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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Strange&#8221; Odd Jobs And Spiritual Experiences</title>
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		<title>By: K. West</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments all around. I&#039;m not a Morman, but always wondered about the LDS position on whole body donation, as I dated a Morman who was a body donor. 

In the late 1980s, I worked for a transplant service, and participated in the harvesting of bones and tissue from recently deceased donors. As part of my training, I also toured gross anatomy labs. Generally, students are respectful of their cadavers, and most of them saw anatomy as a fun, learning experience.

At the time, many of my co-workers were body donors; these ladies persuaded me to sign up as a future body donor, as well. Personally, I have no problem with students and teaching assistants carving up my cadaver to learn anatomy -- essentially, my memorial will be the skills that the future surgeons, and other physicians acquire from dissecting my cadaver.

Truthfully, I have no problem with my leftovers being hacked up for the incinerator, as Devyn describes. As the Bible says, &quot;Ashes to ashes, dust to dust&quot;; ultimately, my cremains will be commingled with the ashes of dozens of men and women who served as body donors. This final disposition is selfless, spiritual, and respectful of the environment, as every donor is buried directly into the soil. 

Despite the unpleasantries associated with dissection, it is necessary for medical training and research, and medicine&#039;s centuries-old &quot;rites of passage&quot;, gross anatomy, should be deemed an honor to all people who donate their bodies for dissection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments all around. I&#8217;m not a Morman, but always wondered about the LDS position on whole body donation, as I dated a Morman who was a body donor. </p>
<p>In the late 1980s, I worked for a transplant service, and participated in the harvesting of bones and tissue from recently deceased donors. As part of my training, I also toured gross anatomy labs. Generally, students are respectful of their cadavers, and most of them saw anatomy as a fun, learning experience.</p>
<p>At the time, many of my co-workers were body donors; these ladies persuaded me to sign up as a future body donor, as well. Personally, I have no problem with students and teaching assistants carving up my cadaver to learn anatomy &#8212; essentially, my memorial will be the skills that the future surgeons, and other physicians acquire from dissecting my cadaver.</p>
<p>Truthfully, I have no problem with my leftovers being hacked up for the incinerator, as Devyn describes. As the Bible says, &#8220;Ashes to ashes, dust to dust&#8221;; ultimately, my cremains will be commingled with the ashes of dozens of men and women who served as body donors. This final disposition is selfless, spiritual, and respectful of the environment, as every donor is buried directly into the soil. </p>
<p>Despite the unpleasantries associated with dissection, it is necessary for medical training and research, and medicine&#8217;s centuries-old &#8220;rites of passage&#8221;, gross anatomy, should be deemed an honor to all people who donate their bodies for dissection.</p>
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		<title>By: Devyn S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devyn S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Left Field - wow not many faculty stay around that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Left Field &#8211; wow not many faculty stay around that long.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devyn,

That was in about 1990, so she would have been teaching at that university for 40-some years.  I am now teaching at a Catholic and historically Black university.  

John, both BYU and my postdoctoral institution had the same rules Devyn mentioned respecting the cadavers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devyn,</p>
<p>That was in about 1990, so she would have been teaching at that university for 40-some years.  I am now teaching at a Catholic and historically Black university.  </p>
<p>John, both BYU and my postdoctoral institution had the same rules Devyn mentioned respecting the cadavers.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
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		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if everyone would feel the spirit as you did.. . .LOL, Left Field, Jeffrey Dahmer came to my mind, too! 

Well, ARJ, I know I still feel quite spiritual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if everyone would feel the spirit as you did.. . .LOL, Left Field, Jeffrey Dahmer came to my mind, too! </p>
<p>Well, ARJ, I know I still feel quite spiritual.</p>
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		<title>By: Devyn S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devyn S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tagore - it was at a University North of BYU.

