44 Comments | leave a comment | RSS 2.0 for this post | trackbacks off |
Nice write-up. I’m sure there will be…at least someone who will nit-pick, but again I think you hit the major points. I wasn’t expecting Obama to come out so directly against McCain—that’s usually the VPs job. |
DKL, I dunno how much more Obama could have done with that speech, it was pretty good stuff. The undecideds are a tough bunch to reach any day of the week. |
DKL: It was a good speech with a fantastic delivery, but he could have done more to appeal to the undecided voters in the center. I agree that it was a good speech with a fantastic delivery. I doubt there was a lot more he could have done to appeal to the undecided voters in the center though. For me, an independent (now) who has never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in my 5 general election, it was a home run. I’m voting Obama this year. Now admittedly I was leaning that way before this week but I was thrilled with his message and delivery. In other words I believed him. I’m buying what he is selling. I will say that the Republicans ought to be careful of trying to go with the nitpicky sour grapes rebuttals to aggressively. Trying to crush the hope of hopeful people is not a great way to win fans. They would be better off convincing us centrists that McCain can deliver on the optimistic vision Obama preaches even better than Obama can. In other words, McCain might need to out-hope Obama but I don’t think that he has that in him… There is no doubt that he is a preacher at heart. But I’m a religious guy so I appreciate a good preacher. On top of that he used a lot of my favorite lines from the Republican playbook when he went with the whole fathers need to be there/ government can’t replace families/ parents must do their job too angle. I thought he was channeling the good parts about Romney then. I liked his centrist takes in the speech on hot issues too (gun control, abortion, gay marriage). But mostly I like the optimism and hope he inspires in people. I liked his charisma. That’s the kind of thing I am looking for in a president. |
Weird… My last two paragraphs are switched in the order I intended them to show up in that comment. |
Great job on these convention reports. |
I have to say it was home run for me too, another undecided centrist. I had been going back and forth between McCain and Obama, although like Geoff, leaning Obama most of the time. I watched the speech tonight at the gym with no sound and closed captioning. And even still, I was utterly moved by it. To the point that I wanted to run out and slap an Obama bumper sticker on my car. I truly trust him and I think he’s absolutely sincere. And that’s more than what I can say for any other politician in probably my lifetime. And I was moved simply by seeing the crowd’s reaction. Some people will cry “celebrity!”, but for me, seeing this huge crowd, clapping, smiling, waving their American flags, I saw a hope and enthusiasm, that again, I’ve never seen in my lifetime. People felt proud of their country and hopeful for it’s future, and that alone is enough to vote for Barack. |
DKL, That was a good report. This was indeed a historic night for America, and it makes me happy for the future. We, indeed, have come a long way as a nation from 45 years ago. |
“It was forty-five years ago today, Once I was watching the mayor of Baltimore work a neighborhood crowd, and it was a delight to behold, like watching any craftsman at work. I was struck by the need for a person in that position the leader for all his constituents, including the hefty portion who disagree with him and voted for someone else. Obama seems to have more of that quality than other recent presidential candidates. |
Wouldn’t “Mormon Mentalities” be a better heading for this site, since there is no such thing as a single Mormon mentality, something your site makes quite clear? |
“since the US victory over Soviet Communism in the Cold War” Fantasy talk. Soviets imploded all by themselves, the US had nothing to do with it. It would have happened anyway, no matter what the US did during the preceding years, since it was just about bad economics on the soviet side. |
By the way, who’s your pick for McCain’s VP? before they announce it off course. My guess is a woman but not sure which one. |
Pawlenty says he’s out. I’m guessing it’s between Romeny and Palin. |
It’s Palin. there is a chartered plane from Alaska to Dayton Ohio. She’s your Republican VP. |
Maybe Palin wouldn’t be so bad… http://kodiakkonfidential.blogspot.com/2007/12/sarah-in-vogue.html |
eh, I spoke too soon. ABCNews is reporting that Palin is still in Alaska, at least that is what Palin’s spokeswoman says. It wouldn’t be the first time that a politician’s spokesperson lies… |
If I were a Democrat, Palin would be the last person I’d want McCain to choose. I would be hoping for Romney. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_mccain_veepstakes;_ylt=Ai2kPm_WnhqrbsNfCtlFemWs0NUE |
