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Yeah… The Muslim connections. Their like my Lutheran connections. Part Swedish, grandparents from the Mid-West. Must have Lutheran connections. All of those Persons and Ericksons in my family tree. Must be a Lutheran and not a Mormon. I don’t know why it’s a problem if there were Muslim connections, family or even personal beliefs, since there are as many types of Muslims as Christians. But, since Mormons are part of the American mainstream and never discriminated against, we wouldn’t know anything about prejudice and lies about a religious group. Who knows, a Mormon could have a chance in a presidential…. oh wait… |
Anne,
Are you kidding me? Listen, Anne, you need to stop listening to the Republicans that constantly surround you. They are lying to you.
Are you kidding me? So what if he has Muslim ties? What better way to show the Muslim world that we are not a threat to them then by electing a leader who has “Muslim ties?” Or are you suggesting that we should have a “religious test” for our candidates? Because if so, you need to look at the Constitution. Article VI states:
Secondly, do you realize how common a name “Hussein” is in the Middle East? “Adolf” is a common German name but that does not make all Adolfs Hitlers. There is no ambiguity about his religion. He is a Christian. And it is truly sad to see that Republicans have succeeded in making you question this man’s religion. Furthermore, as the Constitution states, “no religious test shall ever be required.”
That’s because you are not listening to him, but to Republican surrogates who are driving a narrative meant to belittle, demean, and demonize him. And it seems they have succeeded with you, Anne.
But he didn’t. Again, the Republicans have successfully propagandized you.
Are you voting for McCain? I thought you were saying earlier that you will vote for Obama. You won’t be voting for the loser this year, Anne, if you vote for Obama. |
annegb, Bill Clinton wasn’t that bad of a president. He just ruined things for himself and Al Gore (and probably Hillary and Chelsea too) by fooling around with Monica. That was an incredibly stupid thing to do for a number of reasons, but outside of that he was an effective moderate, getting us welfare reform and a surplus. I bet you wish we still had a surplus today. |
I feel like that too, annegb. Once again we’re stuck with an unfortunate choice, either way. I like Obama’s charisma, but his off-the-cuff answers with Rick Warren were abysmal and floundering. McCain is kind of slippery on where he stands, and I disagree with a bunch of it. I’m not sure there really is a perfect answer, or just one perfect solution. Maybe we can make progress with either outcome. Who knows. |
It should be noted that both candidates are very inexperienced when it comes to executive leadership. Obama has been in the Senate for less time than McCain. But let’s face it, the Senate really teaches you jack squat about running the Executive branch. If we wanted that kind of experience, we should have nominated effective ex-governors. Not senators. But to be honest, I’m kind of burnt out on “experience” at the moment. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice… That was probably one of the most “experienced” cabinets we’d ever seen in the White House for quite some time. And look where that got us. So frankly, I don’t give a damn for “experience” right now. McCain has no more experience than Obama does in the art of the Presidency. The only thing he has going for him is that he’s lived longer than Obama has, which gives him the illusion of being more experienced. But he really isn’t. As for an economic plan. McCain doesn’t have one. End of story. Back in Florida during the primaries, Romney came forth with a fairly comprehensive plan for economic reform. You might have disagreed with his plan. BUT HE HAD ONE. McCain had nothing. And he hasn’t improved on that. As for foreign policy, I don’t think McCain has any better a grasp of reality than Obama does (Obama has shored up the foreign policy arena by choosing the Democrat head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – Joe Biden). McCain likes to talk tough on Iraq, but I think he’s not really in touch with the reality there. Iraq is not going to be another South Korea for us – a place where we can permanently base US soldiers for regional action. The government is asking us to leave. It’s over – whether McCain wants it or not. On the other hand, it would be nice to have a “wartime” president who has actually served, as opposed to our current make-believe soldier in the White House. Foreign policy-wise, the primary concern is getting a candidate who is equipped to deal with China and Russia. The Middle East is a secondary concern really. I won’t be busted up if McCain wins it. But I’m not impressed with him in the slightest. And I think that most of his advantages over Obama are pure illusion. As for Roe v. Wade. McCain is a wild card. He strikes me as the type of person who would appoint another Kennedy or O’Connor-style justice DELIBERATELY (not accidentally – like Reagan did). Pro-lifers aren’t going to be sitting comfy with McCain. But it’s pretty darn certain Obama isn’t going to nominate someone they like, so maybe they’ll prefer to take a chance on McCain. |
