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Damn the Celtics. And the Lakers. Signed, a Lebron fan. |
My sports memories of the 1980s are roughly: The Great White Hope failing in Cleveland (Cory Snyder, BYU grad), The Drive, The Fumble, and the Shot. |
Oh, and “Red Right 88.” Can’t forget that one, at the beginning of the 1980s. *shudder* I’d say I need extensive therapy for all of that, but years later, Jose Mesa would finally drive me into sullen acceptance of my hometown’s eternal fate. |
Its like Showtime all over again. GO LAKERS!! I love that this is the first time since 87 that the celtics have been to the finals. And that in that fateful year they lost to the Lakers. 21 years later, it will still feel just as good beating them. But, I sure wish everyone else would leave the 80s in the 80s. Some 17 year old who worked at the footlocker tried to get me to by some converse that were neon yellow, pink and orange. I told her that it looked like my umbros from the 80s threw up on my shoes. Then I realized she probably wasn’t even alive in the 80s and that her love of all things neon and spandex was like my love of bell bottoms and corduroy when I was in HS. Then I felt old. I wonder if anyone will make anything new anymore? You know movies, clothes etc…its all just recycled. Its every boring. Except for the XFiles movie coming out on July 25. Thats not boring. Thats awesome. |
Ah, if they would only do a really good remake of Robotech… and that Duck Tales theme? Pure heavenly delight. |
I grew up in L.A. watching Lakers/Celtics; only now have I come to realize how all those basketball players were violating the BYU honor code by wearing shorts that were clearly designed to arouse passions in women. As far as Transformers goes, I thought it was fun; it was a fun, dumb, visually-interesting popcorn flick with fighting robots…and boobs. Of course, I was clearly appalled and outraged at the latter aspect of the movie. |
Dear Naomi– You are reliving the 80s as a boy. Sorry, but Dave’s notalgia is not doing the decade girly justice. I am not your best tutor for that, as I lived out of the country for a major part of the 80s, but I could definitely do better than an NBA rivalry! Primer: (Do you have VH1?–it seems that could help) Start there and come and visit for a Socratic seminar on growing up 80s. |
ESO–Sigh. You’re absolutely right. I realized as soon as queno started spouting actual names that even my acquired nostalgia isn’t sufficient. I heard Annie (we had the record :), and I may also have seen the movie. Fame–doesn’t ring any bells. Thriller–again, something that I’ve discovered second-hand as an adult. I knew when I saw that Thriller scene in “Thirteen Going on Thirty” that I was missing something very big that everyone else my age knew about. Fashion Plates–no knowledge. Footloose–is that the one that was filmed in Utah? About the pastor dad who tried to repress his daughter? If so, I think I saw that one. VH1–I take it that’s a movie, not a type of technology, huh? Yes, a visit to your mother’s house would probably rectify this ignorance in short order. Dan–I loved the Duck Tails theme! We actually rented a TV every 4 years to watch the Olympics (remember when they were every 4 years?), and I caught a few pilfered episodes then. Were the ’80s a high point for cartoons? Or would that just because we were kids then? Everyone else–I’d welcome any more contributions to the Re-education of Naomi Sloan. |
I’m going to host a Transformers party at the house, so we can all watch the DVD for a bunch of guys who all missed the movie. |
VH1 is a cable station (I don’t currently have cable, but when I did, they did a lot of Best of the 80s shows). My sister was just lamenting the fact that we grew up with the boys who never got over Star Wars. I am not sure I would prefer a generation who never got over GI Joe, but I guess we all have a cross to bear. |
Naomi, I believe that the quality of the cartoons were unsurpassed in the mid to late 80s. But I am biased, and I do think it is impossible to compare the various generational cartoons as they leave an indelible mark at a particular time in one’s life which cannot be repeated later on. I would not enjoy Robotech as much today as I did when I was younger. I enjoy it today more for the sentimental reminiscing value. I would be bored with Duck Tales (except for the wonderful theme) today, just like I am bored with most of today’s cartoons. |
