Comments on: The Dilemma of an Obama supporter http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:50:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Dan Ellsworth http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-88636 Dan Ellsworth Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:53:55 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-88636 And I agree with you, Lecia, that Phleger's behavior should not influence anyone's vote for Obama. What I don't understand is why people jumped into full apologetic mode over the Wright remarks, but there was no attempt on the left to address the racism inherent in Phleger's preaching: <i>I'm preaching before a black audience, so I need to make my comments and delivery as theatrical as possible in order to reach these people...</i> He may as well have put on blackface. And I agree with you, Lecia, that Phleger’s behavior should not influence anyone’s vote for Obama. What I don’t understand is why people jumped into full apologetic mode over the
Wright remarks, but there was no attempt on the left to address the racism inherent in Phleger’s preaching: I’m preaching before a black audience, so I need to make my comments and delivery as theatrical as possible in order to reach these people… He may as well have put on blackface.

]]> By: Lecia Shorter http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-88634 Lecia Shorter Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:30:41 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-88634 Hi Dan, You can go to www.democrats.org/page/community/post/leciashorter/C5S2 - 33k - to read my article regarding Rev. Michael Phleger. Lecia Hi Dan,

You can go to http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/leciashorter/C5S2 – 33k – to read my article regarding Rev. Michael Phleger.

Lecia

]]> By: John Mansfield http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-86002 John Mansfield Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:14:00 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-86002 There was a period of about six years starting in 1985 that four out seven members of the County Commission in Clark County, Nevada were Mormons. Three of the four Mormons were Democrats. For much more on that, read my old post "Lame Ducks and the Las Vegas Temple." There was a period of about six years starting in 1985 that four out seven members of the County Commission in Clark County, Nevada were Mormons. Three of the four Mormons were Democrats. For much more on that, read my old post “Lame Ducks and the Las Vegas Temple.”

]]> By: Guy Noir, Private Eye http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85992 Guy Noir, Private Eye Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:56:26 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85992 SethR: That brings up the Q: "IF" the church wasn't so sensitive abt tax & other similar issues...What would they suggest to people Today? (can we make a Guess???) SethR: That brings up the Q:

“IF” the church wasn’t so sensitive abt tax & other similar issues…What would they suggest to people Today?

(can we make a Guess???)

]]> By: Seth R. http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85985 Seth R. Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:00:39 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85985 When Utah became a state the leadership "assigned" citizens to be both Republicans and Democrats. If anything, the Mormons back then would have been more hostile to the Republican party, which was the party that had persecuted them over the polygamy issue. History is full of ironies. When Utah became a state the leadership “assigned” citizens to be both Republicans and Democrats.

If anything, the Mormons back then would have been more hostile to the Republican party, which was the party that had persecuted them over the polygamy issue.

History is full of ironies.

]]> By: Guy Noir, Private Eye http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85982 Guy Noir, Private Eye Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:26:18 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85982 I don't know/don't see that it will EVER be fashionable/acceptable in LDS culture to be a Democrat... Didn't one church president 'assign' some ppl to be democrats? That's the way is was told to me by a very TBM Bp from SE Utah... In my humble opinion... this is another indicator that culture has almost overtaken the freedom of choice aspects of separation of church & state (which is Mostly understood in the IMW Mormon corridor understanding by LDS to begin with....) I don’t know/don’t see that it will EVER be fashionable/acceptable in LDS culture to be a Democrat…
Didn’t one church president ‘assign’ some ppl to be democrats? That’s the way is was told to me by a very TBM Bp from SE Utah…
In my humble opinion… this is another indicator that culture has almost overtaken the freedom of choice aspects of separation of church & state (which is Mostly understood in the IMW Mormon corridor understanding by LDS to begin with….)

]]> By: ESO http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85904 ESO Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:50:58 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85904 Stockholm Syndrom=fascinating idea! Our hyper-"patriotism" is certainly very disorienting to international LDS members. Stockholm Syndrom=fascinating idea! Our hyper-”patriotism” is certainly very disorienting to international LDS members.

]]> By: danithew http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85902 danithew Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:36:33 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85902 Or maybe it's just the influence of Article Faith 12: <blockquote>We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.</blockquote> But ARJ, I think that Stockholm Syndrome idea is an interesting one. Or maybe it’s just the influence of Article Faith 12:

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

But ARJ, I think that Stockholm Syndrome idea is an interesting one.

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85901 a random John Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:18:15 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85901 Craig, <i>We LDS have never advocated or espoused the idea that we are owed anything or that whatever injustices we incurred by the so called Utah war would be paid by our loss of affection and defense of the USA or our constitution.</i> You're making an eloquent argument against something I never said. Go back and re-read my original comment. I made no claim that the LDS have claimed that we are owed anything. However, if you think that the LDS have always espoused the sort of rah-rah USA patriotism that you currently find in Utah you're simply ignorant. Personally I think that our ultra-patriotism (if you can call it that when Berkley, CA sends twice as many people per capita into the military as Provo does) is evidence of a sort of Stockholm Syndrome. The price we paid for statehood was so high that we show mindless love and devotion to our tormentor. Craig,

We LDS have never advocated or espoused the idea that we are owed anything or that whatever injustices we incurred by the so called Utah war would be paid by our loss of affection and defense of the USA or our constitution.

You’re making an eloquent argument against something I never said. Go back and re-read my original comment. I made no claim that the LDS have claimed that we are owed anything. However, if you think that the LDS have always espoused the sort of rah-rah USA patriotism that you currently find in Utah you’re simply ignorant.

Personally I think that our ultra-patriotism (if you can call it that when Berkley, CA sends twice as many people per capita into the military as Provo does) is evidence of a sort of Stockholm Syndrome. The price we paid for statehood was so high that we show mindless love and devotion to our tormentor.

]]> By: ESO http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/05/31/the-dilemma-of-an-obama-supporter.htm/comment-page-1#comment-85881 ESO Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:30:05 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=847#comment-85881 Christopher, I am not sure who you think I am offending. I have no doubt that this decision was hard for the Obama family, I just don't think it affects the rest of us. Christopher,

I am not sure who you think I am offending. I have no doubt that this decision was hard for the Obama family, I just don’t think it affects the rest of us.

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