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Jensen or Kikuchi. (BTW – Firefox is having an issue displaying this site … parts of the original post are hidden behind the right-hand sidebars. Or maybe it’s just me.) |
Interesting, Annegb. I think Jensen is a good bet, and I would love to have it be Kikuchi. I am not familiar enough with South/Central American GAs, so I cannot submit a name, but it seems like high time to have some representation. I have to admit that at the last satellite Stake Conference, Monsons talk was less than stellar, so I hope he is on his game, again, as you have mentioned. I was a little dissappointed he did not address the YW General Broadcast this weekend (not that you can complain about Elder Eyring) as I thought it would be nice to have the YW get first exposure to him, but I’ll get over it. |
I too was bored in church yesterday. I’m finding much more spiritual stimulus blogging than at church (but I’m in a Spanish/English branch in poor Far Rockaway). |
My vote’s for Claudio R. M. Costa. |
I think I share your hope, anngb. I want to hear about grace’s central role in the atonement and our spiritual lives. I like Robert Millet and Stephen Robinson’s view of grace saving us “after all we can do”, meaning aside from our meager works, not that we must do ALL that is possible. I suspect many LDS believe Christ won’t forgive unless they’ve already worked to become perfect. I like to think that with Christ, everyone has a good chance, including me. I want the gospel to be good news, not programs and rules. I like Pres. Monson’s hopeful, Christian tone. His stories don’t usually draw my interest, though. I’ve read some humanizing anecdotes about him that I want to read as a bit biased. He might lead us for a long time and I want the Church to continue a course of openness and hopeful Christ-centered-ness. |
I don’t have any predictions, but I do hope that no one that will be speaking in this conference read Jane Clayson’s book before writing their talk (that was my theory about Sis. Beck last conference). I like a good stirring of the hornet’s nest just as much as the next guy (unless DKL or Dan the Democrat is the next guy- they are impressive), but I’d like it to be on a different topic this time around. |
Dan E., You can breathe a sigh of relief. I’m certain God has not called me to be an Apostle or General Authority, nor will He anytime soon (though of course, saying so curses me to be called sometime soon, doesn’t it?) |
In response to comment #1, I just want to say that the problem should be fixed now. For my services, Annegb owes me a sacrificial animal. Perhaps a goat. |
Kikuchi or Costa – about time we broke the white barrier in the 12. Whatever the outcome it will be another good conference. |
Having lived through several “changings of the guard,” I can predict what will take place in next weekend’s general conference. It will, of course, be a “solemn assembly,” wherein Monson will be formally sustained as president of the LDS church. In every case where I’ve seen a new LDS president sustained, the talks have been overwhelmingly dominated by (a) testimony that the new president is the prophet chosen by deity at this time, and (b) admonitions that members of the LDS church must follow the prophet. I would be very surprised if this formula doesn’t repeat next weekend. |
I’ll take Costa or Walter Gonzalez. I will oppose the calling of Jensen because I’d like to see him stay as Church Historian. |
Justin, Would it be possible to have a member of the twelve who is also Church Historian? I don’t know…it could be good…what does everyone think? |
Amen…it is a good thing you weren’t in church yesterday Anne, because…well the first talk was boring. I had to leave on the second one because of little one… I wish that we would speak more on Christ and sharing our testimony of him with others. My friend told me once that she was getting frustrated with her kids in sacrament and told them to write down how many times the speaker said Jesus Christ. Through the whole meeting it was twice, only because of the ending…”I say these things in the Name of Jesus Christ…” How sad is that. IT was the Stake President too.. |
I think it would be awesome to have Elder Jensen serve as a member of the twelve as well as church Historian. It is interesting that Richard Turley was recently called as an assistant Church Historian after several years without one. Also Elder Jensen has been assigned some fairly high profile tasks in the last month or so, I’m refering to his speech to Utah legislators regarding immigration and the recent meeting with descendants of the MMM victims. |
I think I owe you at least an elephant, Dan. I just came back from reading on a link that has disappeared from this site. I’ll have to go see if it went into moderation. Christopher Bigelow had several personal meetings with President Monson and reports that he’s colder, perhaps even a little touchy in business situations. I suppose he’s like the rest of us, inconsistent at times. I remember people worrying about President Benson and he did a wonderful job as prophet with nary a mention of Communism. |
I think it will be Bruce Hafen as next apostle. |
RLDDS, I’m with you. I would LOVE to see Elder Jensen serve as an Apostle. Thankfully, I am not the one who makes the call and I will sustain whoever the Lord calls. But, I can <strike)secretly openly hope that he is called, right? :-) |
