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My view is that the curse of sorrow in childbirth has been lifted with the invention and wide-spread use of the epidural. I’m not certain, but I believe that the inventor of this anesthetic technology was a descendant of Abraham, and thus through Abraham’s seed has the entire world been blessed. |
…and Adam’s curse about labor by “the sweat of his brow” has been lifted by air conditioning. The guy who invented that was surely also one whom I will rise up and call blessed. Have either of these inventors’ temple work been done? |
Wow, I never thought about that on such an interesting level! Thanks Jeff. |
Interesting idea. FWIW hypnobirthers believe that the great pain and discomfort described by western women during child-birth is brought on by fear and that women who can control that fear experience a much less traumatic birth, one more like other mammals. It seems fear could easily be considered a result of the fall. |
Well, I think natural selection has an important bearing (er, no pun intended) in this case. Think about it, if child bearing was not painful for human beings, just how much child bearing would there be in the world? It is one of the things that limits the amount of reproduction that humans will do. God created the processes of this world, including how natural selection works, and for humans, that means that child bearing must be painful or we would bring about too many children into this world too quickly and not be able to manage the feeding and cultivating of them. Granted, this is a very general and broad statement (but so is the allegory of the olive tree in Jacob chapter 5) about the overall world, and there are exceptions and breaks to this rule. For instance, the pains of child bearing do not stop those in India, Bangladesh, or other quite heavily populated areas from adding to their population while not being able to constantly put enough food on their tables to have them grow into healthy adults. |
Interesting post. What about elephant brains? They aren’t necessarily more intelligent, though they have more community skills. Air conditioning, ha ha. I wish they believed in it in Germany. But it doesn’t help kids anyway whose mothers tell them to go out and weed the garden for an hour. I remember being mad at Adam while I slaved away. |
“By the sweat of your brow” is clearly the first of many scriptural references to New York’s summer humidity. |
Ironically, with modern medicine and birth control the easier the birthing experience is, the less times you will give birth. As for me and my house, number four will be here Wednesday via c-section. The following week, I’ll return to my air conditioned office, sit down sweat away at the keyboard while drinking a free Coke. |
Nice post – seems like babies are in the water. My PhD was in embryology and I like what your thoughts are. It seems that the large brain has some drawbacks (as you mentioned). The key question, which I don’t know the answer to is whether the mortality/complication rates of mothers/infants in humans is really that different from other mammals. I am not sure if that is the case. I know that on our farm growing up, we often had to intervene in animal births or the mother or baby would have died. So I just don’t have any data, but, I like the hypothesis. |
It’s interesting because I just read “Letter to a Christian Nation” by Harris, (a book swollen with bad assumptions, but one of his point s for being atheist was that an all knowing Creator would have known that the brain was too big and would have designed it better. for whatever species. . Now I have my own answer to that, but its a little off topic. However your thoughts are interesting. It would be interesting to compare some of the brains from earlier homonids. I don’t know enough at this point. It would also be interesting to question: could this statement “thy sorrow” be intended to comfort instead of a cursing? If God knew that it was going to be difficult in the natural world, perhaps He was just instructing Adam and Eve about the difficulties that lay ahead? Maybe He planned it like that on purpose? Maybe it was naturally occurring? I don’t know. Things like this make me say, that I’ll just deal with the situation at hand and hope that I’ll get some answers along the way. |
Jeff, |
I also remember reading that part of the pain and difficulty of human childbirth is due to humans walking upright on two legs. The ability to walk upright requires that the pelvic bones be aligned in certain ways, and this results in a more narrow birth canal in humans. This combination also makes it more difficult for humans to give birth unassisted. Great post. |
I have always said the epidural was God’s apology to women. Jaynee |
Except that the epidural frequently causes other side effects and problems most associate erroneously with childbirth itself, and doesn’t really work well much of the time (because it wears off or isn’t effective.) Epidurals also curtail the body’s natural release and/or uptake of epinephrine, serotonin and oxytocin, all of which help the body deal with and recover from childbirth. Plenty of women think “well, if it hurt that much with an epidural, it must be unimaginable pain without!” but in reality, they suffered more pain for longer because of the temporary relief of pain in the beginning without any mitigating hormonal release from the body. Also, not all other mammals have it easy. Cows, especially dairy cows, sometimes need quite a bit of pulling to get their calves out of the birth canal. (Some farmers have been known to use tractors.) It’s not all that uncommon to have to remove the calf in pieces because it is too large to birth. I’ve seen serious birthing problems in horses, pigs and dogs, and my experience is relatively limited. I’d be willing to hazard a guess that easier birthing is more a result of natural selection. Humans are intelligent enough to keep women (or at least their babies) from dying in circumstances that would kill out in the wild, even in medieval or prehistoric days. |
Jaynee Doe I agree. I’ve done it with an epidural and I have done it without. I am soooo glad that the epidural was invented. |
DKL: The epidural, I’ve heard, does lessen the pain of child-BIRTH, but pregnancy is pretty much a cheap thrill all around. Not a lot to be done about that. It’s hard on you during and after. I’m convinced that it ages women. I mean, I’m glad I could have had my kids, but it was just not fun at all. |
