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Outstanding post, Jeff! I’ve felt much the same with regard to the “warts” of various spiritual/religious leaders. In fact, I often wished that the scriptural prophets’ stories were told more fully, showing them also as flawed humans who strove to attain spiritual heights. Stories of human struggle and improvement can be much more inspiring than “pretty portraits of perfect people.” |
Great post and I totally agree with Nick. I think it’s also where the church falls short– giving us a PR-version of church history. |
I am an investigator and I am learning to love the church and the prophets…but I do want to hear the whole story…not just bits and pieces. |
I really think that the root problem actually extends beyond the Church into the world, where the expectations of what a Prophet and God’s work is supposed to be are very, very different from the way things really are in both the Latter Days and the Bible. If you want to fix the PR version of Church History I think you need to fix the world’s obsession with the idea that a perfect God doesn’t use imperfect people to accomplish His will, because I think the PR version extends from this idea both through the members and the missionary work. |
“No member of the Church is esteemed by the Lord as more or less than any other. It just does not work that way! …” So why must the Sacrament be first consumed by the ranking priesthood holder? |
Tom: The church can’t really change the world’s mindset but it CAN and TOTALLY and control what info it dissiminates. |
I agree that it is significantly more difficult now to commit the sin of destroying another’s faith, but it is still possible. It’s very, very tempting to burst bubbles every Sunday at Church, but the times I have given in to that temptation, I have felt reprimanded by the Spirit for doing so. |
Bethie (3), Good for you. That approach will leave your faith less brittle and more resilient in the long run. ed42 (5),
They check to make sure it’s not poisoned. |
I enjoyed the post Jeff. |
Some people don’t want to believe that Joseph Smith had any flaws. I’ve run into at least one person who thinks Bushman is an apostate for publishing RSR. This guy honestly believed Bushman intentionally lied. In our conversation, I backed off from praising the RSR book, because it was plain to me that this brother was going to lose at least part of his testimony if he started to believe any of the “warts and all” type history. There’s so much to learn while growing up in the church, and also for those who join as adults. I think this is a case of letting people learn at their own pace, and let their own curiosity take them to these things when they are ready. Sort of like waiting for children to ask where babies come from. You don’t have to answer that question until it’s asked. And you don’t have to give more detail than the seeker needs or wants. The only practical aspect of the decision to include/exclude unflattering history is in dealing with charges from critics of the church. We can counter some charges by pointing out that the charge is just plain false. We can counter some charges by prointing out that the critic is twisting the truth, or mixing truth and falsehood. But some charges we can only respond with “Yeah, that’s true, and it was a bad thing, but it doesn’t mean the church and the gospel aren’t true.” Or, “Yeah, that’s true, but it wasn’t a bad thing at that place and time in history.” |
Sort of like waiting for children to ask where babies come from. Great analogy. When our book group read RSR, it was quite the heated discussion. Some people really hated what Bushman had to say, holding the view that he bought into lies, and propagated them by writing the book. |
“Some people really hated what Bushman had to say, holding the view that he bought into lies, and propagated them by writing the book.” This is exactly why the church should do more to show the truth of Joseph rather than the airbrushed version, but the members have a responsibility themselves to study and learn. It is shameful that lifelong, believing members are upset by a scholarly book about their prophet. There is nothing earth-shattering about Joseph Smith’s life, unless you have been taught, and believed in, a fairy tale all your life. |
“It’s very, very tempting to burst bubbles every Sunday at Church, but the times I have given in to that temptation, I have felt reprimanded by the Spirit for doing so.” That’s what I love about teaching primary–there are few bubbles to burst, so to speak, because they haven’t been formed yet. While there is not a lot of opportunity to talk much about this stuff, I was able to talk about the seer stones in the hat a few months ago when teaching the 11 year olds about the translation. |
MCQ: “It is shameful that lifelong, believing members are upset by a scholarly book about their prophet.” I don’t think thats the point. It’s a shock when someone presents things that you aren’t ready for. That’s just human nature. What’s shameful is people leaving the church because they find out Joseph Smith Jr wasn’t perfect, or because they find out that the church didn’t teach them the warts-and-all history in Primary, Sunday School, and seminary. Kaimi Wenger wrote an excellent piece on this over on Times and Seasons. As a recent convert, I refused to attend Institute, because I didn’t understand what it was. The only person who told me about it was the Institute teacher. If it was important, why didn’t the Bishop suggest it, or why weren’t the other Young Single Adults in the ward going? Why wasn’t going to Institute preached on Sundays? I watched/listened to all the General conferences (2 or 3) since I joined