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My father was a professor. He taught for years a particular general education freshman-level class that *every* student had to take. Dad also, for this particular class, had a very straightfoward grading scheme — it wasn’t elegant, didn’t employ some higher theories on grading, and was non-negotiable. Dad presented his prehistoric grading scheme on the first day of class so that there wouldn’t be any surprises. (Dad had different schemes for other classes; but for this one class, he felt that if you couldn’t hit the marks he’d outlined, you didn’t deserve the grade. Period.) The son of one of his best friends signed up for his class. Said student was a bit of a slacker. Said student missed a D by 1 percentage point. Dad got a call from the father, his friend. Oh, it must have pained my Dad greatly. The friend wanted to know what justified the F. Dad patiently reviewed his scoring system, recounted how it had been presented on Day 1, and reviewed each of the scores. It was clear that the son was still off by 1 percentage point. The friend thanked my Dad and hung up. The slacker, having been faced for the first time in his life with a situation he couldn’t get out of, eventually went on a mission, and is now a doctor. (cue credits and John Williams score) I don’t know if there’s a moral here. But, the only thing from PDoE’s story that might give me pause is the fact that the bartender makes $6.50 an hour. If it weren’t for that, it would appear to be a cut-and-dried. I often think of standardized high school graduation exams when situations like this come up. You always have the case of the scholar with the 3.9 GPA who got a failing score on the standardized test. (So what’s suspect – the GPA or the test?) Ultimately, I think that those in a position to administer a certification program need to administer it with an eye to justice, not mercy. In PDoE’s case, public safety is also an interested party. |
“Are you honest in your business dealings?” This is the toughest question to answer when obtaining a temple recommend–in my opinion. Of course, it depends on what you do for a living. In my case, I made decisions that can have profound impact on peoples lives. When issues like this lady asking for another to act dishonestly, even with just one question away from success, it still is a black and white decision in my opinion–honesty is the rule to follow. However, there are situations when two principles are in conflict and wisdom requires that we choose one or the other. There are examples of this in the scriptures and else where. Nephi slaying Laman, is one example. Those called to serve in the military are sometimes required to kill, or someone is required to kill to protect their family. The principles in conflict: thou shalt not kill and protecting your nation and family. In the days when US Marshall’s were trying to find church leaders to put them in jail, many church leaders when asked where they were–lied. One of them said, I’ll lie like hell to protect my brethren. The point here–when are principles in conflict, and which is the higher principle to obey? In the example addressed here I don’t see a principle in conflict. |
Although … I know many Church employees and leaders, in the context of welfare and employment assistance, who would counsel that we should employ every means necessary to help people keep or get a position. When I read PDOE’s case, I could see in my mind’s eye 4 or 5 Church leaders and employees would would, without a moment’s hesitation, change the grade so that they could keep the score (and justify it as “well, she actually knows the material but didn’t test well.” How many of us have asked a professor to change a grade? Or asked for waivers of graduation requirements? Appealed a decision that didn’t go our way? The goal here is to ensure that the person knows her duties and can demonstrate it. It sounded from PDOE’s description that she did, in fact, know the answers but for multiple reasons hadn’t answered correctly on the test. I don’t think any Church leader would have condemned a merciful approach in this case. (The public safety issue, for me, is the decider.) |
change the grade so that they could keep the score … change the score so that they could keep the job … |
“My heart really went out to her” If so, ask her if she could afford 50% of the re-test fee and then send her the $20 CDN |
“(Evidentially, one of my co-workers in the same situation got called the “C†word.)” Trying real hard to figure that one out… |
#5 That’s an interesting idea and I’ve been pondering it myself. I don’t know if I can though — the only way to get her information is from the system and that’s probably a violation of privacy or something. Not that she’d probably care. I dunno. I’ll think about it. She did mention a sister whose credit card she could borrow as well. I just kinda keep checking the system to see if she’s signed up again. #6 It’s a more obscure swear. Four letters. Last letter is “t” and it’s a negative reference to female physiology. Just to be clear, the person who called my co-worker this word is not the person I was talking to. |
Can I approach this from an information technology-stewardship perspective? If PDOE has access to change the score within the application, that means that she has the right/privilege/opportunity to determine if a score needs to be changed. That calls into questions the policies surrounding score change. So isn’t this more of a case of determining under which circumstances a score may be changed? We already accept the fact that it can be changed and PDOE has the rights and authority to do it (it’s just a case of deciding if she should). |
