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You kind of miss the point. There is no real argument about whether naturalistic history is bad or unacceptable. The issue is mostly where it stands vis a vis other approaches. Naturalistic history is the default form of history, it dates back to Thucydides’ first piece of serious history, and it will continue to be an acceptable and prevalent form of history for the indefinite future. I like Bushman’s approach to history. But it is a controversial one, and it has been criticized harshly. It will never be a substitute for naturalism. It may some day be accepted alongside the naturalistic method. But that’s the best it can ever hope for is to attain the status of a full-fledged alternative to naturalism. The basic problem is with how Mormons approach history, not how history approaches Mormonism. Most people (our non-Mormon friends, neighbors, professors, politicians, etc) adopt a naturalistic view of Mormonism, because they don’t believe that God appeared to Joseph or that Joseph translated the Book of Mormon. And Mormons often accept this disbelief of their friends, neighbors, professors, and politicians without even giving it a thought. But if you put that opinion into a book and give it a bibliography, then they go apeshit. Frankly, this makes Mormons look like fanatics. When Mormons go after Brodie, they’re trying in vain to discredit a manifestly meritorious biography by one of the 20th century’s premier scholarly biographers. This inevitably strikes many non-Mormons as strange and cult-like — because it is. In short, it creates a bad impression. And a lot of people end up thinking that all Mormons have an aversion to Fawn Brodie just because she paints a non-believing portrait of Joseph, and they don’t see this as categorically different from the Islamicist fetish with portrayals of Mohammed. If one who wants to be an intellectual, and not just someone who uses intellectual phrases to feign objectivity while trashing everything that irritates her sensibilities, then she must stop judging assessments of Joseph Smith based on whether they affirm his mission. Just relax. Don’t be defensive. Not everybody has to believe in Joseph’s mission. Sure, Brodie thought he was a fraud. So what? I’m proud of Fawn Brodie’s biography of our prophet. I’m proud that Brodie says so many very nice things about him. I’m proud to see Brodie characterize Joseph as a great and influential man, as a man of pre-eminent energy and ingenuity and charisma and innovation and accomplishment. And I want other people to know these things about him even if they don’t believe in his mission or join our church. That pre-eminently energetic, ingenious, charismatic, innovative, and accomplished man — that’s Joseph. That’s my prophet. And I thank God for him. And Dan Vogel’s bio of Joseph Smith is really terrific. It doesn’t get enough discussion on the bloggernacle. Maybe I’ll do a post. |
The story of the French woman is interesting, because it illustrates a problem we have in accepting others’ claims to revelation when they fall outside the parameters we have for determining what is true or false revelation. A current example of this is John Edward; we should probably do a post/poll on LDS reactions to him, which I have seen varying wildly over the years. DKL, I’m afraid you are the one missing the point here, in the you fail to see how phrases like these:
referring to how members of the Church respond to naturalistic or critical assessments of Joseph Smith, sound very much like your reaction to criticism of Fawn Brodie, Dan Vogel, etc. |
Dan, it’s worth nothing that you don’t answer anything I say beyond asserting, “You’re the one that goes apeshit, not us.” The question isn’t whether honest people can disagree about Brodie’s bio. The question is whether Mormon’s who criticize her are making serious criticisms. Read the thread where I argue in favor of Brodie’s bio. Those criticizing Brodie are nqt making serious arguments. Each of the arguments against Brodie in that thread are made out of ignorance. Jeff, for example, argues that Brodie gets no credit for torpedoing the Spaulding theory, because all she did was substitute the Ethan Smith theory(!). The claim is made that Bushman doesn’t like Brodie, when the truth is that he has a positive view of the biography and relies quite heavily on it throughout his own bio. This isn’t serious thinking. It’s little more than a bunch of ignorant people trying to dress up their own anti-intellectual prejudices in the trappings of reasonableness. That’s why it looks bad. And Brodie’s status among the premier biographers of the 20th century isn’t a subjective one. She is. Her bios of Thaddeus Stevens, Joseph Smith, and Richard Burton are 20th century classics. Her biography of Joseph Smith is among the best selling scholarly biographies ever written. The Mormon denial of this is just one more creepy, cult-minded nonsense. |
The current issue of _Dialogue_ has a wonderful piece by Jane Barnes, who was the writer for Helen Whitney’s _The Mormons_. She talks of Brodie’s work as being her pathway to Joseph Smith, who she sees as a remarkable man, if not a “prophet.” |
DKL, |
