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1. We’re allowed to be multi-faceted. And “when in Rome…” 2. Silence is not to be taken as agreement. 3. Not all opinions need to be expressed at all times and places. Prov 17:28 |
I wonder why she bothered to change her hair (or even her outfit) if the bui bui covers everything “from head to toe.” |
Interesting – not unlike many people I know at Church who stay silent when they do not agree, as opposed to the vocal minority that presses their views on others. I like Bookslinger’s three answers. |
I “fake it” in Relief Society on a regular basis. I often feel the teacher wants to maintain a certain mood and spirit, and frequently my comment would greatly detract from said mood. My impression is Elder’s Quorum is a bit more lively and more open to debates/discussions. |
I always fake it in a new ward, but that’s usually because most people really don’t care what my (or anyone else’s) opinions are. And because Bookslinger’s right. Danithew, I can’t imagine she keeps it on all the time, especially if she’s visiting her family. But it is interesting to compare changing the clothing and hair underneath in this situation with Muslim women who wear much-less-than-conservative hairstyles or clothing under their abayas/burqas/whatever. |
danithew and Amira–my impression of this particular girl was that she dressed in such a way (including the extensions) that her family would find unacceptable, even if covered (and I assume once she gets home, she is no longer covered). Frankly, this country is very conservative and her original attire would have been appropriate for a prostitute–I can see why her parents might have been concerned. Even braids/extensions are debateable. You guys don’t think faking it can be dishonest? |
My understanding is that in some Muslim communities, the use of extensions is forbidden. I managed to find one website that elaborates this: http://muttaqun.com/hair.html . I don’t have any idea how widespread this teaching is, but I know devout Muslim women who do braid their hair with extensions. I guess what it comes down to is how conservative the family is and which scholars’ teachings they follow. My cynicism leads me to believe that in 10 or so years, when the same young woman is married (if she does marry), she will have reverted to the conservative mode of dressing etc. Life often has a way of convincing us that “the old ways are best”. The biggest irony is that, in some places, prostitutes have started to dress in buibui to look respectable and avoid getting arrested. I am certainly guilty of “faking it”. That’s why I still have a job, and a huge chunk of my friends… |
atieno–thanks for the link. I wasn’t thinking of a specific religious ban on extenions–maybe just the idea of extensions being a sign of vanity or too much of an investment in time and money for a more religious person. Maybe, though, there are more formal ideas about extensions. Married (conservative) Jewish women specifically choose to wear wigs for piety–so they don’t reveal their glory–their real hair–to anyone but family. Anyway–funny about how you wear your hair having so many ramifications. |
This question was one of the very interesting aspects of the movie New York Doll. Arthur Kane’s rock musician friends and the family history library workers each had a partial view of Kane, and it created a bit of a confusion: Who was he really? A rock musician, or a boring Mormon? The answer seemed to be that he really was both, but most who knew him only knew part of him. |
ESO, it sounds to me like you’re the one who is exploring ideas and options of how to conform versus remain true to one’s inner self. Have you “found yourself” yet? Are you comfortable with the various costumes, hats, or masks you wear or are expected to wear at various times and places in your life? Who and what is the “real” ESO ? That might be a better question. |
Do I dare comment on who the REAL Barack Obama is? Or the REAL Hillary Clinton? Or John McCain? We live in a world where prominent people are at risk of being defined by the media, and often have to take steps to re-introduce themselves, or sometimes to do a little spin. I often keep quiet in my ward if I feel that contention will result from my comment. But there are some issues I will never keep to myself. I will not always answer instantly, but I will answer, often by taking my concerns to the bishop. |
As children, both my wife and I were transient, after moving on from our respective families we were both transient, since we have been married we have remained transient and will probably continue. We have lived all over, both in and out of the US. At some point, not really planning it, we started purchasing clothes that were the least regional/class/nationally identifiable, or clothes that we intend to wear in a specific region but not others. We actively try to blend, our accents and colloquialisms are pretty fluid too. That said, since we are a racially blended family, unless someone is wearing their ethnic jewelry and there is someone there who knows what it is, we probably just confuse people. People frequently say “we know you are not from HERE, but where ARE you from?” Are we “faking it?” I don’t think so. Are we suffering from an identity crisis for not having chosen a particular location or style to associate with? If anything I would say the opposite, that we feel free to be who we are without the constraints of geographic origin, to some degree anyway. We haven’t had too many problems biting our tongues in Church. I can only think of one instance where we left a Church meeting. We attended a ward in the UK for several months and would have felt ungracious to have started a big to-do. So we just left that Sunday and went back the next with the intention of eventually addressing it a way that would help not hinder. The opportunity hasn’t arisen yet, but we still visit occasionally, it might still. If you really need to sound off, the Bloggernacle is a good place right? |
MAC, The bloggernacle is a good place to sound off until your ward members discover it and figure out who you are… Then it is a really bad place. Just last week a member of my ward left a comment on a blog (not a bloggernacle blog, but another ward member’s blog) that would be very hurtful to many members of our ward if they happened to read it. I’m guessing she thinks she left it somewhat privately/anonymously but I have little doubt that a good portion of the ward has read it. |
a random john, I agree completely and try to omit any identifying details. I may have slipped up, but I try. Cowardly hiding behind a anonymous pseudonym helps too. There are only two people who know who I am. One probably doesn’t think that highly enough of my opinions to begin with and the other is my wife, who doesn’t think very highly of spending time on the Bloggernacle. |
hee hee to that last line MAC. Actually I am relatively forward with my blog because I had some “person” do some research on my family while I was writing a blog for the Political party caucus I was working for (in Canada). Within short order he had found my wife under a pseudonym publishing in a British large families forum saying something about our personal life. After that I just cannot be that concerned. I just am a bit more considerate of what I say and I avoid of saying anything particular about any ONE person or ward. |
anything you say is public no matter where you think you are publishing it. |
I fake it every week that I skip Gospel Doctrine to attend to other important ward matters for which I’m responsible. I give my wife the sad “go ahead without me; I’ve got to take care of some things”. (Not every week, but enough that she notices. The Bloggernacle is my GD some weeks.) |
How sad that LDS can’t speak their minds… |
Guy Noir, that is a terribly reductive comment. I suspect you are the one and only person in this conversation who has that kind of suspicion. There are better blogs for you. Please find them. |
No problem ESO. It’s just by chance that I know about the ban. Heard a friend mention it once when she was explaining why she didn’t braid her hair, and then she proceeded to braid her hair shortly afterwards. The kind of thing that sticks in your mind… =) |
#18, Guy Noir: It’s called avoiding unnecessary contention. See my comment #1. |
Those times in my life when I have been the most honest with myself and others (at the same time), when I have been most authentic, are the times I have been the happiest, regardless of whether I was doing what I “wanted” to do. I’m not saying that the city girl or the country girl was more authentic, only she could answer that question. I’m just saying when I allow myself to be who I am, I am at my most powerful. |
I’m just saying when I allow myself to be who I am, I am at my most powerful. To be who you are, or who you should be? |
No. To be who I am. |
It’s a trick to balance who we are, with whom we really *want* to be, with whom we *ought* to be. |
Shakespeare (from Hamlet): To be, or not to be: that is the question: |