I just don’t see how you can blame a guy for his name. I am quite certain he would have chosen a different one, had he any influence over that decision. Besides, Hussein is perfectly benign–it is exactly like being called John in much of the world. But what I always want to ask when people bring up their Muslim concern is this: If he were Muslim, would that be a problem for you? Seriously, is that a deal breaker? Have all your Christian presidents been so good (and Christian) that you would never consider electing a Hindu, Bhuddist, or Jew? I have no qualms electing a Muslim. I have full faith that Obama is Christian and I see no need to doubt his word (why do we take white guys at their word over this?) His concerns seem very Christian: poverty, and ending war. That is enough for me. Also, if you want to learn more about his drive, why don’t you read one of his books? They are very readable. |
I do not believe McCain has the temperament that I would like to see in a President. See http://obama.senate.gov/letter/060206-sen_obama_and_sen_mccain_exchange_letters_on_ethics_reform/ |
” I don’t know enough about what drives him, what’s important to him. He has used the afore-mentioned prowess in public speaking to reach the individual, but that’s not the same thing as a deeply held belief. There’s no track record with this guy. ” Actually, he has gone on record. He’s taken the time to write two books. I have a copy of AUDACITY OF HOPE. It’s not his fault if you haven’t taken the time to read them. |
I’m not thrilled with either candidate either. I have to go with McCain because I’m sure I would disagree with any Supreme Court Justice that Obama would pick. |
He can’t make up his mind what he wants to be when he grows up. He’s somewhere between a Republican and a Democrat and he tries too hard to walk a middle ground. Actually, that’s one reason why I think he’d be an OUTSTANDING president. |
I like Obama’s charisma, but his off-the-cuff answers with Rick Warren were abysmal and floundering. That’s one of the concerns my Dem friends have — that Obama is good when someone writes him a speech but when he has to go off-script, he has issues. |
it’s been interesting how split the pundits (MSM included) have been re: the Biden pick. watching the CNN coverage tonight I hear more talking points than raw enthusiasm, though that’s probably to be expected for such a Cheneyesque choice. tellingly, I haven’t seen a single post-pick interview with a Clinton insider. I’ll be interested to see whether McCain goes for Romney given the events of the past week. I think he runs a real risk of losing the edge he has gained by calling Obama an elitist celebrity, b/c the dems will characterize the two of them as wildly wealthy and aloof: twelve homes between them, combined net worth of a quarter billion dollars, etc. that said, pulling Michigan into the red would be a huge, huge win vs…Delaware. that said, given Delaware its due. having grown up next door, I have some sense of this state’s inferiority complex. its last 15 minutes of fame were a derogatory mention in Wayne’s World. many think it not much more than a bunch of corporate P.O. Boxes. you have to admit that any state where someone can win election to the Senate at age 29 might not be a terrifically competitive state :-) will be curious to see whether the McCain camp choices to push the born-alive meme raised in today’s radio address. largely ignored to date in the media, Obama has been shown to have exercised selective memory at best and bald dishonesty at worst. if it sticks, it could disrupt the convention bounce. i had been surprised that it hadn’t been brought up until now, but perhaps this is why. |
#1, Brett, I know the logic sucks, but it just sort of nags at me, quietly. Like an angry butterfly. #2, Dan, well, I’m sort of kidding you. Not totally. (see above) I get updates from the Obama campaign and I like a lot of what he says. But I adored Bill Clinton and I’m afraid to trust the rhetoric. I’m a terrible judge of character. Bill said last night, “He doesn’t put his hand on his heart….” And I said, “You forget to do that sometimes, too! Go to a parade and watch all the people just sitting there as the flag goes by.” That’s just a non-issue to me. Although I think people should. Put their hand on their heart when the flag goes by. I’m in favor of Obama at this point, but I haven’t completely made up my mind. I think this choice of Biden is a bad move. #3 ARJ, I don’t know if I agree with you re Clinton, but yeah, sure wish there was a surplus. #4 Thanks, Justine. I wish I had a couple hours stuck in an elevator with Obama. That’s how I’d like to take his measure. #5 