Dan, calling it a double standard implies that you’re arguing with me on equal footing. Though it is frustrating to constantly confront a bunch of ignorant people trying to dress up their own anti-intellectual prejudices in the trappings of reasonableness, the worst one can say of me is that I don’t suffer fools. And if you’re going to sling unfounded nonsense at everything that doesn’t pander to your exquisite Mormon sensibilities and pretend that in doing so you’re being eminently reasonable, then it won’t do to complain when people think that you belong to a cult. |
Margaret, thanks for pointing that out. I look forward to reading that. I don’t know if you remember during Helen Whitney’s MHA presentation. Three presentation rooms were combined to host her presentation, and there was standing room only. Some element in the audience was quite hostile to her documentary, as was the response to Ms. Whitney given by the BYU professor. Given how positive and powerful Ms. Whitney’s portrayal of Mormonism is, it’s frankly bizarre that there was so much hostility toward her production — very much analogous to the standard Mormon reaction to Fawn Brodie. It didn’t suit their prejudices, and therefore it had to be bad. At one point during the Q&A session, Michael Van Wagenen asked Ms. Whitney if she got the same grief from Catholics when she made “The Millennial Pope.” If I recall correctly, after a short, but very powerful pause, Ms. Whitney, responded simply, “No.” This prompted laughs in some areas of the room — including mine. In this sense, the shenanigans of the no-way-but-my-way crowd are laughable, even humorous. The real bothersome thing is how badly it reflects upon Mormonism. |
My belief that Bushman isn’t fond of Brodie my surmise, not based on anything I have heard him say or read. But no one who wants to be taken seriously in the academic world can dare challenge Brodie frontally. You’re still sore about Ethan Smith? Brodie doesn’t get credit for that anyway; it was first raised (as Bushman points out in Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism) by I. Woodbridge Riley in 1902. As Bushman writes, “Riley’s greatest achievement was to break with the Spalding theory of the Book of Mormon, which he analyzed at length and destroyed. The removal of one of the pillars of the skeptical interpretation compelled Riley to seek an alternative, which he accomplished with great imagination. He revived Alexander Campbell’s short-lived belief that contemporary cultural influences accounted for the Book of Mormon, and identified the nineteenth-century themes in the volume: anti-Catholicism, anti-Masonry, fear of infidelity, and curiosity about Indian origins. Riley was the first to suggest Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews… as sources for the Book of Mormon.” That is a very familiar line to anyone who has read Brodie or Vogel, neither of whom were even very original. Even if you are only passingly familiar with anti-Mormon literature, you quickly realize how depressingly, and boringly derivative it all is. Like the less well-disguised forms of anti-Mormonism, even this pseudo-intellectual psychologizing and environmentalist claptrap is in the end just more recycled cant. Bushman continues: “As notable for its journalistic brilliance as for its scholarship [a backhanded compliment, I argue], No Man Knows My History presented Riley’s arguments and findings in a form more palatable to twentieth-century tastes.” (p. 191). Brodie and Vogel, like her progentors DeVoto and Arbaugh and Riley, are just dressed-up Anti-Mormons, more acceptable to the genteel tastes of the so-called intellectuals. It’s anti-Mormonism in a black tie and a dinner jacket. I will meet you halfway and say that Brodie’s portrait of Joseph is affectionate, but I But on the other side of the fence, Smith’s claims are too strong, and too recent, to treat dispassionately. Like Jesus’ claim that he didn’t bring peace, but the sword, Joseph’s restoration will inevitably offend and cause his name, as Moroni prophesied, to be had for good or ill among all nations. Historians can write their histories how they like; I do not demand they accept his mission, but if a writer says that she can explain Joseph or the Book of Mormon naturalistically, then she should explain Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon naturalistically. I have explained elsewhere and at length how I think Brodie fails to provide a coherent explanation for Smith even according to her own naturalistic assumptions. I could take the time to do the same for her treatment of the Book of Mormon, which is even more amateur, shifting, and incoherent. Brodie can choose not to believe in Joseph’s mission, and can write a book purporting that he is an amiable, conscious fraud, but then she ought to at least explain how that holds together. I am judging Brodie (and others) on their own naturalistic terms, and I think they fail on their own terms. Are we to believe that Joseph Smith’s amiable charismatic powers were so great they could convince people of the truth of his mission who never met him or heard him speak? How did he do it? Brodie is no more convincing than Mary Ward, who said he learned a trick from a “German pedlar” and could fix people in the eye and make them do and say anything. Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon, influenced by View of the Hebrews, and a host of others? This is not a thesis, it’s “name that tune” set to the Book of Mormon. And he wrote it alone, or with help? What help? Oliver? Sidney Rigdon? When and how and through whom did they meet? When did they find time to compose it, between the money-digging and the field-plowing and the wife-stealing? I’m not saying you have to accept everything the witnesses say about the book and its coming forth (for instance, there’s no reason you have to limit the book’s production to 78 days) but take the book apart, and put it back together, along a plausible timeline that fits with what we know about his life, and what we now have with the original and printers’ manuscripts. Brodie and Vogel don’t do this. They say it might have been this, it might have been that. They dump out a junkyard collection of parts on the table, point out the odd part or pulley, and say, “see, it’s easy to imagine how Joseph Smith could have put the Book of Mormon together! Maybe he used this pulley, or maybe he used this spring, but it must have been something like that!” Ladies and gentlemen, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. This is enough to satisfy people who have a pre-conceived notion of what Joseph Smith could not have been, but does not pass truly critical scrutiny. I have read much of Vogel’s biography. Having read much of his prior work, I was bracing for a real tooth-grinder, expecting to thoroughly hate it. But I didn’t, for the most part, and that was a pleasant surprise. Though I wouldn’t call it “really terrific” myself. But you are missing my point if you think this is my main focus in this post. The question I try to examine, from the point of view of a believer, is: What is the value of reading biographies of Joseph? As for the rest, it can be summarized thus: (1) A biography, sympathetic or unsympathetic, cannot tell you whether Joseph Smith was really a prophet. (2) The world will never accept Joseph Smith the way we see him. (3) Get over it. Isn’t that what you were trying to say as well? |
DKL, |
Jeff Bennion: You’re still sore about Ethan Smith? Brodie doesn’t get credit for that anyway; it was first raised (as Bushman points out in Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism) by I. Woodbridge Riley in 1902 This is why discussing things with you is so tiresome. First of all, you started out by claiming “she merely replaced that theory with the Ethan Smith theory, that has him borrowing the Book of Mormon materials from Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews” (in this comment). This, “mere replacement” assertion is untenable, because (as I point out), Ethan Smith’s works would have provided a research basis for the Book of Mormon, instead of the wholesale plagiarism of Spaulding. Now you change it to “Brodie doesn’t get credit for that anyway.” Second, I’m the one who brought up Woodbridge Riley in our previous conversation about the history of the Spaulding theory. Given that I’ve emphasized source materials for Brodie’s work more than any other participant in the argument, it won’t do for you to pretend that you’re somehow making a meaningful contribution to your side of the argument at this point. Third, I’ve repeatedly dismissed the importance of whether No Man Knows My History was original. In fact, I’ve done far more in my comments (mostly in the exchange on your other post) to explicate the sources of much of her material. It’s quite enough for my point that her work was influential where Riley’s and others was not. And this is beyond argument. That said, I’ve argued with enough people about Brodie to have seen a pattern: People only take up the “she wasn’t original” argument as a last resort. It is, after all, a very week argument. You can’t, for example, discredit Flexner by pointing out where he relied on earlier biographies of George Washington when he wrote his own. Jeff Bennion: Brodie and Vogel, like her progentors DeVoto and Arbaugh and Riley, are just dressed-up Anti-Mormons, more acceptable to the genteel tastes of the so-called intellectuals. It’s anti-Mormonism in a black tie and a dinner jacket. This is bald-faced stupidity and nothing more. Works like those by Brodie and Vogel are the best shot that Mormons have at being accepted and admired as a mainstream religion. Jeff Bennion: Are we to believe that Joseph Smith’s amiable charismatic powers were so great they could convince people of the truth of his mission who never met him or heard him speak?…. This is enough to satisfy people who have a pre-conceived notion of what Joseph Smith could not have been, but does not pass truly critical scrutiny. This is nothing more than apologetic nonsense. It amounts to saying that the preponderance of evidence indicates that Joseph was truly a prophet, and it is a rather shabby attempt to dress up your own anti-intellectual prejudices in the trappings of reasonableness. |
Dan Ellsworth, try not to hyperventilate when your pretensions to intellect aren’t validated. |
