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*dork moment here* Before now, the only place I’ve seen “evangelion” is “Neon Genesis Evangelion,” one of the crackier of the crack anime. A very thoughtful and detailed post, Matt B. I wish I had something to add. |
Great post! Incidentally, I find the popular LDS notion of continuing revelation to be basically at odds with the LDS practice of continuing revelation. I view the popular understanding of continuing revelation to be something like this: when the prophet speaks as a prophet, it’s as good as if it were in the Bible or the Book of Mormon. In practice, the prophet seldom pronounces anything official, and the church frequently downplays or even disowns pronouncements by earlier prophets that had an official air to them. So that what happens instead is that we have a gradually evolving set of church policies. I believe that this arrangement has much more in common with the Catholic/Anglican notion of tradition than the evangelical view of authority. So I’d say that Mormons are not evangelicals. |
I hope, takes another step toward a task that I believe to be paramount to Mormon studies - drawing the study of Mormonism out of the ghetto, and understanding ourselves within the larger context of Christianity and American religion. Here, here. |
Matt B, now I am waiting (smiling) for part 2: Are evangelicals Mormon? |
I love that, Todd. Let’s ask them. |
We keep wanting to be evangelical. We lie in the same bed politically. We want to be a part of the club. But alas, evangelicals are right. We are not like them. Furthermore, as long as they continue funding anti-Mormon literature, we should stop trying to be their best pals. They certainly are not our best pals. |
Nice post, Matt. It seems to me that the popular use of “Evangelical” is rather controlled by the fundamentalists. E.g., the two doctrinal requirements for membership in the Evangelical Theological Society are the Trinity and the inerrancy of Scripture. I understand that the latter tenet is one of the justifications for the leaving of Francis Beckwith after his communion with the Catholic Church. I recently read a paper that highlighted well the dynamism between Evangelical Calvinists and Arminians in the 18th century South. C. Dirck Keyser, “The Virginia Separate Baptists and Arminianism, 1760-1787,” Virginia Baptist Register 23 (1984), 1110-1138. |
Thanks, pdoe. What’s ‘crack anime’? This is a term I feel I should know. Dave - Why is it that what popular understanding of continuing revelation is doesn’t qualify for ‘practice?’ That last word implies to me the way that folks actually live their religion, and if most Mormons in, say Davis County, Utah, believe that the conference Ensign is like scripture, there seems to be a theological disconnect between what Mormon practice is and what the GAs seem to believe. (I have another post on the ontology of scripture in the works, by the way). Dave: Back at you. Todd - This guy thinks so. Dan - You’re ceding the term ‘evangelical’ to the folks Stape notes want to claim it. And you’re right, Stape - many fundamentalists out there would like the term ‘evangelical’ to apply only to them. This goes back to J. Gresham Machen, a traditionalist Presbyterian theologian who argued in the 1920s that liberal Christianity was actually not Christianity at all. The ETS, by the way, was organized in the late 1940s by the so-called New Evangelicals, fundamentalists who returned from post-Scopes exile to enter American public life again. They’re a bit more public-relations conscious than separatist fundamentalists are - think Billy Graham - but still basically fundamentalist in orientation. |
Matt B.: I don’t know if anyone other than me says “crack anime,” but I use it to refer to anime (aka Japanese animation) that is crazy. I don’t mean silly, zany or stupid (like “Pokemon” or “Sailor Moon”) but actually insane and disturbing. I count “Neon Genesis Evangelion” (of which I’ve heard much but seen little), “Serial Experiments Lain” and “Revolutionary Girl Utena.” “Eva” (the commonly-used short-reference for “NGE”) comes by it’s crackiness honestly. Toward the end, the directer was actually on crack. He ended up in a mental institution, at least for a while. Others who worked on the show later said that if they’d had any idea it would be so popular in America, they’d've chosen something other than Christianity to base it on. When I say base, I mean steal words and concepts (like “angel” and “Lilith”) and use them in any way that seemed cool at the time and not in any way that any actual, practicing Christian would ever recognize. |
Matt,
But if you are going to define “evangelical” you have to take into account that some groups will call themselves that whether they are or not truly the definition of that word. It becomes a part of the word itself. I know from my perspective when I think “evangelical” I can’t help but visualize a woman with a cloth wrapped around her head carrying a Bible. The more we use and attribute words to this or that, the more complex a word gets. So to ask if Mormons are Evangelical, you have to consider all meanings of the word. |
Matt B., sometime I hope to do a post on the bornagainmormon website. I think it is wild. |
Dan - Exactly. Thus the point of this post. Todd - I’ve met Shawn once or twice. I’d be very interested to hear what you have to say about him. |
Matt B, many Mormons may well believe that the latest Ensign is scripture, but that’s not how they treat it once a new one comes out that says something different. When I was growing up, people took Bruce McConkie’s stuff pretty seriously, too. Nowadays, whatever sentimental value that Bruce McConkie may hold for those members who remain nostalgic for autocratic approaches to church authority, Bruce McConkie’s works don’t hold a whole heck of a lot of weight. Not to mention the theories of 19th century prophets and apostles, some of which have been utterly and expressly repudiated by more recent leadership. And which of these is scripture: Joseph’s King Follett Sermon or the interview in which Gordon Hinckley said that he didn’t know whether post-mortal progression to godhood was doctrinal? In practice, Mormons (in Davis County or elsewhere) tend to hold to the words that are most recent, and they occasionally cherish obscure gems from their favorite doctrine-wonk of yore, but they just don’t afford conference talks and other words from the prophets and apostles the same status as scripture — no matter how much they delude themselves into thinking otherwise. This gradual evolution of church policy and curriculum creates an evolving tradition much more akin to Catholocism than to the idealized paradigm of continuing revelation that has no foundation in history. |
Actually, Dave, functionally the first sentence of your second paragrah is quite similar to the ways in which fundamentalists tend to read scripture - pick and choose, using various snippets absent context, reading all ’scripture’ to be propositionally identical, and constructing a personal doctrinal edifice out of various puzzle pieces. The question you’re raising, I think, is what is in the canon, rather than how the canon is used. |
Neon Genesis… one highly disturbed series. |
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