the church, and Institute was not even mentioned. For all I knew, it was just that one teacher’s idea. Besides, I was already doing everthing “the church” was telling me to do every Sunday, plus home-teaching, a calling, etc, etc. But more importantly, I thought that I was getting “everything I needed” or “everything I was supposed to get” in Sunday School and Priesthood classes. If something was important, that’s where they would teach it, right? It didn’t dawn on me until much later, when I realized how ignorant most rank-and-file church members were of church history (or even of the contents of the D&C) that I realized the importance of gospel study or “church study” outside of the Sunday classes. What’s sad, is those who never read Section 132 or didn’t read it closely, and never realized that Joseph Smith Jr practiced polygamy. I picked up on that my first time through the D&C. |
The issue of fallibility of those called to high position in the Lord’s church is important to explore, but when we do it to I try to make sure my donation to this cause does not exceed a tithe. |
I think “warts” are fine, whether they reside in Joseph or other leaders. It is easier, for me at least, to relate to these historical figures if they come across as people, and not as super heroes. I think that is something most people can deal with. What should not be discussed in Sunday school are the prophetic faults, i.e. unfulfilled prophesies, folk magic, “translation” issues, etc. because that could truly break someone’s faith. So, human faults are fine because we can relate. But prophetic faults are inappropriate in a setting where the purpose is to build faith. Even I, as an unbeliever, think prophetic problems should be left to those who wish to investigate them. |
I haven’t finished reading Bushman’s book, but I have read more than 60% by now and I haven’t found anything terribly controversial or faith destructive so far. I have read many things about Joseph Smith though, so I am not in the “fairy tale” section of Joseph Smith followers. I think we do need to hear from Joseph’s background more in Sunday school. I think we need to learn about the qualities that led him to have the experiences he had, such as the folk magic world view of his family, his society and himself. Translation problems, seer/gazing stones inside a hat, divining rods, etc etc etc. I believe all these elements can be shared openly in an uplifting context. Joseph Smith was not a skeptical, he was a believer and a seeker. He, like many others in his time, looked for truth and spiritual guidance through whatever spiritual mediums he had knowledge of. I read a good dissertation on the subject and I was delighted to learn the progress Joseph Smith made as he became more and more experienced with his Prophetic call. What I would find really problematic to share and explain in an uplifting context are some of his polygamous practices. While we teach a rosy view of polygamy in the Church (although we don’t really talk about it too much anyways), polygamy did have a rather rough start according to some documents. Especially the Fanny Alger affair and the Partridge daughters. But I am all for the analyzing of the amazing faith of the Prophet in his young years, folk and all included. I think as a society we have become so skeptical of everything, maybe we could learn about young Joseph and believe wonderful things can actually happen. Who knows, maybe great experiences are awaiting and we just need to open our hearts and our minds. |
Tiredmormon: I think it would be hard to definitively separate Joseph Smith’s human shortcomings (“warts”) from what you term his “prophetic faults.” I think prophetic faults can stem from human shortcomings. I think the loss of the 116 pages could be categorized as both, one steming from the other. I came to Mormonism from an evangelical background (though my association with evangelicalism was of less than a year’s duration), and I have seen how easy it is for people, especially those who are spiritually immature and who don’t have a mentor constantly at hand, to get confused in spiritual matters. I certainly did, and I still do. I’m not going to fault Joseph Smith for any connection to folk magic or “treasure seeking” (for Josiah Stoal) or any such things, even after the First Vision. He had no earthly prophetic mentor at all, before or after the First Vision, and then even Moroni only came once a year after his first visit. It took me quite a while after joining to figure out what carried over from Evangelicalism and other Christian faiths and what didn’t. And then I learned that even most LDS don’t know much about the overlap with other faiths. And then I had to UN-learn some of what I picked up from a lot of members even after being a member, because a lot of false doctrine and what I term “mediocre Mormonism” is passed by word-of-mouth in the church. I’ve made all sorts of errors concerning spiritual promptings; disobeyed some, imagined some (“ginned up” some, that is), and dismissed some as imagination when in fact they were real. Yet my failures don’t always turn off the spiritual pipeline, but when they do, and after a repentance and learning period, the pipeline gets occasionally turned on again. Joseph Smith did not become immediately spiritually mature at the moment of the First Vision. He did not step into the shoes of a Prophet all at once. The First Vision, in which he could withstand the glory of the presence of the Savior and Heavenly Father, meant that he was extremely pure of heart and humble, but he still had growing to do. I think Bushman’s RSR describes Joseph Smith’s training and growth as prophet. BH Roberts’ “History of the Church” and the D&C