Seth, I don’t want a war-time president. I want a peace-time president. I want out of Iraq. Yesterday. #6 Eso, see #1….I’ve avoided his books because you can write anything if you want to win an election. I’d like to know what his next door neighbor, the really onery one, that he had as a kid, says about him. I want to know how he acts when we’re stuck on the elevator for hours. #7 David, thanks for the reference. #8 Naismith, see my above comment to Eso #9 jks, good point. His choice of Joe Biden makes me wonder about his judgement. #10 queno, I’ve had mixed emotions, thinking the same thing. Then I do a “yeah, but…” #11 delaware choices, thanks for the insight. I was thinking about McCain’s pick tonight and how when things go sour, they go for the Mormon. I mean, take that Miss America thing, I love her, but I can’t think of her name—Vanessa Williams! Those years they had the scandals, the next year Miss Utah won. I think they decided, “go for the Mormon, she’d never pose naked.” I’m wondering if McCain’s camp might be thinking that after Edwards’ confession (My heart and lungs and liver go out to Elizabeth Edwards who would get my vote if she ran for president). “Go for the Mormon, he has no baggage.” Well, nobody bring up Larry Craig. I’m just saying. Thanks, all, for commenting. |
annegb, Larry Craig isn’t a Mormon. That’s what you were implying right? |
my guess is that squeaky-cleanness is a low VP priority. if they want to mudsling on the adultery issue they have plenty to attack McCain himself on (though he deftly deflected it somewhat by bringing up the failure of his first marriage as his greatest moral failure – no more gotcha). as much as I would love to see Romney on the ticket – and no, I’ve never met him – something tells me it just ain’t gonna happen. the chances may be higher with his new campaign manager, who seems to run a more rational ship than the quasi-vaudeville act that was going on until a few weeks ago, but something tells me there aren’t any McCain/Romney bumper stickers being printed secretly (except to throw off the Huffington Post…well, that alone might be worth it). Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman would be awesome. Or Sarah Palin, especially if she could convince him otherwise on ANWR drilling… |
Anne, #13,
What I’m telling you is that this is not true. The incident you are referring to this image of Obama not holding his hand to his heart during a rendition of the national anthem. I hate to tell you this, Anne, but there is no requirement to hold your hand to your heart during the national anthem. Only to the pledge of allegiance. Sure it came off as a bad image for Obama (as clearly conservatives pounced on yet another non-story to make it into a story—and they’ve caught you), but there is no question about his patriotism, Anne. Let it be.
Then don’t even consider NOT voting for Obama. You want out of Iraq, never again elect any Republican to power.
Don’t go for the Mormon just because he is Mormon. Would you rather have a Mormon in office who will keep our soldiers in Iraq or a non-Mormon in office who will bring them home? If you vote for McCain because he chooses Mitt Romney, that is what you will get. More wars and more destruction. You think just becuase Romney is Mormon that he will do the right thing? You’ve got to be kidding me! |
I’m absolutely thrilled about choosing between McCain and Obama. I don’t think we’ve ever had a better choice than this one. They have their flaws, but they are both decent and honest people, and I think either one of them would push Americans to rise to our potential. As far as Obama’s Muslim ties are concerned- our 3 last presidents have all had much stronger “Muslim ties” than Barack Obama. |
#14, He’s not? Really? Are you sure? I honestly thought he was. Dan, I wasn’t questioning his patriotism. I was saying that that particular issue doesn’t reflect one’s patriotism and it’s a silly debate. The Republicans didn’t reel me in on that one. And again, I wasn’t advocating going for the Mormon. I was commenting on something I’d noticed—going for the Mormon when people need someone squeaky clean. It was half tongue-in-cheek “get the Mormon.” Dan Ellsworth, that’s the best point on this thread. My “aha!” moment. I’ll use that to refute further criticisms of Obama. Dan, the good Democrat, I haven’t decided who I’ll vote for. Not a clue. I’m leaning towards Ralph Nader. Or maybe I’ll write in Patricia Schroeder. |