It’s hard to know what the right thing to do would be without knowing the nature of your work. If you have the power and the authority to change the grade, then perhaps you should have if you really thought the person knows the stuff but just didn’t test well. Having the ability to change the grade is not the same as having the authority to do so. At my job there is a lot of sensitive information that I technically have access to view and change, but would be fired and perhaps even sued if I did and it were found out. On the other hand, if the rule is that they must pass the test, no exceptions (which it sounds like is the case in this situation), then you have no moral dilemna. You can feel sorry for her, you can want to help, but changing her grade would be cheating and abuse of power. |
Queno, I think you’ve got the question backward. It’s a good question the way you phrase it but if I knew, absolutely, that I had the right and authority to change that test I’d've done it in a heartbeat. I later approached one of my other co-workers who regularly audits the tests and asked her if there were a procedure for requesting an audit for someone for this purpose. I explained the situation to her. From what she said, I’m fairly certain I don’t have the right or authority to do it. Even if I were an actual, full-time employee. Right now I’m doing temp work for them. I’ve applied for the full-time position they have open. I think you see that I’m on shaky ground for making that kind of decision. |
You can’t save the world. You acted with integrity and kindness and went the extra mile. You did all you could, that’s all there is to it. |
PDOE, my heart goes out to you. I don’t know how I would have fared, facing such a choice. I suspect if the woman told me what she told you, I would have relented and if it were in my power, I would have helped her. That’s me, and in the cold light of judgement I know I would have been wrong. |
Thank you, Anne and David. The people at work said pretty much the same thing — about how nice I was being — but it’s good to hear it from people who share my value system. Not that I think the women at work are value-less but none of them are LDS and, since I’m LDS, that was the perspective that was bothering me. |
Maybe the Lord doesn’t want the lady in question to be working with alcohol. If she sells or serves alcohol to the public, it may not be a good thing for her to be second-guessing or overly-generous to someone who is under the influence and should not be buying or drinking more. Sometimes, setbacks and even tragedies lead to better alternatives in the long run. Fer instance…. The “Book-of-Mormon-mobile” got crunched by a hit-and-run driver Friday night. All occupants are okay. I’m thankful the full-time missionaries were with me. Their added weight (along with the 150+ pounds of books) in the car probably helpd absorb some of the impact. The driver who hit us took off immediately. We didn’t even get his/their license number. With the pre-existing damage from 4 years ago, the car is probably totaled. I’ll hear from the repair shop today or tomorrow. The bright sides are: 1. I needed a new car anyway. 2. I need a bigger vehicle so I can have the books plus 2 passengers without having four boxes stacked in the back seat. (I normally carry about 100 BoMs in 65 languages, 15 languages of Gospel Fundamentals, 20 bibles in 15 languages, 30 videos, 30 Liahona magazines.) 3. There was lots of snow/ice this weekend, so if I had to have an accident, it was good that it was Friday, before the police were busy with all the storm-related car accidents Sat/Sun. 4. Having the missionaries with me “allowed” me to call upon the ward mission leader to get them home, and ask if he could help transport all the books/junk out of my car back to my apartment. Fortunately, he was available and had a van with lots of room. |
Thank you, Bookslinger. I do hope and pray that whatever happens for this woman, she’ll be ok. |
Is it within your power to offer one more free retake? |
ARJ; no it’s not. |
bummer |
PDOE – I think from a “rights and privileges” perspective, you do have the authority to make the change. But, it sounds like it’s probably not a change you should make (in my original comment, I did say that it should probably not be done). Sometimes like the priesthood, if I can offer that up as an aside… |
Maybe the Lord doesn’t want the lady in question to be working with alcohol. If she sells or serves alcohol to the public, it may not be a good thing for her to be second-guessing or overly-generous to someone who is under the influence and should not be buying or drinking more. I love this comment. My company has a client that is a major brewery. I do my best to stay away from that client. I have been called upon to assist every other major client my group has, except this one, and whenever I even offer the slightest bit of guidance to the engineers that support said brewery, the project either gets canceled or is a complete debacle for other reasons. I was originally asked to help sell our services to said client, but I switched it out to another engineer, because I didn’t want to be in the position of helping a brewery make more money (or save more money). I’d rather see them go bankrupt. Is a lack of professionalism to not help a customer in a business the Lord disapproves of? Maybe, although when my expertise is requested, I do provide it (but I don’t go out of my way). |
Interesting parallel there, queno. (#19) As for #20, that’s one of the reasons I like working there. My grandfather was an alcoholic. My aunt was killed by a drunk driver (not my grandfather). All that and I’m LDS. Though I’m sometimes tempted to share a glass of wine or port with my husband, or try a White Russian again, I’d also be perfectly happy if alcohol were to vanish off the face of the earth. I like being involved with a company whose job it is to help see that alcohol is enjoyed responsibly. |
queuno, Perhaps an easy explanation for bowing out of involvement with them, is if something were to go wrong, you don’t want to be in a position where your anti-alcohol stance (real or perceived) could be used as a basis for someone accusing you of sabotaging them. |