Here we go again… I am grateful for another discussion on this topic, especially from a fresh start. I think other discussions have only become muddled. Mormons are more apt to defer to Mormon references, and have so for as long as there have been treatments of Mormon things, but for good reason. It is the same reason intellectuals reject Mormon literature. Dan refers to this in terms of the hypocrisy of intellectuals refusing to see it our way. The example hanging over Mormon Mentality is Fawn Brodie’s portrayal of Joseph as an all-round great guy, but not a prophet. That is a crippling conclusion for the Mormon faith. It is unreasonable to demand that Mormons relinquish spiritual tradition for the sake of good literature. It is also unreasonable for Mormons to demand the intellectual tradition convert to only seeing it our way. Mormons need to allow for intellectual methodology and intellectuals must account for spiritual tradition. I see two points of conflict in these threads: 1) Has there been a generous enough treatment of Joseph Smith by naturalism where biases have been abandoned, at least to humor the idea of God guiding the man? 2) Where does one put their faith: Into the biases of the intellectual tradition, or the biases of the religious/spiritual tradition? Each position can be proven just as cult-like and unreasonable as the other, just as each position can choose be as moderate and generous as it likes. I fall into the religious biases category, though I consider myself moderately so, and I do not think there has been a proper treatment of the Prophet for the reasons Jeff has provided. Jeff, that Bushman quote says it all. |
#7 DKL, Mormons are to Catholics as Apples are to….Oranges. |
And you’re painting an interesting picture of yourself. |
Your conclusion sums it all up beautifully. No matter what we may learn from all of the wonderful pro-Joseph or anti-Joseph books in the world, it’s the pondering up the book that he brought forth that will really teach us all the most. Great post! |
I agree- great post, Jeff. The BoM is remarkable, and I enjoyed Bushman’s treatment of it. To me, its messiness, its abrupt changes in pace, its wild swings in tone, theme, etc. are evidences that it reflects things that really happened in the crazy world I live in, but I don’t think any of those things matter at all to maybe the majority of people who examine the book. And I need to set the record straight regarding comment 11- no matter what anyone says, I really am an intellectual. I’ve had several people tell me that over the years, and I have no reason not to believe them. |
There are two major problems here and DKL has hit the nails on their heads. First — Bushman and other LDS historians have created a rhetorical trap, but the main people who have fallen into it are Mormons themselves. There is no such thing as “naturalistic history.” The word “naturalism” may have a long described certain branches of philosophy, but is not normally applied to historians. When Doris Kearns Goodwin does the television circuit, selling her latest history of the US Presidents, she doesn’t specify to Jay Leno, “Jay, I’m a naturalistic historian.” If it were an actual phrase — which it’s not — saying that might set up a joke, because Leno could answer, “Doe that mean you write history books … naked?” What is being called “naturalism” here, is more accurately called “history.” Instead of saying “naturalists” (which means “nudists”), you should say “historians.” Shorn of the meaningless phrase “naturalist,” your question becomes: Can historians write Mormon history? The answer to that question is yes. If we have to make a rhetorical distinction, we can refer to this “portion” of history as “legitimate history.” Phrased properly and turned in the correct direction, the actual question here becomes: Is it possible for a person who sees supernatural causes directly influencing human events to write legitimate history? I read a history of medieval Genoa last month, and when the historian writing my secondary source got to a certain point in the narrative, she lamented that the city’s sole chronicler for this quarter century firmly believed in astrology. The bulk of his chronicle was devoted to showing how the stars governed events in Genoa. So “supernaturalistic history,” has a long tradition, even if the phrase “faithful history” has only recently been coined to misdescribe it. I firmly believe that there is a place and a benefit for devotional writing. But rhetorically wedging it into the temple of history by attempting to consign all of legitimate history to some non-existent attic you’ve labeled “the naturalist zone” is not the way to legitimize devotional work. Second — This leads us to DKL’s point that Mormons as a people, by attacking legitimate history, give non-Mormon people the impression that Mormons are cultlike. Mormon PR and the popular impression of Mormonism is a very separate point from the discussion of what constitutes history. However, I do think that reflexively attacking history signifies a lack of cultural sophistication. It is very possible for believing, practicing Catholics to write legitimate history. They do it all the time in dialogue with historians of Catholicism who do not believe supernatural powers effect events. And they are able to do it because Catholic culture is so very mature. Mormon culture is maturing and Bushman’s book is a major step in the direction of sophistication. What Bushman has done is build a bridge to show Mormon devotional writers how legimate history can inform and add to their narratives, instead of just using history for negative apologetics. As such, the book’s true significance is not what it tells us about Joseph Smith — it is how the book itself may affect Mormon culture in the here and now. |