“Actually, he has gone on record. He’s taken the time to write two books. I have a copy of AUDACITY OF HOPE. It’s not his fault if you haven’t taken the time to read them.” Hahaha, the AUDACITY OF HOPE of incredibly vague so good look getting a good of Obama from that work. He wants to usher in an era of “new politics” which is defined as being progressive yet traditional. Yeah, clear as mud. DREAMS FROM MY FATHER is a nice coming of age story but that’s about it. My problem with Obama is exactly what annegb describes as “there’s no track record with this guy.” When he burst onto the national scene a couple of years ago talking about “CHANGE” and “HOPE” and “NEW POLITICS” I thought he was just selling progressive/liberal politics in a shiny, new, attractive package. But ever since the primaries have ended he’s thrown all that under the bus and has moderated himself in such a stunning fashion that I have no idea where he really stands. I look at the guy and I see a chameleon who becomes whatever people want him to be. And that’s the message I get from his BOOKS. Obama has perfected the art of being a chameleon. Is he white or black? Ivy-league or Kansas-poor? Progressive or traditional? American or exotic? Elitist or down-to-earth. Who knows, and I wonder if even Obama does. I want someone who will LEAD AMERICA, not someone who will reshape themselves to fit every mold. McCain sucks and I don’t like a lot of his ideas but at least he stands for something and has shown that he will fight and lead for what he believes in. |
Can I buy a nice silk Muslim tie somewhere? It might go well with the blue shirt I’m wearing to church today. |
annegb, Yeah, Senator Craig isn’t Mormon, I think he’s Methodist. If he was Mormon we’d be hearing all kinds of interesting things about the church response to his “wide stance.” |
“I don’t care if his wife wasn’t proud of this country till now. If I were a black woman, I’d have some residual resentment as well.” What I didn’t understand about Mrs. Obama’s remark there was what had changed for her that she was suddenly proud of her country?? Was the mere fact that her husband had won a bunch of democratic primaries enough to tip the scales for her? That’s a pretty superficial view of America if you ask me… But good point too about Mrs. McCain stealing prescription drugs. All she had to do was get professional help and pay everything back which is nothing to a multi-millionaire. In any case, I don’t care too much for seeing spouses on the campaign trail, including BILL CLINTON. |
Cindy McCain has great hair, though. We need good hair back in the White House. |
Billy (19),
Whyat’s wrong with being a combination of all of those things? What’s wrong with being a multi-dimensional person? Do you need your leaders to reflect only one aspect of every possible human quality? |
#22 Billy, well, yeah, I thought that, too. I don’t think we can understand what it’s like to be black in America. Although, I think the time of “the problem of the color line” has passed. I think the problem is one of class and on that, Michelle Obama doesn’t get to complain. #23, well, I don’t like her hair. I thought it was much cuter and chic-er short. I’d go for short, good large earrings (hoops would be cool) and a happening kind of suit, slightly shorter than usual, bright colors. And get McCain a good haircut. He needs to go shorter on the little hair he has. Does anybody notice he looks like he has something in his cheeks? Sort of chipmunk-ish? If I were his advisor, I’d tell him to smile less, not more and when he does, try not to show his teeth. He gets that “Night of the Living Dead” look when he smiles and raises his arm. I’d hire gst to write him some good lines. #24 Dan E. Nothing’s wrong, if that’s who he is. If Obama is who he presents himself to be, he’s terrific. I don’t like Joe Biden, though. |
What’s wrong with being a multi-dimensional person? Absolutely nothing. But it would be nice to actually *define* those dimensions. Being so malleable that you automatically “fit” into lots and lots of contexts is not “multi-dimensional”. |
#24. Dan — I don’t believe you can be in politics and not choose sides. The divisions in this country are real and not make-believe artifacts of Washington partisanship or cynicism. Yes, there can be compromise but everyone can’t have it their way. I see Obama trying to promise all things to all people and I just don’t buy it. As for Obama being a multi-faceted persona, I think that’s great. It makes his compassion more genuine. But if all he can do is “feel my pain” but do nothing to “solve my pain” where does that leave me? That’s not to say that Obama may not be a problem solver… I just want to see some evidence of it. His record is scant and his rhetoric is lofty. I want to see someone get BURNED by him. I want see him produce a work that makes people pull their hair out but ultimately moves the issue forward. I want to see him take a fall for something he believes in. Yeah, I know that paints me as one of those “cynics” that Obama warns about, but I believe you have to get your hands dirty to get work done. And that’s especially true of the POTUS. |
I’d feel more comfortable with Obama if he were more LBJ and less Kennedy. |