the choice of Palin would undercut all of McCain’s arguments against Obama over inexperience. She’s forty four! It appears likely she’ll be the choice, but it’s a very bad choice. I think Obama wins in a landslide. Good summary of the convention, DKL. I was expecting something really harsh, but you’re very even-handed. Bruce and I attended an Obama party at a little apartment in Provo, with one of our friends who is running for office as a democrat. There was one point where Bruce and I both teared up: When Obama talked about cancer patients who would no longer be denied medication they needed because insurance wouldn’t cover it. Bruce’s sister, who recently died of cancer, went through so much unnecessary pain because insurance wouldn’t cover the medication she needed. That one hit home. Personally, I loved Beau Biden’s tribute to his father. It gave me some new respect for a guy I really don’t know. |
Margaret – But she’d just be a VP. She’d be no worse than Quayle. McCain doesn’t have to rely on experience like Obama does. I’d love to see what the feminists have to say about it… |
Margaret, Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined. And the Republican ticket is setup correctly with experience on the top, the Democratic ticket is backwards. |
Aluwid, That’s a funny argument to make. That means that Palin has more executive experience than John McCain too! |
“no worse than Quayle.” There’s your campaign slogan! |
What’s with all the baseball analogies for an event that took place at Invesco Field. On the opening day of college football no less. |
Nice report. I really enjoyed the convention. I thought Pres. Clinton’s speech was the best I have seen of his since he was in office–it makes me wonder if he has been drunk through the rest of this campaign. Personal highlights: I am SO glad I am not the organizer of the RNC convention–I would hate to follow that back-to-back. |
I just want to agree with DKL on the TERRIBLE music choices after Obama’s speech. A lackluster pop-country song by an artist who probably thinks Obama is a terrorist and then weirdo movie music? The DNC’s music chair needs to be put down. |
DKL, I think these posts have been fair and very insightful. Well done. I can tell that you have a disciplined and, dare I say, pure interest in politics. When people can talk about things they may not agree with in such a respectful way, it is a genuine reflection of maturity and to me, expertise. |
Amri, you’ll love this bit at the National Review: The song that played at the end of Obama’s speech, “Only in America,” is a Brooks & Dunn tune. I don’t know who they’re supporting this time around, if anyone. But the last time that song was played at a political convention, it was at the GOP convention in ’04. And Brooks & Dunn played it live. |
The DNC’s music chair needs to be put down. In a non-death penalty sort of way, perhaps? |
Steve, here’s my Sarah Palin slogan: “Our VP is more experienced that your presidential candidate!” |
@25 I think it was chosen deliberately for exurban appeal (i.e. country music is typically more associated with Republican voters) what I can’t figure out is why people are so psyched about Hillary’s tagline of “no way, no how, no McCain.” It just sounds awkward and strained to me. |
I agree on the Hillary tagline being awkward and strained. But maybe it is just avid Hillary fans who are using it. I thought the “Eight is Enough!” slogan from last night was pretty clever though. |
I didn’t like the country music song much. But I did like the movie music. Deep down, I’m a sucker for dramatic movie soundtracks. |
I thought the country music outro was an interesting choice also, seeing how Country singers and fans are almost monolithlically Republican. Also, it was great to see all of the American flags. I read an article (don’t remember where) that suggested that for Democrats to bridge the patriot gap with Republicans, they needed to take the American flags the Repubs wave and wave it right back at them. Combining the flags with the fireworks at the end, it looked like a Fourth of July celebration. I was surprised to read some conservative commentators and talk show hosts complain that Barack came across as angry and mean. If anything, I thought he was fired up and enthusiastic. I’m guessing if he came across as nuanced, they’d rip him apart for being too effete and out of touch and brand him the next John Kerry. It seems the Obama campaign is concerned about being swift-boated, and it’ll be interesting to see if overreacting works better than underreacting. Yes, the policy proposals were mostly standard Democratic fare, but I was shocked when he proposed cutting capital gains taxes for small businesses. Normally, capital gains taxes are one of the Republicans’ sacred cows, and it takes away John McCain’s argument that he’d be better for small business. I also thought the five ordinary Americans that spoke before Obama did great. “We need a president who puts Barney Smith before Smith Barney” was the signature line of the whole convention. |
