and ignores the macro events. Meaning, God is intimately concerned with where we live and where we work and who we interact with, and the large events are the results of people either following or disobeying his counsel for their lives. God, being all-knowing, anticipates what we’re likely to do anyway, so he can guide us through the minefield… To put all this into an example, I wonder if God truly cares who wins the 2008 election, but I know that he is concerned with where I work and where I choose to live, because when I’ve fasted and prayed over those issues, I’ve gotten clear answers… |
Thanks DKL – I agree with Queuno that God is a micromanager when required, although even this is quite limited, but not really that involved in the big picture things. I figure he probably does not care who won in Afghanistan, but was saddened by the death and destruction. WWII may be an exception, although realistically, the allies were going to win, it was just a matter of time. It would be interesting to get someone’s opinion on this like the prophet – that would be fascinating. |
I have a much different take on this. God’s grace (help) occurs on the micro and macro level but not as a “manager” or as an enforcer of His will or as DKL puts it wants. His mercy has spared nations and peoples and me on my sick bed. Evil also occurs on the micro and macro level with all the consequences. Marcia |
One could argue survivorship bias plays the biggest role in helping humans determine what God really wants. God apparently wanted both the Nazi’s defeated and European national sporting rivalries changed. German claims to cosmic goodness were premature while the American’s were spot o–but either side’s were as likely to prove accurate as the proverbial monkey’s and his dart. If GWB’s mismanaged war on terror is really what God wants we’ll all know in another hundred years–and people with my views will be condemned to the ash heap of history. Make no mistake, God is, if not arbitrary and capricious, incomprehensible. And mere mortals are probably presumptuous to expect or desire anything more. |
DKL, I’m convinced that you just don’t come across well on-line sometimes, but you often have excellent thoughts to share. As time passes, I think you are doing better and better that way, or maybe everyone is just getting used to you. I’m glad to see you’ve kept blogging rather than go away. |
I am going to have to think about this one, David. Because why isn’t God on the side of the sufferers? Sudan, Holocaust, me, we all have to wait to long on God. I’m perturbed at him today. |
Understanding God’s omniscience (knowledge and foreknowledge) and God’s power seem beyond human grasp. Some people, even LDS, profess that God can’t know the future with exactness, because that would negate our agency. I don’t agree with that view. Doctrine and Covenants says that we should “confess his hand in all things.” That which he doesn’t cause to happen, then at least, as a supreme all-powerfull being, he allows to happen. I think it’s dangerous to say “‘Tis the will of Allah” in response to every negative event. But even the Apostle Paul said that everything works to the good of those that believe. |
Thanks for the responses, everyone. I intended this piece to be more about the way that people (including our enemies, our adversaries, our allies, and ourselves) invoke God than about how God actually works. |
BTW, that is Ethesis, not Ephesis ;) |
Duly noted and corrected. Thanks for the heads up. Thanks also, Stephen, for the kind words in your comments and for asking me to do the guest post in the first place. |
Well I only invoke God when I’m absolutely sure he agrees with me. (He agrees with me a lot.) |
Funny, #1 and #2, I actually think that God is most active in macro events and lets us with our agency play out the rest within the broad parameters that he sets. |
Everyone lays some claim to cosmic goodness — from utter lunatics, like the president of Iran, to otherwise reasonable folks like British Prime Ministers and American Presidents; And there there are some American Presidents that are also utter lunatics. |
“One could argue survivorship bias plays the biggest role in helping humans determine what God really wants.” This is just another example of man creating God in his image. |
Mark N., in a large, diverse republic, it is usually the virulent, extremist members of the opposition — those who refuse to admit that there is room for honest disagreement about the issues about which they feel strongly — who come closest to lunacy. Perhaps you should be more judicious about the labels you use to describe those with whom you disagree. |