itself attest to personal shortcomings or failures that could also be termed “prophetic failures.” But there’s a complicated story behind most of what might be termed “prophetic failures”. (I’m still hesitant to use the term without quotes.) The failure of Kirtland, the failure of the Jackson County settlement to establish Zion, the failure of Zion’s Camp, the failure of the Caldwell County settlement, the failure to evacuate Haun’s Mill in time, the failure of the saints to keep Nauvoo, the failure of Joseph Smith to preserve his own life. All these could legitimately be termed “failures”, but there’s a story behind each one. Were they truely “prophetic” failures ? Joseph Smith uttered prophecies about the success of most of those, especially Zion/Jackson County, but in most cases the promises were revoked (at least temporarily) by the Lord because of actions taken by (or omitted by) the saints. It’s a very delicate thing to analyze the history of the major actors in church history. |
It would be profitable to look at who is leaving the church and who isn’t. My general sense impression is that the most common time to make a break with Mormonism is in that transitional period of one’s late teens and 20s. So, if you are talking about trying to introduce a faithful history into Gospel Doctrine class, you’re already too late. The people in Gospel Doctrine are older folks. They’re already pretty set in their ways and aren’t going to do much based on what you teach there. If you try to introduce the controversial there, you’re likely to just piss people off to no purpose. No, I think the place this kind of innoculating has to be happening in with our teenagers. The teens need to be getting the straight story on Joseph Smith – or we’re going to lose a lot of them in the coming transitional years where they actually form their identities. And the thing is, the youth are actually pretty darn resilient when you approach it right and don’t overwhelm them with too much info. They take it in stride a lot better than their parents actually. |
If we look at the depictions of prophets that we get in the five books of Moses, we definitely see prophets with ‘warts’. The Old Testament is downright shocking sometimes with the less-than-ideal and even downright horrific material it chooses to provide about a person who (at the same time) is being held up as a model or as someone who is important. How will we understand Joseph Smith if we deliberately omit or avoid material that is difficult? I can understand if we choose not to deal with certain aspects of Joseph Smith’s history/personality/character in church meetings – but biographers have a responsibility to help readers understand a person. Having said that we might not want to talk about certain specific aspects of Joseph Smith’s character in church, I should offer a positive counter-example from my own experience. I once was in a regular priesthood church meeting and our stake president (this was when I was single and in a singles ward) came in and shared his testimony of Joseph Smith. He told us that he went through a period of time where he was reading all kinds of information about the Prophet and the more he read, the more upset and shaken he was in his testimony. He then told us about an experience he had in the temple where he was basically told directly (he heard a voice) that Joseph Smith was God’s servant. I felt the Spirit quite strongly in that meeting and I never forgot hearing that testimony. It stayed with me. I think prophets have unique characters, personalities and gifts. In their callings they may at times be asked to do things that seem really odd or even downright perverse. We see an example of this with Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son. I just want to say that I have a strong testimony of Joseph Smith. I’m really grateful for him. |
I’ve enjoyed this discussion. I’m grateful for those who have traveled the faith challenging road surrounding church history; namely, polygamy, the prophets “failings”, and etc. and yet have been close enough to the spirit to maintain, and even grow in their testimony that Joseph Smith is the Lord’s prophet. We’re told the Lord will have a tried people. In my case, all these kinds of issues have been answered, they have no more hold on me at all. I’ve turned my attention to seeking after the sorts of things Elder Bednar has been talking about <a href=”Title“>here since his call as an Apostle. I love Nephi’s invitation to follow Christ (1 Nephi 31:17-21)and can testify by experience that this is the way to proceed. Graduate quickly from whatever troubles you and embrace the words of Nephi and embrace your Gift of the Holy Ghost and learn to wrestle with the Lord in mighty prayer for whatever blessings you stand in need of. Note: I hope the link I entered to one of Elder Bednar’s talks works out. |
Its not my day, the link I entered in #21 didn’t work and I put the wrong scripture reference. Correction: 2 Nephi 31:17-21 and the link to Elder Bednar’s talk is http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-690-8,00.html |