SilverRain: There is a lot of inaccurate and blatantly false information out there about epidurals. I’m afraid you have received some of that false information. Fluctuations in hormone levels abound before/during/and after childbirth regardless of whether a woman has an epidural or not. I’m a practicing anesthesiologist, and I have safely administered hundreds of epidurals to women (and men as epidurals are often used for major abdominal surgery as well). We could do an additional post on the lousy information out there about epidurals as well as the bullying that happens when people get on their anti-epidural soap boxes. You can find more accurate information about the safety and efficacy of epidurals in this PDF file put out by the American Society of Anesthesiologists. Also, Harvard Medical School’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital also has a user-friendly site with a page identifying side-effects and complications of epidurals here. |
It’s hardly a soap-box, nor am I saying that epidurals are evil and no one should ever have one, though I can see how you would think that from what I wrote above. Much of that information came from an anesthesiologist who had the kindness to explain both pros and cons to me before I decided whether or not to have one. I do, however, think epidurals are over-used and not well understood by all of those who accept them, and I think there is something to be said for experiencing childbirth in all its vicious glory, so long as there are no mitigating circumstances. The rush of excitement and power of accomplishment that came from doing it without chemical assistance was indescribable. (Not that childbirth is a cakewalk, even with an epidural.) |
I think that women should get accurate information about their options in childbirth, and then feel comfortable with whatever decision they make. Nobody is forced or coerced into having an epidural for normal labor. I am all for whatever experience a woman wants to have regarding pain during childbirth. |
I do, however, think epidurals are over-used and not well understood by all of those who accept them, I would guess that epidurals are also poorly understood by many of those that reject them. |
We have done births natural, with an epidural, and c section and will be attempting a vback in November. All I can say is that there are pluses and minuses to all types of deliveries. I have never understood why some feel they need to push one type of birth over another. I largely agree with #19. After many birth experiences I am now simply happy to get everybody home in one piece (please no more month long hospital stays) |
I usually think of PMS and post-partum depression. I know it is a miracle to create families, but the femaleness of our bodies brings us physical and emotional pain. |
SilverRain, that is a soapbox. You are entitled to it. However, my wife will birth #2 soon and when she walks into the hospital she will announce- “My name is Mrs. Nasamomdele and I’m here for my epidural.” If she is to be induced- “My name is Mrs. Nasamomdele, I’m here to be induced and get my epidural.” I think that women who give birth naturally are doing something utterly amazing, but I don’t think it adds value to the birth, and I don’t know of any credible evidence of nasty side-effects, except maybe the “this is kind of fun” remark you get if it works right. It just doesn’t seem right. Regardless, I have never been a part of something so incredible as the birth of my child. I don’t think there’s anything to top it. Jeff, would the “trouble” with human birthing have anything to do with the fact that we are entirely bipedal creatures? |
I don’t think having children was ever meant to be “easy.” We become children of Christ by virtue of the atonement, an infinitely agonizing experience. I think childbirth is the greatest literal metaphore we can experience of the atonement. It is powerful to me that this experience is given to women. It was not a curse, it was a reality. The physical similarities are numerous: immersion in water, nourished and given life by blood, the press of labor, the change of heart (an infant’s heart changes immidately upon birth), the end of one existence and through the breath of life, admission into a new existence. The promised sorrow for women is similar to the promised suffering of the Savior. I have also pondered deeply upon the phrase, “health in the navel”. It is through our umbilical connection to our mothers that we have a navel at all. I believe this promise is significant, if we are truly children of God, of a Heavenly Mother… is there a connection yet unrealized to Her? Are we still connected spiritually, by a spiritual umbilical cord, that transfers all that is good and holy into our lives? |
SilverRain |
Being the father of 3 kids (2 hypnobirthing, and 1 “traditional”), I would say that birthing does not have to be painful in anyway. I’m sure my wife would agree. Much more painful is the raising of said children. I believe that people are free (or should be) to have the kind of delivery they want. But they also should be aware of the options that are available. Sadly our society has the notion that birthing has to be painful (but they also want to schedule their delivery 3 months in advanced….), and non traditional birthing methods are not known among many. To any who are curious, I would say check out hypnobirthing. The classes are great cause the husbands get to learn how to relax too. Very calming…. |
Wow – great post. Very thoughtful and creative! |
I think the fact that we are bipedal is important too, but since we don’t know much about how other hominids gave birth, we can’t really compare. Even some of the brain size studies are highly questionable since we don’t really know very well how large the brain case is; very few skeletons are very complete. It’s true that there are many animals with larger brains, by mass and weight. Elephants and dolphins are two. Three things are important to keep in mind, one I alluded to in the post, which is about brain mass/body mass ratio; which is what I meant when I said our brains are large “relative to” our body size. There is also cortical folding and the relative size of the cortex to other brain tissue. So far as the epidural controversy, I don’t dare touch that with a ten foot pole. I wouldn’t dare tell my pregnant wife what she should do. I’m just encouraging her to look at the options, so I appreciate some of the links that have been posted. |
Strangely enough, despite all sarcasm and judgments to the contrary, I agree with #19, too, and said nothing that would contradict it. Those of you who think I’m on a soapbox, could it be that you’re simply believing that I am based on past experiences, and not actually on what I’m saying? I’m arguing only for education, not saying that natural birth is the answer for everyone. Goodness. |