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My wife and I made a quick stop in Nauvoo about a month ago. We didn’t have time or patience for the pageant–and I tend to be against bad Mormon culture anyway. But we walked around Nauvoo and drove out to Carthage Jail for our last few hours in the area. We got there just as the tour guides/missionaries were leaving. Our pamphlet listed hours…but apparently those hours don’t hold for pageant season. So we missed out on seeing something truly important because of the pageant. One more reason for me to dislike them… |
I feel about pageants the same way I feel about deer or fish: you seen one, you seen ‘em all. It doesn’t stop Bill from pointing out every deer on the road for hundred of miles. But you know, different strokes for different folks. Something for everybody. It’s all good. |
I was thinking you were going to make a case for pageants, which I was really curious to hear because I know of no good argument on their behalf. I find the existence of pageants embarrassing. They are a wicked tradition of our fathers. |
I went to Manti pageant in my BYU days; I found myself weirded out by the pageant, so I spent most of the time scoping for chicks. |
Tagore, I am making a case for pageants… as everlasting hell. I know of no good argument on their behalf either. As for being “a wicked tradition of our fathers,” I understand this more literally than you know. As a missionary, my father participated in the HIll Cumorah pageant and still looks upon it with a certain nostalgia (it’s the only reason I’ve seen the new one). I hope all of the pageant hating doesn’t scare off anyone that wants to comment on how or why they might be a good thing. I really am curious. |
#4: Yeah, “weirded out” is a really good way to describe my initial reaction. That’s why I don’t get why the anti-Mormon protesters don’t just let the pageant do their work for them. As for scoping for chicks, that is a much better use of your time, but doing it at a pageant could be dangerous. You wouldn’t want to end up dating someone that actually liked pageants, would you? Then what if you married her? She might want to commemorate the anniversary of your meeting every year by participating in said pageant (you know, camping out nearby with your seven children, all dressed in bed sheets… the whole nine yards). |
Pagents are proof that some people confuse emotion for the spirit. |
The only pageant I’ve ever been to was the one in Manti. The only thing I remember is the line where they say that a great Book of Mormon battle happened on the hill directly behind the stage. (Really?) |
KyleM, I don’t know if I can agree with that… unless you are implying that people confuse the Spirit with feelings of being perplexed, weirded out, and bored all at the same time. |
Well, someone has to think they’re spiritual, or at least cool. They all can’t be unfortunate pagent neophytes. Do they use tithing money for these? (I dread the answer.) |
Yes indeed. Who are these people? I’m hoping we can scare up a few. Again, I hope they won’t find this environment too hostile to post in, but I’m having a hard time restraining myself. |
I never seen a pageant and never want to, but I did see “Savior of the World”. I would say it is pageant-esque, and equally wierd/dull. The worst part is that we went with my non-Mormon in-laws. I think it set back any chance for investigation by as many years as it will take them to forget… |
Back in the 80s, my boyfriend’s bishop rented a bus and took us to the Manti pageant. It was pouring rain and we were miserable and cold but the bishop did his best and ran to a convenience store and bought out their supply of garbage bags for us to make ponchos. It was the first time I was exposed to polygamy. I guess there are many polygamists in Manti and we talked to a few when we explored the town. Kind of an eye opener for a 17 year old. |
I really liked the “old” Hill Cumorah Pagent, have wanted to catch the new one some time. the old Manti Pageant really outdid itself in terms of length, incoherence, spectator discomfort, and Salem Witch-like audio Isn’t that the truth. |
As a regular victim of the Hill Cumorah Pageant (locally referred to only as “Pageant”), I think you have accurately identified some real concerns. I believe our Pageant to be both bad religion and bad theatre, so I hate it. I concur that it seems like very bad proselytizing, but my views are, no doubt, considered sacrilegious in this area. There are persistent rumors here that the protesters at Pageant are actually hired to be there. I don’t know why that story makes people feel better about them, but I assume it is repeated every year because it makes a difference to someone. Also, I think (at least our) Pageant IS funded to some degree by the church, but in the last few years the budget has been very drastically reduced. I do know 2 people who identify the HC Pageant as their conversion tool. Personally, I wish their friends had brought them to a Sacrament Meeting, instead. Lastly, many families in my area participate in Pageant every year (beyond just the assignments all the local wards get) at great sacrifice–it requires 3+ weeks off work! Members of my own family have participated many years and they all seem to love it. It’s like EFY for adults. Seriously. My mom keeps asking why I don’t go do it, but I spent four years at BYU, so I am all EFYed out. |
