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when the bird flue was in the news last (’05?), it did motivate me to consider the chances of disease epidemics in general. It needen’t be the brid flu, but any flu or illness where supplies may run short or going to public may be too risky. I stocked up on pedialyte, pain and fever reducers, over the counter meds for nausea and diahrea. the things that might go out of stock, or that it woudl be a pain to go get once you’re sick. then, there was the matter of increasing household supplies to avoid going in public if the risk of infection is high. food, toilet paper, diapers. Pretty much storing about a month more of the things you need to buy all the time. |
Devyn, Isolation didn’t really help against the bubonic plague. Now maybe today we have better walls and more sanitized living quarters, but you have to keep a few things in mind. 1. Plagues hit poorer communities and nations. The United States will not get hit hard by any given plague because we are generally a very clean nation. Our sanitation quality is high. We are quite well prepared as a nation to counter such viral infections. 2. Plagues generally don’t spread out as strongly from poorer nations/communities to the wealthier more sanitized ones. Now, on the counterpoint… 1. Plagues tend to hit when populations skyrocket. The warming period previous to the small ice age increased the population of Europe to new heights, only to be brought down by the small ice age and the bubonic plague. 2. We are in a warming trend globally, and this increases likely diseases that can end up at the level of a plague. I am only slightly concerned, and that is because I live in New York City, very packed and transitory. |
cchrissy – sounds like your experience has been similar to mine, Dan – isolation would help with the flu as it is carried via micro droplets emitted from coughing/sneezing. If I don’t go outside and no one comes in my house, I won’t get sick. Plague was carried by fleas which were on the ubiquitous rats – different situation. To your other points: 1. Not necessarily true – who got hit hardest with SARS outside of Asia? Canada. Also this version of the flu tends to like healthy people similar to the 1918 version, so I think that the big cities are very vulnerable. 2. Not sure I buy this completely as the wealthy nations have much more means to travel and spread the bugs all over |
Interestingly I’ve seen a great deal more interest in food storage lately simply because prices have gone up so quickly and there is concern about shortages. I don’t think that bird flu is currently on very many people’s radar. |
ARJ – just seems to be on the scientists radar which is concerning – of course, perhaps we scientists are just paranoid. |
The scriptures add to the concern about a pandemic. For a desolating scourge shall go forth among the inhabitants of the earth, and shall continue to be poured out from time to time, if they repent not, until the earth is empty… (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 5:19) |
Devyn S., So are the scientists the ones buying up food for storage and driving the prices up? Should I blame them for riots in Haiti? |
Way to get your food storage prepared. I’ve been working on the same thing but my living quarters make it difficult (yes, I know about buying risers and storing wheat under my bed). I just finished reading the 5th installment of Chris Stewart’s The Great and Terrible and never have I felt so motivated to go buy water and food. The church may want to consider giving away copies of this book as they’re trying to get people to pull their food storage together. It could be the first requirement of participating in an Provident Living class or preparation workshop. Now with the pandemic potential, I’ll have to get my husband to filch some protective gear from work. He works for a large biotech and has access to “gowns” that block your germs from the rest of the world and vise-versa for high level “clean rooms.” They look a little like Intel’s bunny suits. Not terribly attractive but effective! |
thanks for the reference Jared, ARJ – yep – blame the scientists – hey, we know the food rioting has nothing to do with biofuels…. PPP – bunny suits – hmm, maybe I should get some of those too |
Devyn S., Do you mean to imply that scientists are in no way responsible for biofuels? |
ARJ – Not the bird flu scientists, but I was merely doing a poor job of taking a swipe at the US Government who claims the run up in food prices has nothing to do with biofuels… |
Oh boy, now we’re getting picky about our scientists. Of course bird flu scientists have their panties in a twist about bird flu. If they didn’t they’d likely be studying something else that they thought was important. I’m sure that biofuel scientists are all upset about issues surrounding biofuels as well. |
Fair enough. I heard on NPR this morning that the WHO had a report they were going to give at the G8 about 75% of food price increases were due to biofuels, but the report was quashed. They inferred by the Bush administration… |
I thought the run-up in food prices was due to bird flu scientist going crazy with their food storage… I should probably be serious for a moment for the humor impaired and make a few points: 1. I think that food storage is important and worthwhile. |
ARJ – well, I know one scientist who has been hoarding some food as of late :) As to point 3 – I absolutely agree, why we are wasting corn and energy to effectively take one gallon of fuel and create one gallon of fuel while decimating the corn crop is a boondoggle. A little frightening to be sure. Now Brazil seems to have got it right, at least in regards to biofuel. I think we will see a lot of these fits and starts over the next few years as we try to figure our way out of the oil mess. |
Several things to have on hand in case of an epidemic: Masks – Can be purchased fairly inexpensively at Wal-Mart Tylenol, aspirin, and other medications for flu symptoms. Gatorade Toilet paper & paper towels, and those clorox wipes. The other things that we are told to keep on hand, water, food, etc. I also recommend hand soap, shampoo, toothpaste and toothbrushes. Paper cups, etc. and aluminum foil. A box of rags would be good. I’m on–or was on—-a committee to improve health care in my community. Representatives of the health department did a presentation for us on the problem of a pandemic. She told us that Parowan just locked down their little town, no one in or out. No one caught the flu. Until. They let the mail in and people got sick, some died. She highly recommended the hand sanitizers as well and told of a relative whose loved one got the flu, but it didn’t spread because they kept everything cloroxed and clean. This flu is pretty bad, she made a believer out of me. |
Thanks Anne – if this version jumps to humans it will likely be very bad as well. Good recommendations too. I need to get some masks, important to get masks with small enough pore sizes to keep water microdroplets out. I am not sure if the Wal-Mart masks count. |
Thanks for this latest version |
With the way that viruses mutate these days, it is inevitable that one day, probably in the near future, we will be facing the mother of all viruses. Just look at how fast these things spread across borders. The world really is flat. Even if we stock up on canned goods, get masks and all the other supplies, our likely hood of being exposed to such a virus is pretty darn high. At least it is too high for my comfort. |
need to stock up on medicine, cleaners and food. |
Trully it is better to live rather than worry about what if’s! You’ll be so busy writing your blog posts about impending armageddon that you might miss that bus with your name on it! |
The first step in preventing a Bird Flu epidemic is to ban the import of poultry from countries with confirmed cases. The bird caretakers must avoid contact with wild birds, control the human traffic in poultry, practice proper washing and disinfection, and report to the authorities any case of strange illnesses in birds or workers. The general public must wash their hands properly after handling chicken meat, clean kitchen surfaces well, cook poultry at high temperatures, not sell live chicken on market places, not allow birds to run free in the yard, not place other species in the same place with birds, avoid contact with wild birds and report any case of dead birds in their farm. |
As with all viruses and infectious diseases, one of the best ways to prevent getting sick is to practice good hygiene. Thoroughly and frequently washing your hands with warm, soapy water is one of the easiest and most effective ways to avoid the spread of disease. If bird flu is a concern, also be sure to try and clean surfaces that may have become contaminated. It’s also important to remind children to frequently wash their hands. |