I have been wrong 100% of the time I’ve predicted who’d be the next apostle. OF COURSE I want Elder Jensen, but I don’t want to jinx it by predicting. I will say that I have accurately predicted who the next president of the Church will be (after a Prophet’s death) 100% of the time. What I would love–YES! Color! I’d love to see a stake president from Guatemala I know become a member of the Seventy. I’d love to see Tony Parker, African American SP in Atlanta, or Ron McClain, former Black Panther and now a Temple sealer in Oakland, be in the Seventy. It won’t be Darius–not just because he has cancer, but because his wife is a Baptist. I have often told him he should be grateful for that. He is able to speak a bit more freely without the weight of such a huge calling. I wonder if a Black man who has a white wife would be called. I know many such men who’d be wonderful. Is there still a bias against interracial marriage in the upper chambers of leadership? I wonder… |
My vote would be for Eric B Shumway. When he was President of BYU-Hawaii, he made enormous strides towards an international and diverse school and the promotion of peace amongst the nations of the world. His efforts and experience with many peoples and cultures of the world would serve the Church well. |
If there is a pattern in the calls extended by the Lord over the last 30 years, the next apostle will be a current or former president of an LDS institution of higher learning. |
Margaret – I vote for you to decide :) Hopefully, we will have someone who breaks the mold from the traditional white business man from the West… Of course, I will sustain whoever it is and I am sure they would be great, but I can still wish for someone to break the mold… |
I’d love Jensen because he seems to have a slightly liberal streak, and I’d love anyone that either isn’t a native English speaker or isn’t white just to better represent the make-up of the church membership. What do I expect? An old white guy from California, Utah, Idaho or Arizona. |
When I was on my mission in Korea, Elder Kikuchi came and spoke to us. One of the stories he told was when he first met the missionaries. It was a cold, rainy day. In his accent, he described it as a “Damm cold day [he didn't add the "p" to the end of the word "damp"].” When we all laughed, he said “No kidding, elders. It was COLD.” There have been times when I wondered if he wasn’t trying to say “damp” after all. |
I second Devyn! |
I think I would prefer a handicapped, blind, transgendered individual as long as he had at least one ancestral line thru BY or JS and married somebody from his mission in Latin America. I am just kidding of course. I find it hilarious that for the 5 years I have been blogging everytime there is an opening in the Q12 that certain bloggers wish for a non white guy in the Q12. I think I will simply accept whom the Lord calls and not get wrapped up in PC concerns. Whether is Kikuchi, or Costa, or any run of the mill white guy with a “ethnic Mormon surname” like Jensen or Cook or Merrill. |
If only we could all be more like you, bbell. Do you need a hand to help you off your rameumptum? |
bbell – I’m one of those that hope for a little more ‘color’ in the 12 even though I am one of the least PC people you could meet, have one of those ‘ethic Mormon surnames,’ am a rich (relatively) white (not so relative) lawyer and hail from the West (though, fortunately, not Utah). I know HF will call the person who should be called. I just happen to hope that it’s someone from an area of the world so that he can be an example that this isn’t just an Norte Americano church (I know, Uchdorf, but to most people south of the equator, it’s the same). Of course I will be happy about, support, love, pray for, and sustain whomever is called. I’d just like it if the Lord’s strategy for the building of the Kingdom aligned with my own… |
To PaulW (#12) asking if an Apostle can be Church Historian: 10 out of the 20 Church Historians have been Apostles (counting Oliver Cowdery who just wasn’t a member of the quorum), with the last being Howard W. Hunter. For 130 years (1842-1872), Church Historians were only Apostles. So Apostle-Historians are more a rule than exception. Historians in the Seventy are a more recent development, the first being in 1982 (G. Homer Durham) and continuing to the present. |
To PaulW (#12) asking if an Apostle can be Church Historian: 10 out of the 20 Church Historians have been Apostles (counting Oliver Cowdery who just wasn’t a member of the quorum), with the last being Howard W. Hunter. For 130 years (1842-1972), Church Historians were only Apostles. So Apostle-Historians are more a rule than exception. Historians in the Seventy are a more recent development, the first being in 1982 (G. Homer Durham) and continuing to the present. |
Sorry about the dupe; I was trying to fix the date from 1872 to 1972. |
bbell: While I do think the Lord is the ultimate source for the calling, I don’t believe he is the only source. I think it is more than reasonable to have an opinion on who we would like to be called. |
bbell, I just think it’s a shame the Lord can’t find anyone qualified that represents the actual church membership. I’m guessing it’s because people of color and non-English speakers aren’t as righteous as us white Westerners. |
Jota G, I strongly suspect that there are members of the Twelve who share your desire to have other ethnicities than the distinctive Utahn, Idahoan, and Arizonian (yes I did mean ethnicities) represented. I would guess that, since these matters are first DISCUSSED and then prayed over, the issue of ethnicity has been quietly raised. A mi me gustaria en una manera que casi no puedo expresar ver a un hombre de color–si sea de Africa or de Mexico–sentarse en las sillas rojas. Eric (Rick) Shumway wouldn’t be a bad choice. He is a former president of a Church university (BYU-H), and he does have a strong bond with Polynesia, Tonga in particular. But BBell’s idea of having a blind transvestite (probably not transgender; there are problems with that in the handbook) is compelling. |