My husband joined the church in 1983, I was a member but was never active. A short stint during primary before I was to be baptized, due to a faithful and diligent primary president’s efforts, and a few weeks as a teenager attending Mutual. I had however attended a multitude of churches trying to find the right fit but they were all wrong after a while. Shortly after joining in 1983 I was given a novel about Emma Smith by some friends in the Church. In it was the issue of Joseph Smith’s polygamy among some of the other “warts” associated with him and I was troubled muchly by it. I was wondering how someone like that could do the work he did and have it be true. I struggled with it for a long time because a brother told me that if I couldn’t accept Joseph in all his glory then I couldn’t accept the Book of Mormon either and if that were the case, what was I doing here. So it became an issue. Then I realized that Joseph had failings, the Book of Mormon wasn’t one of them, the organization of the church wasn’t one of them. I believe in the church and the Book of Mormon and know Joseph was a prophet. A human one. One that had that calling for a relatively short period of time. I could get caught up in the “he set the rules but broke the rules” issue. I choose not to think about them all that much. Reading the book would be okay for me to do, because it would still fall into the same category of not letting it change my mind to leave the church, but to let me learn more of the early history of the church. Great post, thanks for all the great comments. |
I’ve enjoyed this post a lot. A couple of weeks ago in Priesthood we discussed one of Josephs failings as a man and a prophet. I think this account of the circumstances is incredibly revelaing – not the fact that he made a real blunder; but his genuine anguish at having done so, and his consternation that he had lost his calling altogether. The sincerity this scene evokes is striking:
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OK, by block quote attempt failed, so let’s try this again. I’ve enjoyed this post a lot. A couple of weeks ago in Priesthood we discussed one of Josephs failings as a man and a prophet. I think this account of the circumstances is incredibly revelaing – not the fact that he made a real blunder; but his genuine anguish at having done so, and his consternation that he had lost his calling altogether. The sincerity this scene evokes is striking: “On June 14, 1828, Martin Harris left Harmony, Pennsylvania, taking the first 116 manuscript pages translated from the gold plates to show to some of his family members in Palmyra, New York. The very next day, Joseph and Emma’s first child was born, a son they named Alvin. The baby died that same day, and Emma’s health declined until she was near death herself. The Prophet’s mother later wrote: “For some time, [Emma] seemed to tremble upon the verge of the silent home of her infant. So uncertain seemed her fate for a season that in the space of two weeks her husband never slept one hour in undisturbed quiet. At the end of this time, his anxiety became so great about the manuscript that he determined, as his wife was now some better, that as soon as she had gained a little more strength he would make a trip to New York and see after the same.†In July, at Emma’s suggestion, the Prophet left Emma in her mother’s care and traveled by stagecoach to his parents’ home in Manchester Township, New York. The Prophet’s trip covered about 125 miles and took two or three days to complete. Distraught about the loss of his firstborn son, worried about his wife, and gravely concerned about the manuscript, Joseph neither ate nor slept during the entire trip. A fellow traveler, the only other passenger on the stagecoach, observed the Prophet’s weakened state and insisted on accompanying him for the 20-mile walk from the stagecoach station to the Smith home. For the last four miles of the walk, recalled the Prophet’s mother, “the stranger was under the necessity of leading Joseph by his arm, for nature was too much exhausted to support him any longer and he would fall asleep as he stood upon his feet.†Immediately upon reaching his parents’ home, the Prophet sent for Martin Harris. Martin arrived at the Smith home in the early afternoon, downcast and forlorn. He did not have the manuscript, he said, and did not know where it was. Hearing this, Joseph exclaimed, “Oh! My God, my God. … All is lost, is lost. What shall I do? I have sinned. It is I that tempted the wrath of God by asking him for that which I had no right to ask. … How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?†As the day wore on, the Prophet paced back and forth in his parents’ home in great distress, “weeping and grieving.†The next day he left to return to Harmony, where, he said, “I commenced humbling myself in mighty prayer before the Lord … that if possible I might obtain mercy at his hands and be forgiven of all that I had done which was contrary to his will.†The Lord severely chastised the Prophet for fearing man more than God, but assured him he could be forgiven. “Thou art Joseph,†the Lord said, “and thou wast chosen to do the work of the Lord, but because of transgression, if thou art not aware thou wilt fall. But remember, God is merciful; therefore, repent of that which thou hast done which is contrary to the commandment which I gave you, and thou art still chosen, and art again called to the work†(D&C 3:9–10). For a time, the Lord took the Urim and Thummim and the plates from Joseph. But these things were soon restored to him. “The angel was rejoiced when he gave me back the Urim and Thummim,†the Prophet recalled, “and said that God was pleased with my faithfulness and humility, and loved me for my penitence and diligence in prayer, in the which I had performed my duty so well as to … be able to enter upon the work of translation again.†As Joseph moved forward in the great work before him, he was now fortified by the sweet feelings of receiving the Lord’s forgiveness and a renewed determination to do His will.” In my mind, seeing the details of Joseph’s failings are even greater evidence of his divine calling. A charlatan would never discuss or publish such things, nor act with such visceral anguish as we see here. Notice that Joseph did not berate Martin (as most of us probably would), but assumed all the blame and responsibility himself. Can you imagine what it would mean to be given such a task as was laid on his back, and that as a child, having never sought for it in the first place? Most of us would crumble, I believe. I find it easier to believe in a flawed human being who has been given a seemingly impossible divine task (and who blunders a bit as I surely would) than a super-heroesque portrayal of prophetic perfection. The latter belongs in comic books. Regards, Neal |