Back in the early 80s, you could still smoke in most places. Teenage smoking was never a big deal — my high school had a smoking court where students could smoke. The teachers lounge was a smoke filled room. Movie theaters had little pullout ash trays in the seat in front of you, like the ones in the back seat of a car. McDonalds had little gold foil ash trays in the smoking section, and parents never thought twice about sitting there with children. Members of Congress had crystal ashtrays with the congressional seal etched into the bottom (I still have one packed away somewhere). Though I never smoked until my 20s, which was in the 90s, after Ronald Reagan, smoking is what I remember best about the 80s. That, plus the fact that bottles of Stoli vodka said, “Made in the USSR.” In sports, I watched football. The Washington Bullets (now the Wizards — ugh) had peeked in the late 70s and seldom broke 500. The Redskins were great, and I hated the 49ers. I remember Mondale always had a sunken look, as if someone had just beaten the crap out of him. And he ran on a platform that promised to raise taxes. And Dukakis and Willy Horton. All the chicks digged Don Johnson from Miami Vice (also recently made into a movie) — quite possibly the dumbest cop show ever. Van Halen still made great music with David Lee Roth, but all good heavy metal music ended once Quiet Riot had a hit song. And Modonna started churning out hits, so that even pop music really started to suck. Real rock music lovers turned to U2, which was a good band in the 80s before they turned gay in the 90s. The Who still made some good tunes early in the decade, which made them the last of the really great rock bands to make any decent original music. One could argue that after Elvis died, it was only a matter of time… The two best movies of the 80s were “Henry V” and “Crimes and Misdemeanors,” both competing for the best picture Oscar in 1989 and losing to a far worse movie “Driving Miss Daisy.” The 80s saw the worst movie to ever win best picture: “Out of Africa.” In the 80s, a guy could still perform major repairs on his car with tool purchased at Sears. And the CD brought a rush of new classical music recordings, as conductors and orchestras raced to make all-digital versions. Listening to the CDs I bought from back then, I’m appalled. They sound terrible, especially the DG recordings — glassy strings with harsh or empty sounding orchestras. Engineers seem to have gotten a better grasp on the subtleties of digital acoustics since then. Now I carry a 2 oz iPod that holds 100s of pounds worth of CDs and makes them available at the touch of a button. |
G.I. Joe was lame. I even recognized that when I was a kid. Everytime (for both good guys and bad guys) that a plane or a military truck, was hit, the pilot and anyone on board would magically get out alive. No one died on that show. It followed in the footsteps of Looney Tunes I guess (where characters shoot each other, impale each other, throw each other over cliffs, etc., yet somehow never die). This was one of the reasons I loved Robotech. Characters died. Even main ones. You had characters go on suicide missions. You had total destruction of the entire planet. All sorts of great stuff. :) |
I remember being really into the Boston Celtics. Larry Bird, Danny Ainge, etc. They were a great team. Then Bird’s back gave him problems and things seemed to dwindle a bit. Everything I was interested in about the Celtics pretty much went down the tubes when Len Bias died of a drug overdose. I’m actually kind of excited about this upcoming finals between the Lakers and the Celtics. It has the potential to be a really great series. I might even root for the Celtics. |
Part of the problem is I can’t decide if I want Phil Jackson to get his ten championships or not. |
Boston is doing very well these days. It certainly isn’t a repeat of the 80s for the town (*cough*Buckner*cough*) Patriots – nearly won the Super Bowl |
Dan, I just want to say out loud that the Giants won the SuperBowl. I just read an article yesterday that described the design of their championship rings. Very gaudy. Lots of diamonds. |
danithew, It’s a good thing I’m not a Patriots fan. :P I grew up in the Bay Area. 49ers are still my hometown team. And they sucketh right now. Go Redsox! And Go Giants! …er…San Francisco Giants. :) |
Y’all are making me feel old. When I think Lakers-Celtics, I think of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell. The Magic-Bird rivalry was just a revival of the original. Wilt and Russell were the real deal. One hundred points in a single game? Averaging over fifty points for an entire season? Wilt the Stilt, baby. Not Jordan, not Kobe, not LeBron. Eleven NBA championships in thirteen years? Russell, and nobody else even comes close. |
CS Eric (#19), not to diminish Wilt and Russell, but it is difficult to compare eras. In other words, transplant Wilt and Russell from the 60s to the 00s, and they’d likely be no more dominating than Dwight Howard or Shaq. All-Stars and Hall-of-Famers yes, but 100 point games, fifty point seasons, and eleven NBA championships, no. You can say the same about Oscar Robertson, and his averaging a triple-double for an entire season. |