John Hamer, good points, especially the last paragraph- I agree on the hopeful effects of RSR. However, I think there is a distinction to be made between someone believing that the stars guide events and someone believing that the stars guide events through them. I think that such a distinction necessarily complicates the story. And I think that too often, historians lament references to the supernatural, because that complicates the subject enormously and/or because the Historian has no references to draw on, being “objective” in scientific terms- facts=history. But the supernatural does not often leave a trail of crumbs. Mormon culture is maturing and still has a way to go. That said, there are attacks by other religious writers all the time on all manner of topics. The “immaturity” of religion is widespread. From the high horse of intellectualism, it will always be so. Like DKL, you fail to recognize the immaturity of intellectualism and the mainstream, which is one of the points of the post. With regards to religion, intellectualism all to often cuts down the forest to write about it. Intellectuals reject religion. And you and DKL present a perspective of “Mormons must come to us” as if intellectualism represents truth. To their credit, I doubt any intellectual worth their weight would agree that they can produce the purest truth. One of the points here is that there is an equally important constituency on the other side of the divide who often says “Intellectuals must come to us,” because religion says that it has the real truth. Mormons especially adhere to the notions of their truth. The most interesting thing is the notion that the best test of Joseph Smith as a Prophet remains and will remain entirely out of the hands of intellectuals and the historian’s craft. It lies entirely in the supernatural. “O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God.” (2Ne9:28-29) |
Jeff, I was going to write a very detailed refutation of many points, but I think I will just take a page out of your book and say: Jeff’s words are very familiar line to anyone who has read Mormon apologetics, none of it is even very original. Even if you are only passingly familiar with Mormon apologetic literature, you quickly realize how depressingly, and boringly derivative it all is. Like the less well-disguised forms of bad Mormon apologetics, even this pseudo-intellectual “bracketing” and “weak/strong naturalism” claptrap is in the end just more recycled bunk. See #8 paragraph 2 for a reference. But seriously, after you said wrote that paragraph you lost me 100%. If we, as Mormons, are going to consign historical works to the ash heap by simply labeling them as derivative crap, is it any wonder that non-Mormons do the same to Bushman or other works by faithful Mormons? |
John Hamer, wow! You make the points about as clearly as they can be made. David Clark, nicely put. Dan Ellsworth, I thought that #11 was a very funny and outrageous thing to say, in light of your accusation that I’m hyperventilating. I was laughing to myself as I typed it. In print, by itself, it seems harsher than I thought it would. I apologize. |
Actually David, I agree most apologetics is boring and repetitive. That’s the main reason I stopped reading. Just as anti-Mormons (and even some “naturalists”) recycle the same positions and arguments so do the apologists. There is good apologetics out there. But let’s be honest. Most of the arguments have been done to death. There are new things to be said. I’m looking forward to the next chapter in the attacks and defenses on the Book of Abraham. But let’s not kid ourselves. Most of the positions are well nailed down by now. |
John Hamer (#17) the word you were thinking of was not naturalism, but naturism. Though I don’t doubt a naturist history of Mormonism would be very popular, especially if it had lots of pictures and the Mormons depicted were attractive! As David Clark (#19) pointedly pointed out, the term naturalist history is not original to me (nor, I freely admit, much of what I wrote here about Brodie. The difference is my humble blog contributions here are not hailed as groundbreaking, original, or definitive, as Brodie’s was and is.) “Bracketing,” despite your distaste for it, is a term I appropriated from Bushman himself. Perhaps you are not familiar with the term “naturalism,” as applied to history, and is widely used, is because its province is confined to questions of religion and religious figures? It would be a non sequitur for Doris Kearns Goodwin to say she is writing “naturalistic” histories of Presidents. If we believed our presidents were divine, there might be other kinds. (Perhaps after the election of President Obama, secular messiah, we will need to make the distinction…) Your example of the Genoese’s astrological biography could still be naturalistic depending on his use of astrology. I have not read it of course, but it could be an interesting organizing principle which need not completely mar his work. Better examples to consider would be the Iliad or the Aeneid. Here we have events depicted as historical which also have mythic components. How should we treat these? Some rejected the entire tales as completely invented, up to and including the existence of the city of Troy. Schliemann of course proved them wrong, but that doesn’t mean, if there was a Troy, that there must also be an Athena. I do not see how you can deny this great gulf in how Mormon history is presented. DeVoto certainly sees it the way I see it. Dale Morgan did too. I cited enough information from Fawn Brodie’s correspondence that indicated which side she wanted to be on. She expected, even welcomed, criticism from the Church. Perhaps a citation from something Dan Vogel recently wrote will illuminate his motives with his own work:
