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You ask some good questions. Why hasn’t anyone ever seen Joseph’s ghost? |
I don’t go to haunted mansions. I prefer to scare the hell out of myself by watching scary movies. Sometimes with the sound off but still….. I stayed in a haunted hotel in Evanston, Wyoming, once and it really was haunted. I felt the spirits there and we had some haunted experiences. |
Actually, they have DKL. Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner reported the following in a 1905 talk at BYU: “I want to say to you as I said before that Joseph said if I was faithful, I should see greater things than the angel. Since then I have seen other persons, three came together and stood before me just as the sun went down—Joseph, Hyrum and Heber C. Kimball. It was prophesied that I should see Joseph before I died. Still, I was not thinking about that. I was thinking about a sermon I had heard. All at once I looked up and they stood before me. Joseph stood in the middle in a circle like the new moon and he stood with his arms over their shoulders. They bowed to me about a dozen times or more. I pinched myself to be sure I was awake, and I looked around the room to see where I had placed things. I thought I would shake hands with them. They saw my confusion and understood it and they laughed, and I thought Brother Kimball would almost kill himself laughing. I had no fear. As I went to shake hands with them, they bowed, smiled and began to fade. They went like the sun sinks behind a mountain or a cloud. It gave me more courage and hope than I ever had before.” Mary Elizabeth was one of Joseph’s wives. You can read the full account here: |
Maybe we need to talk about a difference between “spirits” and “ghosts” … or maybe there is no difference at all. We certainly have our share of “angel stories” … I love reading stories about Joseph Smith. MCQ, thanks for the link you provided above. There was a part of that linked narrative that intrigued me:
I have to wonder why an angel would be so touchy … wouldn’t an angel know that a person will be frightened and at least address the person? It seems every time we read about angels being seen by people, the angels have to say “fear not.” From what I gather, it’s supposed to be a rather overwhelming experience to see an angel. |
danithew, I think that is a very good question and one I have also wondered about. Mary Elizabeth is an ancestor of my wife’s and we have read this account many times and wondered about it. The result of the angelic visitation and the conversation with Joseph was that Mary Elizabeth consented to marry Joseph even though she was already married to Adam Lightner. It seems that seeing the angel was enough, she didn’t need to hear what the angel had to say. In my mind, that has sometimes seemed a very thin piece of evidence on which to rest such a large decision. It’s clear that she was terrified of the angel, and hid her head, which may have prompted the angel to leave rather than speak to her. Apparently, another person who was in the room at the time also saw the angel. |
Thanks, all. Danithew’s first point about the difference between angels and ghosts is key, I think – the two types of encounters are loaded with different types of cultural meaning. I’d even throw a third category in there – visions. Mary’s encounter seems to me to be that. Ghosts, on the other hand, are pretty reliable in terms of place and activity; unlike visions, they’re not necessarily subjective. |
The Ghost/Angel divergence is at the heart of the early Mormon treasure-quest. Jean Baptiste is fascinating character. I’ve been keeping a file on him for a while. After the whole fiasco, BY mentioned that if you were uncomfortable, to just bury your relatives in the Garden so you could watch over them until you were certain that the body had been sufficiently degraded. When they busted him, his house was full of garments, temple robes and other clothing from the dead. |
MCQ, that’s very interesting. But I want to hear about the ghost of Joseph haunting the Liberty or Carthage jails, or maybe even the Hill Camorah. |
i like to use the word spirit instead of ghost but they are reliable in the ways you said. especially if you’ve inherited the psychic gene and live next to a cemetery. they come at will and yes, it’s very very scary. Most of the spirits that visit me are female and therefore less threatening (i still shoo them out) but on occasion i sense a male spirit and that’s when I get so spooked i will scream. I don’t like being awakened in that way. |
mfranti, you and my wife should get together. She says that my mother visits her regularly from beyond the grave. She sits on the bed and talks to my wife during the night. She never talks to me. Guess I don’t have the gene. DKL: Joseph is way too busy for routine hauntings like that. |
mcq, you have to find out how her mother approached her and let me know. I wish I could be a bit more brave and let the spirits speak to me but geeez, having someone/thing stand over your bed is just too scary. |
mfranti: It’s my mom, that’s the weird thing. It’s like one of those dreams you can’t wake up from. My wife looks up and my mom is sitting on the bed, and she just starts talking. She tells her all kinds of things, mostly nice things, and often talks about the things she would do differently if she knew in life what she knows now. My wife says it’s not scary. |
One time I was making some pottery and thought that Joseph Smith’s ghost was helping me. Then I realized it was just Patrick Swayze. At first it was kind of weird, but then I read Adam Greenwood’s post about male-on-male affection, and I felt better. |
LOL thanks for that |
ROTFLMAO!!! That’s the best Joseph Smith/Holloween joke ever! |
We dont see their ghosts because they simply have more important things to do. We have all read the Wilford Woodruff vision where he sees all the church leaders running around on the other side of the veil, extremely busy preparing for the second coming…. |
I’ll add that I grew up across the street from BH Roberts’s primary house (house of his first wife?) and I never saw him. |
I have a ghost story. True story. My father-in-law had passed away and I went to visit my mother-in-law with my two daughters, Jessie, age 13 and Sarah, age 5. I slept in one of the two bedrooms and the girls slept in the living room on the hide-a-bed. The kitchen is essentially a hallway between those two parts of the house. I thought the girls were asleep and my mother-in-law was in bed, but I heard footsteps and rustling in the kitchen. I thought the girls had gotten up to sneak some cookies and decided to let them since we were at Grandma’s. But a few minutes later, Jessie came in and she said, “Mom, did you just get something from the kitchen? Because I could hear footsteps?” I lied. I said, “no, hon, it must have been the dog.” I know it wasn’t my mother-in-law because there was a light from the bathroom and I’d been watching the kitchen door. She hadn’t gone in there. I was scared the rest of the night and told Jessie on the way home I’d lied and we are both convinced that Grandma’s house is haunted. |
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of course patrick swayze is a very talented guy and he is also a very handsome actor “” |
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