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It’s indisputable that Mormonism was (is?) far and away the most persecuted religious sect in American history, and America has been full of oddball religions. I think you overstate your case here, a bit. That’s far from indisputable, and your definition (or lack thereof) of persecution isn’t nuanced enough. You seem to lump violence perpetrated against the early Saints with anti-Mormon literature. You might have a case if you’re speaking solely of violence, but if you mean cultural persecution (legal and general prejudice), I think both the Catholics and Jews have a stronger case than the Mormons. |
I was waiting for someone to dispute the indisputable! But you are wrong. If we expand it to informal persecution, perpetrated by citizens, perhaps others might compete for the claim. But in the context I am referring to, government-sanctioned and sponsored persecution, no. Do you forget Edmunds-Tucker, upheld by the Supreme Court? All the anti-Mormon invective of the last century, uttered not in taverns and dockyards but in the halls of Congress? No other faith comes close! Members of no other faith have had their right to vote and hold office removed nationwide, had ALL of its property confiscated, and been driven from four different states with the connivance or acquiescence of the political and judicial leaders. No other faith has had an extermination order signed. The only other people who can match and exceed that are the American Indians and the Blacks, but that was not faith-based persecution. We win the religious persecution prize in this country, hands down. |
Jeff, I imagine if you were Jewish or Catholic, you might feel very differently. Whether Latter-day Saints are the most persecuted religion in America or not, one thing is certain: Mormons have consistently believed that they’re the most persecuted religion in America. |
Jeff, spare us the triumphalism. Again, this is all a question of perspective and definition, which as Chris pointed out you did not provide. I’m afraid that when it comes down to it, you really know very little about the history of Jews and Catholics in America, and your ignorance shows. I’ll direct your attention to a PBS interview of a leading historian of American religions, Jon Butler of Yale:
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Huh, I guess it is disputable after all. |
I agree with Jeff. Not because I have a pool of knowledge regarding the religious persecutions of other faiths with which to compare my own, but because I want to preserve my status as a victim. If I’m not a member of the “Most Government Persecuted Religion in America” then I’m just “The Man,” another middle-aged, middle-class, white, male, lawyer with 2 kids, a hamster and a house in the suburbs. Please, let me revel in my victimhood. |
In all seriousness, some of the persecution in Ohio can be traced to the failure of the Kirtland Safety Society. Abolition, balance of local political power, perceived threats to non-mormon constitutional liberties, and envy from the economic success of the saints were all factors in the Missouri persecution. |
What is funny to me is that in your use of Jon Butler of Yale to bolster your contention that Mormons are not the most persecuted, it actually does the opposite. The clincher is when he says, “So depending upon how we want to think about persecution: Do we want to emphasize the assassination of Joseph Smith? Do we want to emphasize physical violence against Mormonism? We might think of Mormonism as somewhat comparable to persecution against Roman Catholics. If we want to think about legal persecution, we can indeed emphasize anti-polygamy legislation passed by the federal government. We also can place it in the context of anti-Semitic legislation passed by many, many states and municipalities in the United States from the 1880s until the 1960s. So Mormonism either is or isn’t the most persecuted religious group, depending on your point of view.” In my point of view, if you can compare the persecution of Mormons with ALL of the religions together, that makes a pretty good case that Mormons are/were the most persecuted religion in the United States. Name me a religion that was almost wiped off the face of the map TWICE and you might have a case. |
Well. I am clearly wrong, if nothing else, about it being “indisputable”. I am not an expert on Jewish and Catholic history. Heck, I’m not even an expert on Mormon history. (I just play one on a blog sometimes.) I am aware of anti-Semetic housing covenants, Rabbi Kehane’s assassination in New York City. I am aware of anti-Catholic work provisions and Papist persecution by the KKK. For me (apparently not everyone) the geographic scale of the Mormon persecution, spanning states and extending up to the Federal government, is unprecedented. Be that as it may, Christopher and David G, let me see if I can understand how your disputation relates to the main question I pose here. Are you saying that, since the persecution visited upon the Mormons was unexceptional, the Missouri persecutions are therefore not remarkable? That they were a case of run-of-the-mill religious bigotry? That if there had been Jews or Catholics instead of Mormons gathered in Missouri, it would have provoked the same level of violence? That there was nothing unique about Mormonism to make it especially prone to violence and expropriation of property? Please explain. That is certainly one answer to my question: that the puzzle is not a puzzle at all. P.S. Unlike Christopher (3), I don’t get the feeling that most Mormon’s really have that big of a persecution complex. I don’t ever hear much whining about it, like calls for the US Government or Missouri to pay us reparations or whatever. It’s treated as a historical curiosity. Proof of this is how many Mormons were genuinely shocked at the hostile reception accorded to Mitt Romney’s religion. If we had really been convinced of our exceptional level of persecution and hatred by the country, would we have been so surprised that his religion was a subject of criticism and ridicule? I hasten to add that I do not myself classify Mitt Romney’s treatment as persecution at all. My fellow LDS may see it differently, of course, which may cause the emergence of this very sense of grievance I deny exists currently. |