ESO: I used to be in the Rochester Stake (Brighton Ward). Where are you? I have one good friend who was counts Pageant (aka, Hill Cumorah Pageant) as instrumental to her conversion—and she is not a touchy-feely emotional type. There were a couple people in my ward who also were introduced to the Church through Pageant. I thought the performance was fine except for two things: King Noah’s voice (and laugh, especially) are so over the top vaudeville villain that it’s silly; they make the violence kinda fun and exciting, which is totally not the message of the BoM. I took a friend to Pageant one year. There’s no way she ever would have come to church with me. She understood that it was a pageant and so it would be weird and flamboyant and…well, pageanty. I’m glad she came. I don’t think she will ever be interested in religion, but she at least has a positive experience with Mormonism. If there is ever any anti-Mormon talk going around her neighborhood or office, I’m confident that she will associate it with the “crazies” outside the Pageant grounds and stand up for Mormons’ rights. |
BrianJ–right there. We are now called the Third Ward, unfortunately. |
You think anybody would be foolish enough now to speak up and make a case FOR pageants? I’m famously foolish, and even I wouldn’t dare. But I’ve been working on a post about the origin of Mormon pageants and why they became so popular; I hope to have the research finished in the next coupla weeks. Until then I’ll just say that you’re all a bunch of cultural Philistines, then duck for cover. |
I grew up in RLDS country (i.e., the parts the “Brigham Young faction” left), and I loved going to Cumorah every other year with my family. Some of us didn’t get the chance to get jaded by Temple Square as a Church cultural destination. And plus, I liked the whole Samuel the Lamanite bit. Tell me it’s not gone away in the new one… |
ESO, can you shoot me an email? (You have my address in the admin I presume, but just in case: zimbaim at yahoo dot com.) I only moved from the Brighton/4th ward about 4 months ago. |
“Until then I’ll just say that you’re all a bunch of cultural Philistines, then duck for cover.” Does that make one of us a cultural giant? |
I’ll venture this defense. I had a great time all three times I went to the Hill Cumorah Pageant, and the hospitality and obvious spiritual devotion of the local Saints won me over so much that any flaws in the pageant pale in comparison. And I think the score, by an exceptional talent among the Mormons, Crawford Gates, is excellent. |
The highlights I remember from the Manti pageant are Samuel (the Lamanite) jumping off a retaining wall, and a spotlight shining to reveal a living statue Moroni atop the temple’s tower. Both pretty cool uses of the surroundings. I enjoyed interactions with the residents of Manti and the fun of gathering with a few thousand saints for an evening on the temple grounds. Also, I got a kick out of hearing that announcer whose prerecorded voice issued instructions to the crowd. He was the narrator of the Tom Trails filmstrips, which occupy a dear place in my heart and on my shelf. Later he was the voice of BYU’s class registration phone system, and when I heard his voice in other settings, I half-expected him to complete his phrases with “Enter an action code now.” |
I am a 7 year veteran of watching the Nauvoo pageant. I have not particpated in it, but know several families who have made it a tradition to be in the show every year. They make a point to bear their testimonies at church about how spirtually strengthing the 2 week experience was, etc. Of course, these same families have kids who escape the area as soon as they graduate high school, and they do not come back to visit the folks at holidays. My personal favorite part of the Nauvoo pageant is watching the speaking characters literally choke on bugs who swarm when the stage lights come on. Summers in Illinois are extremely humid, miserable affairs. It is always very entertaining to see who will win, the giant flying knats who buzz so loud it can drown out the taped voice overs, or the poor unfortunate souls who parents think this is the ultimate in quality family time. Yes, I go every year. My husband is convinced it is a faith promoting experience to drag our children to. I have learned to keep the peace, and I am grateful he hasn’t suggested we join the show. That would be an eternal marriage deal-breaker. (as a side note: For non-member fanatics, Illinois is a haven for civil war buffs, who drag wives and children to different historical reenactments every weekend, where they camp in the city parks, in tents from the era, wearing wool clothes in 100 degree heat, cooking over fires, etc. That makes the pageant look like a cake walk. Another reason to be thankful to be a Mormon. Our church schedule won’t let anyone be gone every weekend all summer long.) |
I had this mental image, Pageants = Mormonism for the Ren Faire crowd. |
Pageants = Mormonism for the Ren Faire crowd. Nah, that’s what handcart reenactments are. |
i probably shouldn’t mention that i almost dragged the family to the castle dale (is that right?) pageant this summer, but there it is. in my defense, i’m a convert who always thought they sounded kind of fun. the closest my husband has ever come is the mormon battalion commemorations he marched in as a youth. he used the experience to branch out and find dates outside of the stake. |
This post rules. I laughed like five times reading it. Nice work Orwell. (Maybe I loved it because I am sooo with you on being utterly baffled by the appeal of pageants.) |
Until last year, there was a pageant at the Oakland Temple interstake center. All the people in our ward loved it when it was our stake’s turn to participate. I saw it once and knew I didn’t want to have anything to do with it. I think I cheered during PEC when the bishop announced its cancellation by Salt Lake. I got a bunch of scowls from the other meeting attenders for my reaction, even if it wasn’t a cheer. |