“And get McCain a good haircut. He needs to go shorter on the little hair he has. Does anybody notice he looks like he has something in his cheeks? Sort of chipmunk-ish? If I were his advisor, I’d tell him to smile less, not more and when he does, try not to show his teeth. He gets that “Night of the Living Dead†look when he smiles and raises his arm. I’d hire gst to write him some good lines.” Haha I agree with the haircut. As for his swollen cheeks, it’s because he has a lot of deep scarring due to his melanoma cancer treatments. That’s why most of campaign images use his right side since it’s not as bad on that side. Plus if you’ll notice he never raises his arms above his shoulders and he limps– that’s due to his POW time in Vietnam where his captors broke his bones and didn’t let them heal properly. Supposedly he’s always in pain… you’d think he would have been the one with the prescription drug problem! |
Melanoma makes his choice of vice presidential candidates crucial. I tell ya, if he wins, I will be shocked. |
Billy,
What if both of the dominant sides are really stupid on a given issue, as we see with energy? |
# 27 Billy, That’s the #1 problem with American voters- they choose sides. Issues hardly matter. This thread and any other on the subject displays the flawed thinking and bias of many voters. And there are blogs out there that are dedicated to intense hatred and rantings against one party or the other. And on the other hand, simply scan the apologetics on this post for each candidate… The problem in our thinking is that we have decided that the parties are so very different from each other- that partisanship creates mutually exclusive moral frameworks. I agree that either of these candidates would be very good leaders- it is probably the best choice we’ve had to make since Bush I and Clinton. They are very similar in many ways, just not in tax plans and in the language they choose for Iraq policy. The ideas are usually similar because there aren’t too many tricky decisions to be made to get America going the right direction. An aside- this administrations final days is turning out to be very interesting…dare I say acceptable. |
Newt 2012! |
How come you guys aren’t in church? |
Church doesn’t start for 2 1/2 hours. |
Me, I’m inactive now. Sort of. |
Unfortunately church doesn’t start until 3 o’clock- ugh. #31 (Dan) I completely agree. I didn’t mean to say that the battle lines should be drawn around the respective parties. Quite the opposite I think the presidential candidate has the obligation to shape his/her party not the other way around. What I mean to say is that you have to have the guts to confront an issue. Take energy policy for example, particularly drilling. McCain suddenly flips to support offshore drilling but still opposes ANWR in a befuddled mess of opinion. Obama starts off by rejecting drilling as an unsustainable gimmick but then says he may actually embrace the gimmick in the future… but maybe not– what is that? I mean, have some guts and choose a side. If you later learn you’re wrong then flip and embrace the other side but do it openly. Stop trying to couch all your opinions in caveats and nuance. That would be “new politics” to me. #32 (Nasamomdele) I think you’re right that there’s a lot more in common between the two parties than people imagine. Unfortunately partisans will do nothing but disparage the other side. Like you said, Bush right now is implementing foreign policy straight out of the Obama play book but Pelosi and Reid are still criticizing him. If Bush continues on this course it’s Obama who represents a third Bush term :) I still think there are real issues that divide America however. Withdraw troops from Iraq immediately and without preconditions or do it with a flexible time line that reflects the ever changing conditions there? Roe-v-Wade good or bad law? Lower corporate tax rates? Dismiss Bush tax cuts? What to do about deficit spending? Entitlement programs? America’s role (or not) as a global leader? The list goes on and on… One thing I’m sure of, neither Obama nor McCain are ideologues (although I used to think Obama was). They’re both pragmatic guys who have our nation’s best interests at heart. |
Um, Anne, #18,
http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/08/14/almost-i-am-convinced-to-be-a-utahn.htm#comment-89513
I believe you said that. ;) |
Billy wrote: “I look at the guy and I see a chameleon who becomes whatever people want him to be. And that’s the message I get from his BOOKS.” And this is a bad thing? So he’s ambiguous. Fabulous! I’m heartily sick of people who think they are right all the time. |
@30 don’t be shocked if it happens. there was a time I had written him off b/c it seemed like he didn’t really want it enough to play hardball. but his new campaign team has really turned things around in the last few weeks – no longer is his a campaign in disarray. more importantly, he just turned on the juice as evidenced in his saddleback performance (yes, yes, I know it was a friendly audience. but he was sharp. and there was the “$5M” gaffe) I’m starting to wonder if Plouffe and Axelrod need to be replaced. they did a fantastic job during the within-party phase but seem to be stumbling now. the ads are weak, and I think they may be too idealistic which leads to overreaching as suspected by Mark Halperin (formerly of The Note (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-halperin24-2008aug24,0,7102099.story)). the other thing to keep in mind is that this is JSM3′s last chance, whereas BHO literally has a couple decades left in his political career. So, if he loses it’s not the end of his world. all of that said, the VP pick is extraordinarily important. I worry though that he will go the do-no-harm/comfortable-to-me path of Pawlenty. |