Um, here’s two Jettboy: Catholics and Jews. |
Hehe, Jettboy, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills a bit. I clearly said:
. Which is exactly what Butler said. I’ll dispute your contention that we were “almost wiped off the face of the map TWICE.” In Missouri, perhaps 30 out of over 8,000 died. In Illinois, only a handful including JS died (others did die on the trek but I’d hardly categorize their deaths as being the direct result of persecution). In the 1880s, no one was killed by federal officials. Yes, our rights were violated but we were a long way away from being “wiped off the face of the map.” Let me be clear, I do not want to belittle or deemphasize the sacrifices of my ancestors, one of which died at Haun’s Mill, others crossed the plains, and still others were imprisoned for their belief in polygamy. But my sympathy for them does not lead me to GROSSLY overexaggerate what they suffered in comparison to other groups. |
Agreeing to disagree on the comparative scope of Mormon persecution versus other faiths, perhaps you brethren would like to comment on the question of the thread – Why the persecution? |
Holy Persecution Complex, Batman! The Mormons were a highly organized, clearly defined, bloc voting, ‘foreign’ group. (Foreign as in mostly from New England and overseas) Thus, much easier to stir up a mob when you have a clearly defined ‘those guys’. They immigrated into a highly volatile and mostly lawless frontier area with an existing population of settlers. (Missouri) They made some PR mistakes of the highest order for the time… namely they made abolitionist statements. They ghettoized themselves in Utah, centralizing their identity and their stereotype in the press. While settled in Utah they actually fought off the US army for a period of time, practiced marriage rituals that horrified the Victorian establishment and said lots of crazy things that made newspaper reporters very happy. Then there were lies about ending polygamy, until 1904. They put an Apostle in the senate (Reed Smoot) very shortly thereafter keeping the issue on the national stage. In short, Mormons violated the accepted social mores of the day, made themselves separate and identifiable during a time in which political leaders saw an advantage in stirring up prejudice. It’s part of the careful line that religions have to draw between being assimilated and being destroyed. I hope to all that’s holy that this post is satire. Otherwise, I’m nominating Jeff Bennion as the new Meridian correspondent. <blockquote cite=”One of the questions I’ve had for a long time is what caused the Missouri (and Nauvoo, and Kirtland) persecutions. As a believer, I think it’s pretty clear that many of the neighbors of the early Mormons were clearly possessed by Satan, stirred up to the most incredible, out-of-proportion vitriol.”> |
Why the persecutions in Missouri? Don’t forget the inflammatory rhetoric that many rank-and-file members spouted off about taking over Missouri, and how that Missouri, and especially all of Jackson Country, was their “inheritance.” Then after the first persecutions began, Sidney Rigdon and others spouted off more inflammatory rehtoric. Several leaders who left the church in Missouri, including Thomas Marsh, also made statements that provided fodder for the persecutors. That and more is in “History of the Church.” |
Christopher and David G. are absolutely right. The relative level of “persecution” in New York, Kirtland, Far West, and Nauvoo was minor compared to what other religions have faced, even in the US. For one thing, Mormons left New York and Kirtland entirely of their own volition. Nauvoo was also complex. The situation in 1838 Missouri is better described as mutual antagonism than persecution. In order to recompense the losses of the Saints who had been expelled from Jackson County in 1833, sympathetic Missourians created Caldwell County specifically for Mormon settlement in 1836. Things had settled down with that compromise, but unfortunately, the Mormons made two provacative moves in 1838. (1) The First Presidency — it’s wrong to scapegoat Sidney Rigdon as Joseph Smith was acting totally in concert with him in Missouri — had lost control of Kirtland to dissenters. They determined to preemptively eliminate rivals when they moved to Missouri. As a result, the Missouri Stake Presidency (Book of Mormon witness David Whitmer, church historian John Whitmer, and W.W. Phelps) were excommunicated along with Asst. Church President Oliver Cowdery and others. Soon after, these dissenters were “warned” out of Caldwell County by a First-Presidency-approved vigilante group in a manifesto signed by Hyrum Smith and my great great great great grandfather, among others. The dissenters’ property was seized. These expelled members fled to neighboring towns and (understandably) complained to Missourians about the injustice. (2) The First Presidency decided that Caldwell County was filling up (it wasn’t yet) and prematurely began to plant Mormon colonies in surrounding counties, such as Carroll and Daviess County and the Buncombe Strip separating Caldwell and Ray Counties. The Missourians believed that this violated an agreement they had made with David Whitmer and the Missouri Stake Presidency. This expansion gave the Missourians the idea that the Mormons intended to take over the whole northwestern portion of the state. Later, the First Presidency confirmed that suspicion when one of its members (Sidney Rigdon) gave a speech announcing that the Saints would no longer suffer “persecution” and