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I think we all have stories. My favorites are when somebody who is long inactive calls for help moving. Everybody shows up and they expect the crew to box them up and do the whole job. While they watch TV. Best are when they want you to move only large items. When I moved 2 years ago I hired a crew. I had seen enough damage done by LDS crews not to trust them with my wife’s furniture |
I’d like to raise a word of defense for your second case, the woman who directed everyone. When ward members have helped us move, I’ve asked my wife to not get involved in carting stuff around, and instead direct everyone, so that the donated labor of those half dozen people (and me and our children) is being used in the best way, and no one is left wondering where stuff goes. Don’t worry that she getting off light; she’s also had plenty of moving work to do before people come to help and after they’ve left. It’s too bad the woman in your story couldn’t direct without rubbing people the wrong way. |
bbell – Amen, I am never using members to move my things for all of the reasons you state John – I think the situation you describe with your wife is very different – in this case the woman was ordering people as if she were a queen – it was not pleasant at all. I don’t mind someone telling where to place things, it adds to the efficiency. |
I recall being asked to help someone move and with the other members of the RS presidency, showing up at her home at the appointed time, to a complete mess. We had to clean and pack for her. I’m moving back to Enoch and I asked my visiting teachers to help me pack. Just my kitchen, because it would take me six hours to wrap and pack all the glassware, etc., with them, it should take two. I think they’re a bit nervous about the prospect. Since they’ve never met me, they’re probably wondering if they’ll be called on to clean, etc. About the “queen bee”–I’ll probably sound that way, also, because some stuff is going into storage and I’m nervous about my stuff getting mixed up. |
What annoys me to no end are people who have been given a check by their employer to pay for moving, and then call the ward. I won’t mention the name of the company (three-letter acronym starting with I), but they are very generous on relocations and we still had to move these people. The elders quorum is not supposed to replace the normal relocation assistance a company offers (just like Church welfare does not replace government welfare). On the flip side, we moved a family in January during a rainstorm that was under a tight timeframe (they received notice on Thursday that they had to relocate and we were attempting to move into a storage unit on Saturday). It was poring. But the wife had hot apple cider and hot chocolate and donuts. |
What I’ve also seen done is that people moving will create a map of a house with the rooms clearly labeled and hand it to the people helping them move. Then they’ll also have the boxes clearly labeled. We have a nice situation with our over-sized ward right now, in that we can get 8-10 elders in to help do a move, even on a slow day. |
When I was EQ president, I was often heard saying, “Priesthood moving services are free, and worth every penny.” I have never understood the people who have “last minute moves”–these seem to happen more often than you’d think. “Are you getting evicted?” No, we just didn’t renew our lease and have to be out by tomorrow. I agree with John that it helps to have the “presiding sister” direct people and goods. We recently moved a family into our ward, the wife was off running errands, and there was quite a bit of “do over” work when she got back. It turns out the husband had no idea what needed to go where. When it comes to directing volunteers, I think the attitude and demeanor of the family are key–you can give direction while still appearing appreciative and thankful. I always hire help when we move. |
A good idea I inherited from the EQ President before me: A page of expectations that we have of the movee when they call on us for help. They include having made your own arrangements for transportation (you’d be surprised — I hope — at how many people expect that everyone with a pickup in the ward is going to show up to move them), boxing your own items, cleaning out your cupboards, arranging to have dollies or other special equipment on hand, etc. I don’t include it on the paper, but I always tell people that providing pizza for your movers is perfectly acceptable. |
Queuno – for those who are paid to move then have the ward do it, I would drop their beautiful piano and ding a few walls to help them understand they could hire someone… Rick – that is classic – you get what you pay for when the EQ moves you. You are correct that an appreciative spirit goes a long ways. TOTLN – that is a great idea. Pizza should be on the list, I have been to many moves where you get nothing, zilch, nada, one where the family was eating while we were there moving them. |
When did this business of having the church do the people moving start anyway. I was raised in a family where we did it the old fashioned way…packed it ourselves and hired a moving van. People will do anything to get something free from the church. It’s sickening. |