Here is how Bushman puts it in On the Road With Joseph Smith:
A little more on Brodie he writes on page 102:
And one more on page 115:
You can see where I get the idea he isn’t too fond of Brodie’s work, though of course he doesn’t ever come out and say so, so I could be wrong. On the other hand, when it comes to the reception of the LDS faithful, overall he was pleasantly surprised at how well-received the book was in LDS circles; he was braced for a much more hostile reception. He talks about the large crowds awaiting him in the firesides he did in Utah, and how amazed he was that a scholarly biography was on the shelves at Costco (which is where I had to fight off lots of other people to buy my copy). In other words, the LDS people came to him, in droves, and proved they did not demand airbrushed hagiographies of their founding Prophet. The world, however, was a different story. Bushman talks about how stung he was by Larry McMurtry’s ignorant and contemptuous review of his book in the New York Times Review of Books, and wonders if he even read much of his biography at all:
It wasn’t any better in academic circles. He describes his reaction to a review from a professor friend of his, Laurie Mafflie-Kipp:
And after one of many panels he held on the topic, he writes:
We do not create this divide by our refusal to welcome these flawed portraits with open arms, causing people to think we’re members of a cult; it is already there; our efforts only expose the pre-existing biases:
It is not the Mormons, for the most part, who are knee-jerk and closed-minded about depictions of Joseph Smith. On one side, you have people who, either because they actively want to destroy faith (e.g., Dan Vogel), or because they want to curry favor with worldly intellectuals (e.g., Fawn Brodie) must assume that Joseph Smith could not be what he claimed he was. Any other assumption will do, except for the one obvious to believing Mormons. And on the other side, you have people who either set the question aside, or meet Joseph where he claimed he was and his believers put him. This is not a non-Mormon/Mormon divide, nor is it a “faithful”/”unfaithful” history divide, since I have cited examples of non-Mormon, non-believing historians and writers who “bracket” Joseph Smith’s truth claims, such as Robert Remini or Douglas Davies. Perhaps you can think of better terms than strong and weak naturalism to describe this phenomenon, but the gulf nevertheless exists. Bushman knows. His memoir recounts how it bit him over and over again. |
The basic problem with the typical Mormon approach to Brodie is this: Too many Mormons perceive Brodie’s 500-page bio as primarily an attempt to explain away Joseph’s miraculous powers. Consequently, they (mistakenly) think that they can answer her by showing that her attempted explanations don’t work. This view represents small-minded, provincial Mormonism at its worst. Aside from the fact that very little of her biography is actually given over to explanations of Joseph’s miraculous powers, this view fundamentally fails to grasp the non-Mormon approach to Joseph. Specifically, the average non-Mormons reading Brodie’s biography don’t consider for even a second that Joseph had miraculous powers. Indeed, they’re not even curious about whether he had miraculous powers. They either (a) don’t admit the possibility of miracles or (b) they don’t admit the possibility of uniquely Mormon miracles. Thus, the question of “explaining away” Joseph’s miraculous powers never even arises. Anti-Mormons tend exhibit this same weakness as Mormons on this front: They, too, perceive Brodie primarily as someone explaining away miracles. But Mormons and anti-Mormons make up a small part of the audience to which No Man Knows My History appeals. Mormons and anti-Mormons alone are not a profitable audience, and they could not keep No Man Knows My History perpetually in print by a major publisher for more than 6 decades. The average non-Mormon reading No Man Knows My History approaches Joseph Smith the same way that I approach (say) Mohammed. When I read about Mohammed, I don’t entertain the slightest possibility that he worked the miracles that are attributed to him. This doesn’t make me anti-Muslim; it makes me non-Muslim. And since I’m always already pre-disposed to disbelieve in Mohammed, explanations of his miracles don’t explain anything away. They simply explain. An example: a guy with whom I worked knows something about Joseph from books that he’s read like American Jesus and some tome offering a Marxist take on the Jacksonian era (I can’t recall the title). He recently learned that Joseph had been a treasure digger. He related to me that when he learned this, he had an “ah-ha” moment relating to Joseph’s finding of the buried Golden Plates. There was never a question of explaining the Golden Plates story away. This guy had simply supposed that Joseph Smith was a delusional lunatic. After all, what kind of an moron just up and claims to have found Golden Plates (aside from the sanitized fantasy Joseph of Sunday School)? But once he found out about the treasure