Yeah, I’ve had one of those kind of run-ins with him, too. It’s too bad, really. Anyone in a political party that is given un-checked power tends to kind of run a little wild. And he doesn’t even see it.

One might say that’s a sign of how incredibly disorganized the Democratic Party is in Utah, that they can’t beat these guys…

Dogs at parks is one of my pet peeves, too.

I thought that pizza delivery girl handled that situation very well and wrote about it nicely, too. I fear that if I had been in such a situation, I would have been meaner in my write-up.

Re: “I should note that I have no idea why Obama voted “present” so often. I doubt he was conflicted on all those votes.”

Obama has stated that he voted present on bills that he supported but he had concerns that the way in which the bills had been written would make them unconstitutional. So he wanted to be able to fix some of the wording/provisions before actually making them laws. It makes sense to me that a lawmaker would want their laws to be well-written, upheld, and of course, lawful. Too bad so many people view this as a weakness.

danithew,

The problem with Republican politicians in some parts of Utah is that they don’t have enough competition (from Democrats). It makes them arrogant.

That’s what you get when you tie your political views to your religion. Kinda makes “opposition” hard. Can’t be goin’ against the prophet now can we.

Bramble is the #1 turd. Frankly, his being a senator makes me think people in Provo have a very good sense of humor…

nasamondele,

You said that just now? And what prophet would they be going against in what situation? Wait, I actually don’t want to know.

You missed the point. I was making a snide remark about the reason why there is such a disparity between the two parties in Utah. So many Mormons have tied their religious beliefs to a political party as to never accept the points of the other party. In their minds, what the prophet says is closely tied to the Republican party, so in their minds if they go Democrat, they are going against the prophet. But you’re a Utahn Republican. You can’t seem to see this.

#7 Dammit, Dan, the prophet never tells anyone how to vote. That’s crap and you know it. Yes, this is a predominantly Republican state and we get some pressure from members who are Republican, but that isn’t the church.

I don’t like the Republican domination in Utah any more than you do, but be fair.

Southern Utahns love Mathesons. They’re Democrats. I’m glad you put up this post on the Bramble guy because maybe it will help get the word out.

I really long for the day when Democrats take the majority in the Utah State Senate- the payback is going to be so fun to watch.

A more outstanding example of what’s wrong with politics (and the Dem mindset at times) could not be presented.

It should never be about “payback”. If your side has a new approach and new policies you want to implement, then do so. But the moment you start wanting to “get even”, you’ve lost me.

annegb, agreed, but you err if you assume that there isn’t a history of church presidents openly supporting republican candidates.

nasamomdele,

The damage is done by the likes of Harold B. Lee and his kind. I’m glad to see today’s church leaders try to break this connection between the church and the Republican party. They realize the futility and danger of tying the two close together. Unfortunately the damage was done. It will be a while before it is undone.

It is fascinating to read all of your comments. I too have been frustrated by the lack of respectable representation in our State and the increasing partisan back biting. I grew up believing that those of us lucky enough to be born in the United States had a responsibility to do more than just talk (or type) about what’s wrong. I’ve worked hard behind the scenes volunteering in our community, working to bring good people together to solve the problems we face. But I never thought I’d do what I’ve been asked to do this year.

The first time someone suggested I run against Curt Bramble was 5 years ago. Honestly the thought put me in a cold sweat. Who would want to put themselves through such a thing? Would you?

But here I am - doing it. I am running against Curt Bramble to represent Provo in the Utah Senate. Despite the fact that it’s been 22 years since the last time I worked in a state legislature and I’m far more comfortable now driving my son’s soccer team or conducting a PTA meeting - I do not doubt that I can do a better job representing the people of Provo then the current guy. Hey - you wouldn’t catch me making a federal case out of a ‘no-personal check policy’ with the pizza delivery person!

Here’s an old Eric Snider column on delivering pizza to BYU’s President Bateman. Enjoy.

Does it really matter whether the prophets specifically advocated one political party over the other? The members self-enforce the notion. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard “You can’t be a good Mormon and a Democrat” (mostly because of abortion / gay rights issues, as if those were the only issues either party was concerned with). With that thought so pervasive in Utah Mormon culture, it doesn’t matter what church leaders actually say or don’t say….

Last time I heard the “you can’t be a good Mormon and a Democrat” was during a GD class. The instructor stopped, closed his book, and said, “well, then, I guess we’ll have to cut this class short.” He waited for a count of 10, then looked around and asked, “shall we continue?”

extreme pro-life policy

What? I assume you meant extreme pro-choice policy. Check the wording, k?

In any case the choice of the word “extreme” seems to be a poor one. What characterizes an extreme position on the abortion issue?

Frankly, for all the heat generated over that issue there is pretty much no movement on it and yet for many people this is the single issue they base their votes on. I wish we could have a 15-year moratorium on any legislation or rulings on the subject so that the campaigns on both sides would be free to talk about things that are actually going to happen rather than pander to single issue morons.

Sorry, should have been HJG-FDR

#29 arj,

Fruedian slip… I’m still recovering from a lightning strike.

I’m suggesting that the distraction of the abortion issue actively harms our country.

I’m extremely pro-life. I’m also extremely pro-choice.

I’m pretty sure, being aged, I’ve shared this before. Oh well, once in a Relief Society lesson, a teacher started attacking Democrats and I finally raised my hand and defended them. The two Democrats in the room started to cry and thanked me after. True story. Sad, huh?

Boy, old Bramble is a real gem. Poor girl is called into the “no tip zone” (east bench) and moreover to Bramble’s house. Poor Curt. I think I need to try to have some compassion. We should all hold compassion for these guys, help save their souls by getting them out of office now! Had we done that with Leavitte, he would have less blood on his garments for the dirty work he brought about to get his “high political” appointment rewarded him.

I know restaurant workers at one upscale place in Provo who all loath and hate when Bramble shows up. They all nearly have to draw straws to ensure they are not the one to have to serve his table. Cheap tip perhaps, but abusive, insolent behavior.

It doesn’t help that a cousin who interned at the State Capital says he’s detested by the other interns there who see his pompous, outrageous manner.

That aside, does not make him a criminal, but if Utahan’s wanted a true conservative, they’d out that guy so fast for his Establishment, David Rockefeller supporting treason against the United States. Bramble and his ilk love to please their puppet masters, and grovel at the chance for political high appointment should it come their way—as it did for Mickey Leavitte after he treasonously turned over the private information on every Utah Citizen to a national database, which was reported as the “M.A.T.R.I.X.”

Sad state of affairs. And of course, here is the David Rockefeller quotation taken from his own book published in 2002 entitled “Memoirs” from page 405:

“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

And all of that power that Rockefeller holds, is amplified as stooges lusting for power, gain and glory of the world in local states across the country stand lock step in fulfilling a Rockefeller, anti-American Agenda.

More about Rockefeller here:

http://www.awakeandarise.org/article/Rockefeller.htm

More about Curt Bramble here:

http://www.accountabilityutah.org/IssuesAlerts/News/2

From personal experience, I can tell you that jackasses like this guy exist on both sides of the aisle. I’m not sure this is a Republican/Democrat issue.