John - there were very strict rules.  No naming of cadavers, no joking about the bodies, etc.  The students received a long lecture on respect and dignity for the cadavers at the first of the semester and we did not tolerate any deviation from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagore &#8211; it was at a University North of BYU.</p>
<p>John &#8211; there were very strict rules.  No naming of cadavers, no joking about the bodies, etc.  The students received a long lecture on respect and dignity for the cadavers at the first of the semester and we did not tolerate any deviation from that.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devyn and Left Field, perhaps you can help me out.  In the ideal abstract, I like the idea of human bodies being used for education and research; however, I don&#039;t trust that the bodies will always be treated with appropriate dignity.  What did your programs do to maintain proper standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devyn and Left Field, perhaps you can help me out.  In the ideal abstract, I like the idea of human bodies being used for education and research; however, I don&#8217;t trust that the bodies will always be treated with appropriate dignity.  What did your programs do to maintain proper standards?</p>
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		<title>By: Tagore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devyn, you win, man. No way to top your experience. Fortunately you weren&#039;t doing that at BYU, because you almost certainly would have run into people who protested your cremating the bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devyn, you win, man. No way to top your experience. Fortunately you weren&#8217;t doing that at BYU, because you almost certainly would have run into people who protested your cremating the bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Devyn S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devyn S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left Field - Since the 1940&#039;s?  wow that is old.  I had a similar experience dressing my father in his temple robes and found it to be a moving experience as well.  Are you in academia now or did you flee to industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left Field &#8211; Since the 1940&#8242;s?  wow that is old.  I had a similar experience dressing my father in his temple robes and found it to be a moving experience as well.  Are you in academia now or did you flee to industry?</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think BYU just considered it as part of my service as a TA.  I think I might have viewed it a little differently if I&#039;d taken them one at a time all the way through cremation.  But to spend an evening doing nothing but sawing people into pieces was a bit odd.

When I was a postdoc at a medical school, they hired me one semester to help teach the gross anatomy labs.  They had a morgue on site, and I was able to watch the process of embalming and preparing cadavers for use in the lab.

The professor who freaked out was a bit of an odd duck.  She had been at the university since the &#039;40s and was a couple of generations removed from other faculty, and the last remaining faculty member in the department without a Ph.D.  I was more than a little surprised by her reaction.  BYU undergraduates work (or used to) routinely with cadavers with no lawsuits that I know of, so it hadn&#039;t remotely occurred to me that anyone would think there would be a problem.  I think she just had some personal issues with it.

Last year, I was asked to help dress a brother in his temple robes for burial.  He had Alzheimer&#039;s and had been in a nursing home since I&#039;ve been in the ward, so I had never met him.  Then a few months later I had the opportunity to perform the same service for my father.  Those definitely qualify as spiritual experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think BYU just considered it as part of my service as a TA.  I think I might have viewed it a little differently if I&#8217;d taken them one at a time all the way through cremation.  But to spend an evening doing nothing but sawing people into pieces was a bit odd.</p>
<p>When I was a postdoc at a medical school, they hired me one semester to help teach the gross anatomy labs.  They had a morgue on site, and I was able to watch the process of embalming and preparing cadavers for use in the lab.</p>
<p>The professor who freaked out was a bit of an odd duck.  She had been at the university since the &#8217;40s and was a couple of generations removed from other faculty, and the last remaining faculty member in the department without a Ph.D.  I was more than a little surprised by her reaction.  BYU undergraduates work (or used to) routinely with cadavers with no lawsuits that I know of, so it hadn&#8217;t remotely occurred to me that anyone would think there would be a problem.  I think she just had some personal issues with it.</p>
<p>Last year, I was asked to help dress a brother in his temple robes for burial.  He had Alzheimer&#8217;s and had been in a nursing home since I&#8217;ve been in the ward, so I had never met him.  Then a few months later I had the opportunity to perform the same service for my father.  Those definitely qualify as spiritual experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Devyn S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devyn S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left Field - we use to bring high school kids in to show them the cadavers.  Inevitably the largest male would always pass out, while everyone else was fine.  We would have one of us stay near the crowd of athletic looking boys to catch the one that fell.  Too bad they freaked out on you as it is a great experience everyone should have to understand how truly amazing the body is.

Danithew and Howard - you certainly gain a respect and appreciation for the body when you have to stare at it for hours on end.

ARJ - does he get paid for that job??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left Field &#8211; we use to bring high school kids in to show them the cadavers.  Inevitably the largest male would always pass out, while everyone else was fine.  We would have one of us stay near the crowd of athletic looking boys to catch the one that fell.  Too bad they freaked out on you as it is a great experience everyone should have to understand how truly amazing the body is.</p>
<p>Danithew and Howard &#8211; you certainly gain a respect and appreciation for the body when you have to stare at it for hours on end.</p>
<p>ARJ &#8211; does he get paid for that job??</p>
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