I live in a city where we have 5 military bases in our area. Its ridiculous how these people have no shame about abusing the EQ for moving. We all know the military is PAYING you thousands of dollars if your doing it yourself, or will do it at no cost to you if youre lazy… so wth?! I’ve moved 4 times since living here, and I’ve always taken a chunk of that do-it-yourself money and hired professional movers to help me with the heavy stuff (like couches), it’s pretty cheap and if I’m feeling super lame, I shell out an extra 100 $ for a service to do a move-out cleaning of my old place. It’s REALLY not that expensive. I’ve spent maybe 300 $ total for the cleaning/moving/uhaul for an intown move. It makes my blood boil when people (especially long inactives who are getting relocation assistance from an employer) act so entitled to free help with no appreciation. I also dont enjoy being used for babysitting for these people either. The military also will PAY for child care so that the wives have time to ‘run errands’ or ‘pack’. As far as scraping other people’s soap scum… why arent they embarrassed at how disgusting their place is?! I could never imagine expecting strangers to come by and bleach the streaks out of my toilet. Now- I’m not talking about a disabled widower… I mean, I’m more than willing to help someone who actually needs it… I’m talking about just 100 % lazy families who are a drain on ward resources. There is this one woman whose husband is deployed who is contantly complaining about the guy in EQ who does her yard work while he is away (for free, as a service)… and I mentioned how the military (for free) will have someone do this for dependents that are needing it..and she was like “well, why bother filling out any paperwork on base when I can just make a phone call to church?” |
Lucy and Icer – it is amazing to me the way people feel that the Church provides free service to them anytime they choose. Not unlike the grad students on welfare thing that was discussed her awhile ago. Amazing how we all love something for nothing…. |
that’s funny that you’d mention the grad school thing. right after commenting on this thread, i noticed that post in the sidebar. That’s also a huge problem around here. For those people who arent defense personnel, they are summer security system salesman who are in grad school for their MBA’s and are totally guilty of the getting whatever they can get.. from wherever.. church, family, government.. I try really, really hard not to judge and i know i should myob, but when they are blatantly double/triple dipping… and these same SAHM get annoyed when our RS dinner group cant go somewhere super upscale (so everyone can afford to attend)…? I start to get agitated and thinking pretty uncharitable thoughts. |
I participated in a move once where the single sister’s 300 lb adult brother was laying on a bedroom floor like a beached whale. Never bothered to help. We just walked around him as we cleared everything from the room moved it into the van. He never did get up. |
Lurk – You should have picked him up and put him in the van too :) |
Lurk, |
I’ve done the cats move. Except in our case, it was multiple animals: dogs, cats, rabbits and a snake. Also, the move involved loading a truck full of junk, then having the ward member decide that he needed a bigger truck, so unloading then returning the next day to load another truck. It was mighty disgusting. |
Some wards don’t allow moves any more because of all the abuse. When we moved once, my non-member husband did not want to ask the church and flatly refused to impose on people. However, someone from the EQ *insisted* (good opportunity to serve a non-member, I am guess) and passed a sign up sheet around. About 8 people signed up. That would have been plenty. I bought juice and fruit and donuts, everything was boxed and ready to go. On moving day, ONE dutiful man showed up with his pregnant wife and little boy. Despite the lack of help, we had to go ahead and move that day as we had rented a truck AND we needed to be out of our place. The man’s wife watched my toddler and her child and the two men and I did all the moving. I frankly was very embarassed. My husband didn’t want to use the church in the first place and then 7 of 8 did not show up. If we had hired a bunch of college students as DH had wanted to do in the first place, it would have been a much better situation. I think now he is a little less likely to trust people from church to come through when they say they are going to. Except in special cases of true need, like some mentioned above, I think wards should feel free to ban the practice of moving if they feel people are being abused. |
#13 icer – as you can see, the grad student thing drew a lot of ire from those participating in that. I have felt like you do and my uncharitable thoughts sometimes run over… BTD Greg – ok now I would have stopped at the change it all to a new truck. I would have walked away right then – well, probably not, but I would have wanted to. Polly – what – EQ members are flaky? I remember one move where my wife and I were the only ones who showed up. I called the EQ president right then and asked were he was – He said he did not really want to come. I was a bit pissed so called the Bishop and he dutifully came down out of guilt. I agree that when moving is abused it should be banned. |
Icer – by the way, I went to your blog. I love it – I was laughing at some of the posts and had to tell my wife your experience in RS. She can relate to that one… |
We make it a rule that when we ask for help with a move, we feed the people who come. If it is on an evening, we get pizza. If a Saturday morning move, we have donuts or breakfast burritos and juice. |