“I was shocked when he proposed cutting capital gains taxes for small businesses.” Is this true? Everything I’ve read to this point has Obama raising capital gains taxes, quite a bit in fact. If what you say is true that’s a relief as I am planning on starting a business in the next 6-12 months. It’s obviously one of my main concerns about him. |
Okay I found it: “I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the startups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.” This seems both too narrow (define high-wage and high-tech) and also unlikely. With everyone knocking Romney for telling people only what they wanted to hear (which he did), Obama falls in the same boat. |
Obama was the only candidate who voted against the Bankruptcy reform bill in 2005 – a bill almost written verbatim by credit card lobbyists (and it has the sloppy legal writing and Constitutional challenges to prove it). Passed both houses with flying colors and Obama was one of the few who saw it as nothing more than a handout to major lenders. That got him my vote months ago. Now with the credit market in so much trouble, he looks pretty dang foresighted. |
my favorite moment of the convention was the roll call. NOT the all-too-painfully-scripted moment when HRC ended it, but Nanny Pelosi’s leading the vote. I don’t have an exact quote, but it went something like this: NP: I have a proposal that we cease the roll call and nominate Barack Obama as the candidate. All in favor? (waits several several seconds for the screaming AYES to die down) NP: Are there any opposed? (waits about one-tenth of a second and then goes on, obviously to forestall an outbreak of NAYs) gotta love that freedom of speech stuff :-) |
I am not a die-hard Democrat but am LDS. I support Obama. |
TimJ, From everything I’ve read, including a Parson’s report on both candidates’ tax policies, Obama is going after Capital Gains and higher personal incomes. Taxing businesses won’t net a thing because no one reports a profit, or ends a fiscal year with a profit simply to avoid paying taxes. Just like the oil companies, businesses roll the $$$ back into capital or dividends to stockholders. So really, it is just a bigger tax cut with nothing to buoy it and it hurts the investment market. So it seems like a band-aid that makes our future less bright at the cost of our today. That’s my perception, at least. I’m no expert. McCain’s plan is, of course, more market friendly and more business-friendly. It stands to reason that investors, that is everyone with a 401k, would benefit from a stronger investment market. Taxes aren’t as important to me as regulation is. Regardless of who has been president for the last 3 decades, some kind of bubble has burst and hurt the economy. I’d like to see more process regulation-just a little more bureaucracy in capital markets. Whoever seems to have a better grasp of that issue will have my attention more. |
But, you just can’t believe what a candidate says he’ll do, or what he says he believes. Remember “Read my lips?” Jimmy Carter sure had some promises I’d've liked to believe but was unable to accomplish many of them. How do we decide based on promises that may or may not be kept? We go for what we consider better possibilities? Who has the more attractive family, hairdo, speaking manner? I think we should break up into 50 countries and have some sort of central coordinating board. |
Deleware–that made me laugh, too annegb–It was Bush Sr. who wanted us to read his lips. I hear what you are saying–I genuinely believe that Obama will be able to work the Congress better than McCain (for lots of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he is simply more likable), so I think his promises hold more water. I think McCain will likely not have a GOP congress to go along with his plans and no one will be very excited about his vision of the war. That said, Clinton did a pretty good job with some of his issues even with an opposition Congress. |
Oh, I know it was Bush. That is just the stellar example that you can’t believe what the candidates say. I read an article somewhere listing the most effective presidents in the 20th century. Jimmy Carter was lowest on the list. or pretty low. LBJ, the highest. You know, though, ESO, as usual, I missed a pertinent point. Congress. McCain has crossed the room to Democrats a lot and might have a lot of cooperation should he win. Both candidates probably have that going for them. |
How do we decide based on promises that may or may not be kept? We go for what we consider better possibilities? Who has the more attractive family, hairdo, speaking manner? I think you look at who has a better track record of working with both parties, at getting things done, etc. |
McCain has shown he is quite able to work with Democrats, for better or for worse. Everybody harps on his voting 90% with Bush. Obama has voted 97%(!) with the Democratic Party. But one thing that has been mentioned elsewhere, if you have one party rule both the executive and the legislative branch, checks and balances tend to get all out of whack. |