I fell hook, line, and sinker for Bill Clinton’s manner and look where that got me. You mean two terms of a broad based economic expansion, a budget surplus, and bipartisan welfare reform? Sounds like a pretty good bargain to me. |
Great article, annegb. What paper is it? |
McCain WILL win Utah. Probably, anyway. |
Seth, if you like ambiguity, McCain’s your man. Kodos, Clinton did more harm than good. Morals and integrity are important, crucial. We’ll probably never be able to gauge the harmful effects of his behavior. Plus I think we can all thank him when China takes over the US. Eric, the Daily Spectrum in Cedar/St. George. Like I said, I don’t think it was well done, sort of thrown together. Still reflected my opinion. Dan, LOL, yeah that’s me trying to get a rise out of the old farts in Sunday School. That actually didn’t happen, but it certainly could have. Off the subject, but, being a Libra, I’ll usually take the opposite opinion of whoever annoys me the most and argue it to the hilt. I gotta tell you, though, if we’re voting based on wives, Obama gets my vote. I stand by my assertion that if he ever cheated on her, she’d shoot him. Delaware, you know……I frankly thought your post was some kind of tylenol (or Viagra) ad. I’m still not sure it isn’t a joke. I’ve never heard of all those people. who are all those initials? or drugs? If McCain picks Romney, my decision will become harder. Because I don’t like Biden, I (now) like Romney. I don’t recall an election where the VP choice was so important to me. I do not want Joe Biden for president, ever. One thing I think about politics, or life, is that things compensate. We’ve had one way for 8 years, we’ll compensate and reach a middle ground temporarily. Change is a constant (which I hate, hate, hate). |
I just discovered something. If you name a drug in your post, it will go right to spam. Guy, ya think? How surprisingly non-attacking of my religion that comment was. Who are you and what have you done with Guy? |
I think it was a horrible attack. He just insinuated that Utah, the most LDS of all states, is populated by idiots. :) |
Post Title: Apologetics of Obama. Billy (37)
100% agree. |
sorry for the abbreviations: JSM3 = john sidney mccain III you have good instincts on biden. although the typical account of his bungled ’88 campaign is that he merely ‘plagiarized’ part of his stump speech, the truth is that he actually lifted Neil Kinnock’s life story and pretended it was his own. see this article in the normally left-leaning Slate for the painful play-by-play: http://www.slate.com/id/2198543/. he is as fake as his hair plugs. and his wisecrack about his wife’s doctorate was, well…were he a republican the msm would’ve jumped all over it. interesting point made today that Romney could push colorado more decisively into the red b/c 2% of citizens in that state are LDS. that plus Michigan could lead JSM3 to hold his nose and go for it… |
Well, ARJ, you know……he has a point. Guys, I’m studying what Obama SAYS he believes and will attempt to do. I like it. Do I buy it? No. I believe politicians will say what they think people want to hear. We only really find out what they believe after they’re in office. That’s why I look for the person I believe to be a good person. McGovern was a good person. Oh, I contradict myself. Jimmy Carter was a good person. Stupid, but good. Well, try to follow me. My logic is skewed. as usual. Queno, shut up. |
anne, This is why you should vote for Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i23QYFAIrvI Just watch that video. |
Quueno, shut up. I’m not sure what I said in this thread to deserve that, but … thank you but no, I won’t. |
At first I didn’t know what you did either, LOL. Then I read my post and realized I was telling you to shut up, in advance, about my “skewed, as usual”, logic, because I figured you’d have some smart alecky comment about my logic. Or lack thereof. I’m glad you didn’t. :) |
What’s wrong with you guys? Some mormons you are. I guess you’re all entitled to your opinions but this is just stupid. I don’t appreciate you guys bringing down someone just because they have a different opinion. By the way… It is a choice. As a mormon you should know that. Better yet you should know that politics aren’t that super duper important anyways. It’s not like we’re living in some dictatorship and you can’t get rid of the leader. Respect others and their opinions. I’m a 16 year old and I have better manners and values than you. Wow. |