digging, Joseph Smith made more sense to him. There is a history of buried-treasure seeking that precedes Joseph’s discovery of buried Golden Plates. And there’s a history behind all of Joseph’s accomplishments; e.g., the yankee conception of the mound-builders and the popular idea of Indian origins as captured in the writings of Ethan Smith. This is the history that Fawn Brodie tells, and she paints a believable picture of Joseph Smith as a man who transforms America’s religious landscape through his own immense energy and the sheer force of his personality, becoming America’s foremost religious reformer. Nobody did this before Fawn Brodie. That’s why she’s credited with inventing the Joseph Smith biography. Some day, this guy with whom I worked will probably read Brodie. He’s an immensely intelligent and well-read man (2 Harvard degrees; 1 Oxford Degree). If you offered him your critique of Brodie’s book, he’d roll his eyes and never give you another thought. Hopefully, he wouldn’t generalize this impression of you to all Mormons, and he’d remember that there actually were Mormons willing to engage in intelligent discussions about Mormon scholarship. And another thing: If you frame the discussion of Joseph Smith in terms of whose explanation of Joseph is more credible, then you’ve set yourself up to lose. Scholars still have some work to do to explain the miracles of early Mormonism, but Mormon apologists must do even more work to lift their current explanations of alleged early Mormon frauds to a level of reasonable credibility; e.g., the Kinderhook Plates, Joseph Smith’s Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar, the Book of Abraham, Zelph, and Joseph’s propositioning of other men’s wives. The “plausible explanation” approach to Joseph is a losing proposition for Mormons, and it’s counter-productive to try to answer Brodie by arguing that you don’t find her explanations persuasive when so many of our own are in complete shambles. And, come on: Have you even read Remeni? His bio is a fine introductory piece on Joseph, but it’s written to meet the non-controversial standards of survey history. Remeni never intended it to be in the same league as Brodie or Bushman or Hill, and it’s just silly for you to hold it up as an example. Your attempt to do so does not strengthen your argument. On the contrary, it demonstrates (yet again) that you don’t know enough about Joseph Smith biography to determine what is and is not relevant to the argument at hand. This throw-mud-at-the-wall-to-see-what-sticks approach to arguing is hardly evidence of a serious mind at work. I read On the Road last year. You’re taking him to mean what you want him to mean. (If you’re surprised that Bushman find’s Brodie to be more interested in Joseph than she is in Mormonism, then I’m not sure what to say). Listen to Bushman’s podcast with John Dehlin. And liking Bushman’s book doesn’t make you intellectually mature, though you’re arguments against Brodie do indicate that you’ve got some growing up to do in terms of stepping outside of the Mormon worldview to come to grips with real and realistic perceptions that thinking non-Mormons have of Mormons and Mormon history. Scholarship ain’t a sit-com. It’s not there to cater to your predispositions. Sometimes the best scholarship will completely piss you off and you may never agree with it. Your test for intellectual maturity will be whether you can still acknowledge that it has merit quite apart from your own aversion to it. |
This is also true of apologetic scholarship. |
Dan Ellsworth, wrong again. The term apologetic scholarship is an oxymoron unless you wish to equivocate on the term scholarship. The extent to which something is apologetic is exactly the extant to which it lacks scholarly rigor. |
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Dan Ellsworth, my statement that apologetics are not scholarship is not an insult to apologetics; it is an analytic truth. In real scholarship, the conclusions must be validated by peers and experts, a consensus can reached by people arguing, and that consensus changes radically over time. In apologetics, the conclusions are fixed outside the realm of scholarship, and the apologists barrow whatever scholarly methods they can muster in defense of those conclusions, the purpose being to demonstrate that it is not logically impossible to hold to the defended conclusions in spite of the verdicts of scholars. For example, apologists argue that belief in the Book of Mormon as ancient history is plausible because the Mormon church teaches that it’s ancient history, not because there is a preponderance of evidence in its favor. If the church ever stops teaching that the Book of Mormon is ancient history, then expect the apologetics to cease. It simply is not credible of you to insist that apologetics get equal standing with scholarship. This is also an intellectually immature position. |
DKL, Apologetics may not deserve equal standing, but I think it is fundamentally requisite that any scholarly conclusion take into account what is not logically impossible in order to approach being established as a serious theory. Otherwise, one must assume prejudice. But in light of your description, how do you explain the generally poor reception of RSR among scholarly circles? |