Call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure that the Lord will be the last word on this one. I’ve noticed that sometimes people grab our attention (and higher ups) with their brilliance and then they turn out to suck when they’re called. I’m still reading Eliason’s book on J. Golden Kimball (in church during the boring parts) and I think I vote for Elder Kikuchi now. |
I’m looking forward to hearing from President Monson. My basic question is whether he will simply encourage us to continue in the path laid previously by President Hinckley and other prophets previous or if he will offer/suggest a new emphasis on something that we haven’t heard or seen in the same way previously. I’m also curious to see the degree to which his speaking style continues to be the same or whether it changes in some way. I could not really speculate on who might be called to the Quorum of the Twelve. I don’t think I saw the names Bednar or Uchtdorf in the last set of predictions/guesses that took place in the ‘Nacle – so I simply wonder if the next person will be someone we’re familiar with or if it will be someone who was less in the spotlight previously. Either way it will be interesting. Also, I’m looking forward to hearing Elder Bednar speak again. I’m wondering if we’ll get another unusual allegory/parable from his personal life or how he’ll approach giving a talk this next time around. He seems to have a unique/original approach to his talks. He does not seem to have a specific personal pattern or even a traditional approach. |
I think President Monson’s demeanor and facial characteristics have changed since he has become Prophet, as if he’s showing the weight of the calling. I hope we all pray for him, as we’ve always been encouraged to pray for church leaders. As each previous president has emphasized certain themes, I would expect him to do so too. We already know the themes of most of his conference talks: following the Spirit, and serving the less fortunate, especially widows, orphans, and the sick and afflicted. |
Did anyone else catch the announcement in church Sunday that basically said quit writing to the church office building with problems and just go to your local leaders? I imagine there will be a talk expounding on this concept of supporting your local leaders. Given some of the stories I’ve read in the b’nacle, the announcement made me a tad nervous. While I’ve found church leaders to be 99% terrific, there are always a few that might need to be kept in check on whatever their achilles’ heel is through a healthy escalation process. There was no mention of any escalation process in the announcement, though. |
my vote is richard hinckley–although for a radical change, virginia pearce would be amazing :-) |
Anita, I haven’t read or heard anything from Richard Hinckley. What’s he like? I would like to see a Latino in the Q12, and one who is living in the U.S. illegally. |
I do look forward to hearing what President Monson has to say. I do think that all of the Prophets have shared powerful testimonies of Christ ministry and Divine role. There are times when we do get off track in talks as we speak more of programs. Programs are important as when they are done correctly they can help bring people to Christ. |
I would like to see a Latino in the Q12, and one who is living in the U.S. illegally. Oh, now that could be fun: at the end of every Q12 meeting, someone from the INS picks him up and drops him back off in Mexico, and prior to the next meeting, the remaining eleven all draw straws to see who gets to drive back down to the border and clandestinely pick him up and drive him back in time for the next meeting. |
I’m hoping for the expansions to “The Quorum of the Twenty Apostles”, with nine new Apostles called, thus satisfying everyone’s multicultural needs. I mean, if we can have eight (8) Quorums of the Seventy, why can’t we have 20 Apostles? By the way, “The Quorum of the Twenty” isn’t original with me. It comes from a wonderful LDS science fiction short story, “Entry” by Stephen Scott, published in LDSF: Science Fiction by and for Mormons (Scott and Vickie Smith, eds. , Millennial Productions, 1982). It traces the Church President making a journal entry at some future date and just casually drops in a series of interesting comments, e.g.:
Heh. I go back every few years and re-read the story to see how much more of Scott’s future (which was clearly written no later than 1982, or over 25 years ago) has come to pass. And I notice that no one is talking about “Apostle Hussein” in the comment. :-) ..bruce.. |
Call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure that the Lord will be the last word on this one. Call me crazy, but unless the Lord himself is going to appear to the FP and 12 and announce the new call, I’m fairly sure that President Monson will have the last (audible) word on it. Or else, whoever is conducting the session of conference where they make the announcement. |
I predicted Claudio Costa last time, but I’d gladly have Jensen if that were an option. |
Since I’m ALWAYS wrong, you can be certain that my predicted hopes will all be wrong. New Apostle in order of (my personal) preference. Elder JAY Jensen… since he took over as Editor of the Ensign it has been wonderful. and…(Marlin is just too liberal for me, but a great man) Elder Claudio Costa (If Jim Faust gets a vote from the other side) Elder Neal Anderson Elder Walter Gonzales… he was present for a Temple dedication with Pres. Hinckley, Pres. Faust and Elder Nelson that I also got to attend in South America, and he was wonderful. Of course, it will be whomever the Lord choses, but since I named the above, you can be certain that it won’t be any of them. |