Great post and discussion – knowing the leaders are fallible is critical for me to accept people like ETB as a prophet despite some of the things they said. |
Just another side of the coin to consider. What some of us may opine or assume to be blunders (warts, shortcomings, etc) on the part of the prophets, may not actually be so. The things some of us find hard to accept about the details of Joseph’s polygamy may well in fact have been things where Joseph was following the Lord’s commandments exactly. Some things may _not_ have been missteps, though they might appear so to us looking back from this point in time. Ezra Taft Benson’s more provocative statements may actually have been in line with the Lord’s will, and it could be our false sense of political-correctness or “we’re more modern so we know better” type of hubris which blinds us to whatever truth is contained in those supposedly awkward statements. Since later prophets have not denied or denounced previous prophets, we should probably be open to the possibility of hearing the Lord say in a future day, “That statement or action was according to what I told them” in regards to things that we might personally think the previous prophets had been mistaken about. The only mistakes we can legitimately ascribe are the ones the men themselves admitted. The Lord decrees, and the Lord revokes. Just because things change, doesn’t mean they were “wrong” before. Moses told the Hebrews he was taking them to the promised land, then the Lord revoked, and made them wait in the desert 40 years until all the adults died off. To the adults at the time, it looks like either Moses lied, or broke his promise. So in those instances where the prophets and apostles said/did things that make us go “tut-tut”, but were not admitted to be or later declared to be mistakes, we should be open to the very likely possibility that the Lord intended it to be that way. |
Outstanding post, Jeff! I’ve felt much the same with regard to the “warts†of various spiritual/religious leaders. In fact, I often wished that the scriptural prophets’ stories were told more fully, showing them also as flawed humans who strove to attain spiritual heights. Stories of human struggle and improvement can be much more inspiring than “pretty portraits of perfect people.†That is the story of the Old Testament and parts of the New. To read of the conflicts between Peter and Paul pretty much catches just about everything. |
Jeff, Beware of the following somewhat-rant, I recently had a long discussion with a brother-in-law on this topic. He is struggling with being Mormon nowadays due to some serious questions about the history of the church that he has never had until he was put into a bishopric and really dug into D&C. D&C 132 especially gets him fired up in its reference to Emma Smith and Polygamy. Of course, that is not the only issue he has, although it is the most glaring doctrinal issue. He grew up in Utah and is now living outside of Utah and he is trying to identify himself in his new surroundings and these Church issues give him a lean away from the church. He attributes his lack of experience and knowledge of the “warts” of the Church “Corporate Kool-aid” on the part of Mormons. His struggles have led him to cry out a resounding “Hell no, none” to the title of this post. I firmly agree to that sentiment. My B-in-Law wants to have a philosophy of “living my truth”- or living who he really is a feel like being- “Keeping it Real”. He is beginning to expect the same from the church. We had a good conversation and I think he felt better knowing that I felt the same way, but was committed to the Church on a more simple foundation than history. Today I shipped him a copy of RSR so he can take a good whack at the false image of the Mormon Church he was raised with and start being real. That’s the premise for a new MTV show. This is another case of the “Corporate Kool-aid” of the Church running afoul with what we are more than able to learn for ourselves. And I am in no way pointing a finger at GAs on this one. My B-in-law can count on one hand how many times he’s interacted with a GA. It’s the more daily or weekly interactions that rub us wrong. It’s one person bumping into each of these people on a blog and feeling the “judgment” of “righteous” and “right” members. Not only can we do better in Church to acknowledge the flaws of our leaders and some of the written words, but also and more-qualifyingly-so, the flaws in ourselves and our ideas. |
I found that RSR actually increased my faith. Joseph Smith came across as a real person, and there were quite a few areas where he was remarkably insightful. If perfection were a prerequisite for being a prophet, I don’t think we’d have any. The only thing particularly problematic for me were the early years of polygamy. For better or worse, many of the details are no longer verifiable; the evidence certainly points in certain directions, but in many cases it’s hard to say what really happened. I can live with that. I think it’s a mistake to paint Joseph Smith as someone who could do no wrong. He serves much better as an example of someone who lived his faith boldly, and for that we can all be grateful. |