nasamomdele: I think it is fundamentally requisite that any scholarly conclusion take into account what is not logically impossible in order to approach being established as a serious theory. This goes way too far. Geographers and astronomers needn’t engage the flat-Earth theory in order to do serious scholarship. nasamomdele: But in light of your description, how do you explain the generally poor reception of RSR among scholarly circles? When we read biographies, we want more than just a list of names, dates, and places. We want expert, supported opinions on the issues surrounding the subject of the biography, especially the controversial. Authors who skirt such issues do so at their own peril, because readers are likely to think that the author took the easy way out. And the more that readers think that an author has taken the easy way out, the less seriously they take the book. I think that Bushman has to leave a bunch of Joseph Smith controversies open-ended, because faithful Mormon opinions are indefensible on a scholarly level. In my opinion, critics were quick to dismiss Bushman because, in spite of all his candor, they felt that he left too many questions open. Also, I think that critics (like Bushman himself) wanted RSR to top Brodie, and they didn’t feel that it did, so perhaps their expectations were too high. I do not believe that the critical reception will determine the status of the book over time. In fact, reviews can impact initial sales, but they seldom directly impact the long term viability of a book. Nobody but Mormons cite initial reviews of Brodie’s bio when they assess the quality of her book. I’m reminded of a contemporary review of Dickens’ Great Expectations that I read. It treated Dickens like he was just another reasonably prominent author, concluding that Great Expectations was worth reading because it was Dickens’ best book to date. But who offers this generally positive review as evidence that Great Expectations is a masterpiece of English literature? |
One last note on the Ethan Smith theory of Book of Mormon origin: Years before Brodie wrote No Man Knows My History, BH Roberts wrote two manuscripts, one short and one long, in which he argued that it was both possible and probable that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon. I read them both (the short one is an executive summary of the longer one) nearly 20 year ago, and they’re in a box in the basement, but as I recall, Roberts’ conclusions are based on (a) a detailed analysis of parallels between the BoM’s portrayal of ancient peoples within its narrative and the supposed facts about Indian origins that Ethan Smith presents in Views of the Hebrews, and (b) the nature and complexity of the BoM plot compared to the writing skills of people of Joseph’s time who had Joseph’s background. A friend of mine handled BH Roberts’ papers at the University of Utah, and he attests to the fact that his later writings do indicated that he’d jettisoned his belief that the Book of Mormon was a ancient document, though FARMS has tried to distort this truth. It’s worth noting that there are many people who believe that Joseph Smith authored the Book of Mormon who still believe that it has spiritual worth. People also believe in the documentary hypothesis of Torah authorship that dates its origin in the 6th century while while maintaining the scriptural value of the Torah. People who know that the book of Daniel was altogether a fabrication of 2nd-century Alexandrian Jews, but still look at Daniel as scripture. Believing that the Book of Mormon was a 19th century creation is not inconsistent with believing that it is the word of God manifested through scriptures. And if a prominent GA can hold that belief, it cannot be too heretical a belief. This is the current theory that is prevalent among academics who care enough to have a theory: The ideas about Indian origins put forward by Ethan Smith in Views of the Hebrews were prevalent enough in upstate New York, that Joseph would not have had to read Views of the Hebrews in order for the BoM narrative to reflect its contents. Nevertheless, it is possible, if not probable, that Joseph or someone with whom he closely associated read Views of the Hebrews. The MoM’s religious concepts are consistent with those discussed in the religious conflicts on New England’s Second Great Awakening. There is no evidence for BoM peoples or their written languages in archeology, preserved writings, known history, or extant DNA lines. Verdict: Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon. I do believe in the ancient origins of the Book of Mormon, but it’s worth noting that every fact enumerated in the the academic view is incontrovertible. When my wife and I were students at BYU, a religion professor told the class, “Nobody who’s studied the issue in-depth has ever come to the conclusion that Joseph Smith was capable of writing the Book of Mormon. When she told me this, I put post-it notes in about 15 spots where BH Roberts articulates his conclusions that it’s both possible and probable that Joseph wrote the Book of Mormon, and gave her the book to go back and talk to her teacher. He told her that he know about the BH Roberts texts, and just kind of equivocated, saying something to the effect of, “Yeah, well, you know, it’s complicated.” I have a serious problem with people on the church payroll behaving in this kind of way. This professor was basically lying to promote faith. |