I grew up in the 80s (graduated H.S. in ’87) and was/(am still) a huge Laker fan. Among the many basketball camps I attended during those years were Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s and Michael Cooper’s basketball camps. The Lakers-Celtics rivalry was indeed very special and hasn’t been topped — not even close — since. But the Lakers really owned the 80s, appearing in 8 of the decades 10 championship series (missing only in ’81 and ’86; both years Houston represented), not the Celtics. The Celtics, on the other hand, shared the decade with the Sixers (early 80s) and Pistons (late 80s). But I’m glad to see the Celtics are back. It’s just not as much fun beating the Nets or Pacers in the finals as it is the Celtics. |
Fashion plates! I totally forgot about those I sooo had some. Loved them. Also, Rainbow Brite. As for cartoons, Duck tales and GI Joe and Robotech PALE in comparison to Thundercats (greatest cartoon EVER) and He-Man. You can watch Thundercats now and still be just as entertained. Great show. And that being said, I have to say, AS A GIRL, nothing says 80′s better than Lakers/Celtics. Magic Johnson and Larry Bird pretty much define the decade to me. |
Celtics in 6. Also, why soooo much time off before the series starts? |
I was never much of a Lakers fan but I remember reading Kareem Abdul Jabbar’s book “Giant Steps” and thinking it was really well-written and interesting. |
Matt (#20), Part of the reason you can’t compare eras is that the league has changed the rules over the years to compensate for some of the great players. For example, because of Russell’s dominance on defense, they widened the lane, forcing defenders to go farther out. For Wilt and Russell, offensive and defensive goaltending were incorporated. I remember watching one of those tape-delay games where Jerry West tied it with a three-quarter-court shot as time expires. Under the current rules, that would have won the game as a three-pointer. Wilt’s 100-point game would still have been at least in the 60′s–nearly half his points came from free throws. Of course, the league as of now has implemented rule changes to help the players–you never see palming the ball called any more, and the stars (starting with Jordan) never get called for travelling any more. The shame of it is, the really good players like Jordan or Kobe or LeBron could easily modify their game to fit with real enforcement of the rules. Each of them would still be dominant if travellling or palming was called. An attempt to make it easier to showcase the skills of the superstars really has diluted the game. |
Kobe Bryant scored 81 points against the Raptors in that one game. I don’t know if that means 100 points will ever be in reach … but maybe for the right player in the right game it could become possible. |
DKL (12): Great recap. You are truly a man of the 80s. Anyone who thinks Doc Rivers can beat Phil Jackson in a seven-game series is crazy. And then there’s Kobe. Dude is just too good. And I hate the Lakers. |
Tagore, you could very well be right – but I think this looks like a good matchup. If either team finds this series to be a walk in the park, I’ll be surprised. I’m hoping it will go at least 6 games. |
DKL, I have to say “Shakespeare in Love” winning best picture has to be the low point of the academy awards. Naomi, Harrison Ford is definitely worth every penny. I can’t hide my man-crush. Is everything destined to disappoint as we grow older? |
OK Dan… You do have some taste! |
To further fill out the 80′s experience for girls: My Little Pony (You did have “Cabbage Patch Kids,” didn’t you? They weren’t really a TV phenomenon as I remember.) And more in general: |
I was born in 1970 and was a teen in the 80s. I know nothing about the Lakers or any of those people you mention. Great movies of the 80s, besides the John Hughes teen movies, which I assume you’ve seen by now: War Games |
It’s not the same as the ’80s. If you were a Laker fan in the ’80s, you didn’t just want to beat the Celtics, you hated them. You hated Bird for being so good, and you hated McHale for being such a jerk and Ainge for being such a dirty player and Parish for being so stuck-up and DJ just for being a Celtic and their bench for being a bunch of dorky white guys who shouldn’t have been able to play as well as they did and you especially hated Auerbach and his foul stinking cigars. But these Celtics are just too cool. Who can hate Garnett, Allen, and Pierce? They’re the kind of guys you’d root for if your own team were out of the playoffs. It’s just not the same. |
Gar, Ninja Warrior is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. Susan M, I had a bad experience with Raising Arizona the first time I saw it. I admit I was sleepy during the movie, so I ended up giving up and turning it off. I found it on TV about 2 months ago and laughed till I cried. Nicholas Cage’s finest moment of acting. At 6 years old, the 1987 Lakers were my 1st great experience with sports. I coveted a pair of shorts like theirs and a pair of socks like Michael Cooper’s. I remember thinking how wrong it seemed that Kurt Rambis was playing basketball, being white. However, the love of the Lakers very quickly made way for the love of Kirk Gibson… |