if threatened, the Mormons would a war of “extermination” with their non-Mormon neighbors. The First Presidency approved this speech and authorized its publication. Heightened antagonism on both sides led to conflict in Daviess County, where Mormons were prevented from voting in an early election. A non-Mormon vigilante militia illegally expelled the Mormons from their settlement in Caroll County. A Mormon militia from Caldwell County illegally entered Daviess County and sacked all the non-Mormon settlements, including the county seat, expelling all the non-Mormons from the county. This behavior caused Thomas B. Marsh and Orson Hyde to leave the fellowship of the church — because they felt it was treasonable and self-destructive — and warn the Missourians what was going on. Then a Mormon militia illegally entered Ray County and attacked a non-Mormon militia that had been engaged in questionable activity, but was legally acting as state militia. After this, a vigilante Missourian militia illegally entered Caldwell County and attacked and massacred a group of men and boys at the Haun’s Mill settlement. Finally, an overwhelming group of regularly authorized state militia entered Caldwell County and forced the Mormons’ surrender. Although the Mormons were tried for their illegal activities, none of the Missourians were tried for their own. That was certainly an injustice, but the whole series of incidents were escalated by both sides. |
Longtime BYU history professor Marvin Hill said religious persecution played virtually no role in the abandonment of Kirtland, that internal dissension drove Joseph and Hyrum and Sidney and the rest from the city. |
Is it necessary to compare any persecution with the persecution of people of other religions and claim that one was more persecuted over another? The Jews and Catholics has suffered persecutions for centuries. Does their suffering have to be compared to those of the early Mormons of the 1800s just to prove that the Mormons suffered less? I think not. I think that if any of us were persecuted in any way, whether Catholic, Jew, or LDS, I don’t think we would stand around debating who suffered worse. If your husband’s insides are hanging out of his body, or your child is laying dead, is that any less suffering then those who were also killed at the hands of hateful people? What is sad is that despite our Constitution which allows one the right to worship as one pleases, an annihilation order was made. Only in the last few years was that order finally rescinded. It is this order that makes the persecution so diabolical and the Mormons had to leave the country in order for the Church to survive. I don’t know of any other state governor ordering the annihilation of Catholics or Jews back in the 1800s. If there were please post the information. The question was why the early church members were persecuted, not if their persecution was worse, the same, or less than the persecution of other religious groups. I read Doctrine and Covenants 122:7 “…that all these things shall give thee experience, and shall be for thy good. 8 The Son of Man hath descended below them all. Art thou greater than he?” Perhaps the suffering of the Saints was part of a humbling process, a way to test their faith, to show them their weakness so that they could strengthen themselves. I think the Saints brought some of what happened to them upon themselves in their disobedience and in some of the ways they dealt with the problems surrounding them. I also think that it was necessary for them to leave the country because of the impending Civil War. The Lord’s hand was in all that happened to the early members and the result of their suffering was what we enjoy today as members of the Church. |
Is it useful to compare the number of Mormons vs. number of Jews vs. number of Catholics? |
Polygamy. In the LDS Church History Museum next door to the Family History Library, on display with other relics from the martyrdom, resides a powder horn recovered from one of the men involved in murdering Joseph Smith. It bears engraved language that brags of having been involved in killing “the polyamist [sic] Joseph Smith”. Remember now, that polygamy was not a public doctrine at that time. But it was widely rumored in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois, that polygamy was being practiced by Joseph and close associates (which is true). American men feared their wives, daughters, and sisters would be debauched by the Mormons who would recruit them into polygamy. Sure, it was irrational, but it sure fires people up, especially in an era of solidly Victorian sexual mores. An American society that was not ready for polygamy reacted violently when they found out about it. Polygamy is one of the major (but not the only) factor behind the violent persecution of the Mormons. Of course you will not read this in official Church history books. |
Mormon Arrogance When your neighbors tell you that you will be displaced, and your homes will be taken away, because ‘God’ has given the entire area to said neighbors, it tends to make one cranky. The people in Missouri apparently banded together to protect themselves from roving bands of mormon terrorists. Apparently the actions of the hot-heads, displeased the mormon leadership that some were dispatched to the area around Haun’s Mill and Far West in an effort to reign in on the troublemakers. From what I’ve seen there were a few troublemakers and a lot more of the stable even-handed mormons in the area. I gather that, there was a fair amount on one side troubling the other over an escalation period of time. Missouri issued the extermination order to protect the law-abiding citizens from those “mormon-mauraders†also along these lines there is “Documentary History of the Mormon War in Illinois” _Cultures in Conflict_ Much of the issues in Nauvoo were a direct response to the events of Missouri, including the legal-political siege mind-set |