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In another time, in another place, a moviemaker would have framed Mormon as a man who, in the end, was a leader of his people and would live or die with them, their sins notwithstanding. He was who he was. I don’t think it has a particular lesson for us as far as military service goes. |
Queuno, I have not served in the military … but I imagine that someone who has made the decision to join the military would find Mormon a more instructive example – perhaps someone to emulate in some way. How his example would be applied is difficult to say – but there’s definitely some kind of lesson about loyalty in here. |
What I noted was the almost absence of God from Mormon’s decision. It’s almost as if God has simply stepped back and told Mormon – “Do as you will. Whether you help them, or sit back and watch – I’ve already made my decision.” |
Seth, that’s an interesting point. What role -did- God play in the decision Mormon made (to opt-in or opt-out)? At one point God forbids Mormon to preach to the Nephites. It’s interesting to see the wording of Mormon’s words on the subject, because he says quite directly that he “did endeavor” to preach to them but was forbidden to do so. I suppose in a similar fashion, as Mormon “endeavored” to fight in behalf of the Nephites or to lead them into battle, he could have been forbidden to do so and he would have obeyed or submitted. Here’s the verses I’m mulling over:
Also of interest is that Mormon seems to have wanted to plead in behalf of the Nephites but did not dare to do so:
So perhaps (as I think Seth R. hints), Mormon was walking a very fine line here in fighting alongside the Nephites or at their lead. He couldn’t recommend the Nephites to God – but he felt he could at least join them (and die with them) in battle. He clearly wasn’t under any illusions as to the ultimate genocidal outcome of war. |
Danithew & Seth, Definitely a good point that God may not have necessarily cared what Mormon did. He left the decision to fight completely up to Mormon’s own decision-making. I think Mormon’s decision to fight came down to his love as mentioned in 3:12:
And although it seems Mormon made this decision on his own, I 100% doubt he refrained from consulting with the Lord. |
Interesting how the reluctant warrior is a trope that appears throughout history and literature, never without some controversy, whether it be Odysseus or Cincinnatus, or in our own history, the prime example of Robert E. Lee, whose loyalties were famously torn. |
Guy Noir comments are not tolerated on my posts. I will simply delete them. I lost patience with him a long time ago. How other Mormon Mentality permabloggers want to deal with Guy Noir (on their own posts) is their own business. |
Bill, I’m glad you mentioned Robert E. Lee (among others) … I was wondering if there was a possible comparison there. I don’t know enough about him at this point. |
Gee danithew, you have editing privileges? I’ve never been given those. Of course, I don’t know what exactly I would DO with editing privileges if I had them… |
Guy, danithew is one of the founders of Mormon Mentality. He’s got as much editorial authority as anyone here, and he has our full confidence. Furthermore, as a matter of policy on this blog, each perma-blogger has the primary editorial purview over the threads resulting from their post. Non-perma-bloggers do not have any editorial privileges; this is the way blogs work. In addition to the fact that the perma-bloggers here represent a broad spectrum of backgrounds and viewpoints (often wildly different), you’ll find varying levels of permissiveness among the perma-bloggers here, and that’s the way that we want it. It’s one thing that we unanimously agree upon. |
DKL has my back … (thanks bud) |
Danithew, the comparison is imperfect, but an here’s an interesting Lee quote that seems pertinent: True patriotism sometimes requires of men to act exactly contrary, at one period, to that which it does at another, and the motive which impels them — the desire to do right — is precisely the same. – Letter to General P. G. T. Beauregard (3 October 1865) |
danithew, I haven’t served in the military either, but I have numerous relatives who are (many of whom are not active in the Church or are not active). My wife’s uncle, a decorated Vietnam vet who spent a lifetime in the service, is a vocal and ardent foe of drafts, and believes that the best military is made of up those who truly want to serve the country in that particular environment, with no hard feelings against those who choose not to serve in the military. He’s not a member, but I don’t believe Mormon’s example would serve for him anything more than “once a soldier, always a soldier”. |
Bill, thanks for sharing that quote. When and if I ever get the time, I’d like to read more about Robert E. Lee. I’m not nostalgic for the Confederacy – but everything I’ve heard or read about Robert E. Lee seems to indicate that he was extraordinary and special. |