The 80′s was MY decade. Big messy hair. Best moment was Band Aid with “Do They know it’s Christmas?” I actually loved that whole MTV thing. I loved “Raising Arizona” too. |
MTV Rocked in the 80s. It was all about the music back then, go figure! |
Raising Arizona is a great movie through and through and I also liked the end line “maybe it was Utah.” After reading through DKL’s comment #12, I wish it had been a post. If he has it in him, he should write a post about the 80s. But maybe he already put down his best/favorite material on the subject. |
Thanks Naomi for digging up some good memories. DKL – I love Henry V – that is one of my favorite movies of all time. I must disagree with you on the rock music piece – I loved Van Halen – saw them in concert in the old Salt Palace, but there were some other great 80s rock bands – Def Leppard, Scorpions, Motley Crue are a couple of my favorites. I loved sitting in my old beat up pickup cranking my cassettes of those groups – oh the good old days. There is a station in Boston that does “back to the 80s Friday night” where they play all 80s music – I love it! |
Nasamomdele, I’ll admit that “Shakespeare in Love” was pretty awful, but “Out of Africa” really scraped the bottom of the barrel, and it took itself so seriously. It wasn’t just bad, it was grotesque. Devyn, I don’t share your taste for 80s music. Van Halen was the last rock band to have an original sound. Once you get past Pyromania, even Def Leppard started to sound like everyone else. I never liked The Scorpians because the sang with a palpable german accent — like Mein Kampf set to music. Too bad Van Halen squandered their sound on Sammy Hagar. I saw Van Halen at the old Capital Center for their Diver Down tour, one of my first concerts. I just saw them again last week at the Providence Civic Center (with David Lee Roth back in the band). They still rock. On the ride home, I could barely see the road from the heat coming off of it. |
This is some of the stuff I was listening to/watching in the 80s. Great decade. :) |
Proud Daughter of Eve, I just lost all respect for you when I clicked on the link to the Thundercats Movie Trailer….. THAT WAS SOOOOO WRONG!!!! |
DKL – I always loved the Scorpions accent, I thought it was cool. As for Van Halen – you just saw them in concert? You are my hero of the day… I would agree on Def Leppard that after the Pyromania and Hysteria albums, they pretty much sucked. But those two albums were amazing. |
“It’s not the same as the ’80s. If you were a Laker fan in the ’80s, you didn’t just want to beat the Celtics, you hated them….But these Celtics are just too cool. Who can hate Garnett, Allen, and Pierce? They’re the kind of guys you’d root for if your own team were out of the playoffs. It’s just not the same.” You’ll be happy to know that as a life-long Celtics fan, I hate the Lakers as much as I ever did, largely for the reasons you hated the Celtics in the ’70s and ’80s. Jackson is walking conceit. Kobe is everything that’s wrong with free agency basketball–talent without loyalty or even discretion. Dr. Buss has brokered this playoff run by making an Auerbach-like move in acquiring Gasol from Memphis under suspect circumstances. In sum, it wouldn’t matter who the Lakers were playing this year, I would root against them. Perhaps the only team I hate more is the Yankees. |
JimBob, merely out of respect for your free agency I won’t edit or delete your Yankee-hating comment. But shame on you! :) (jus’ kidding about the edit/delete thing) I don’t know why … for a time I loved to hate Kobe … but I don’t anymore. He’s a brilliant basketball player and despite all the drama that has been in his life (much of it self-inflicted), he continues to be a brilliant basketball player. He seems to be turning into a leader for his team – and I like that. At the same time, I’d like to see Kevin Garnett & Co. get their rings. It’s going to be an interesting series. I’m excited about it. |
I’ve noticed since “Happy Days” was a big hit in the 70s (decade, not quorum) that nostalgia seems to come upon us 20-25 years after the fact. 50s-themed “Happy Days” and “Grease” broke in the 70s. “That 70s Show” came around with about the same lag. Now the 80s’s nose enters our tent. |
#45 Manaen I hope/think that you are right. I think that I am a rare individual who liked the clothes of the 80′s. |
Patriots – nearly won the Super Bowl Dan, it’s amazing how you maintain such a positive outlook. I think that in this case, the Belicheats rather have not made the Super Bowl than to have lost. 18-1 has a marvelous sound. |
Dan I just heard that Robotech the movie coming but I don’t know just what to think of it yet… |
Celtics in 6 Ooops. I might have been off by one there… |
Anyone who thinks Doc Rivers can beat Phil Jackson in a seven-game series is crazy. I meant literally, of course. Phil and Doc out on the court playing one-on-one. |
Tagore, Have you ever been up close and personal with Phil? That poor guy can hardly walk from the bench to the locker room. Doc would eat him alive. |