Having been recently on both ends of this stick, as well as several other times let me offer my two cents. Generally I think if you put your name down to help you better freaking show up. It makes very unhappy to have no one else show if I am helping someone and I expected 5 or so others to show up. Conversely I hate to take advantage of the EQMC. So what we generally have done, is ask for help when we need it, on moving day, with truck in hand, often RS Sisters have shown up to occasionally help pack of clean but usually we do not ask for that help. EQ however I try to only ask for 3-4 helpers and mostly to move the small amount of big stuff we have. Since my previous experience moving others I have decided appliance dollies are the way to go and I keep them handy. Now exact experience, during my last move, I had help from the EQ President, my brother-in-law and a friend of the family, it unfortunately dragged a bit as we were moving down to half the size place so we were making decisions on the fly as to what would fit and not fit. On our move in we initially did not have help but at the end about four EQ members showed up in time to move the bigger stuff, all done in an hour. Personally I would be affronted to see someone moving who had not packed until that day. And I have done the garbage bag method as well, it works on the day. We did however throw one bag out by accident later. Personally I would love to afford movers, even a UPak idea would be great. I hate packing, moving and all the rest so personally I am hoping to be done for a while. |
Anytime my husband and I see a household item (sofa, chair, pillow, etc.)on the side of the freeway we always say, “It looks like the Elders Quorum has been moving someone again.” |
I’m actually leaving my kitchen, bathroom, and computer desk till tomorrow so I can meet my visiting teachers and we can have a nice little tea party before they wrap up the china. I thought that would be fun. I wonder if Bill will share the same sense of fun when I make him leave the front room till tomorrow so I can socialize. One thing that moving always brings home to me is how marvelously, mysteriously, wonderfully stronger than I are men. Big strong muscle-y men! |
CS Eric – that is advice I like… Jon – Good points. Although I am sure using the EQ for big items is a bit risky unless you vet who comes to help. Mel – that is funny Anne – good luck on your move and on the tea party |
I don’t think the EQMC should get the bad rap it does. We do a much better job than some of the professional places. |
I helped a middle-aged widowed sister move while her teenage son played ball outside (he evenually helped a little), and her teenage daughter sat around and watched TV, ate, and talked on the phone while we moved her. She eventually packed _some_ of her own stuff. If I hadn’t liked and respected their mom so much, I would have walked out. And they were under a deadline too. |
Polly – My inactive/non-member husband has always refused to let ward members help us, too. On the other side, I refuse to let his family help (one destroyed dresser was enough “help” for our moving days). So we shell out some cash and get professionals. I direct the guys who show up and my husband tries to help them put things in the truck (though they usually prefer to do it themselves). I think the fastest we’ve moved across town was 2 hours! For me, the money is worth the speed of the movers and the knowledge that if they break anything, I’m covered. I don’t have to worry about dodging someone at church who dropped my DVD player. I’m not a huge “Mormon movie” fan but I have seen Singles Ward and LOVE the scene where the main character shows up to a full house, empty van, and another ward member with a walker. Too bad this is funny because it’s occasionally true… All in all, I don’t believe in getting the ward involved (for financial assistance, help moving, whatever) unless I’ve tapped out all my other resources. Icer – I’m with you on the problem around the Boston area with grad school students taking advantage of the system. I probably wouldn’t be as bothered if any of them stuck around to contribute to the local economy once they’ve graduated but they all take off to go back to Idaho or Utah and build lovely lives for themselves where they’re less likely to ever support other grad students as contributing members of society. Some of the money they’re taking is federally funded but some is state funded. Not to mention if they’d chosen someplace cheaper to attend grad school they might not need the assistance. I’d like to go back to school for my PhD but whenever I do that, we’ll be leaving Boston for someplace cheaper OR I will only accept a program where I can get my tuition covered by becoming a TA or RA. It might mean I can’t go to Harvard but if I can’t afford it, then that’s just too bad, right? |
Oops! Forgot to close my Italics on the previous post! I only meant to have that around Singles Ward… This thing needs a “preview post” button! :) |
Let me give a word of advice. Never let the EQ move your piano. Trust me. I have seen 2 pianos damaged. |
Here is my story of bitterness: I was EQP in Boston for 2 years and 1st councilor the year previous to that. I can’t count the number of moves that I did and often I brought pizza or doughnuts myself. I frequently took work off to help, and really worked to get as many guys out for moves as I could. When we moved out one dear brother came to help, and he was possibly one of about 10 people in the ward that I hadn’t moved into his current residence. I had to call movers in order to get the truck loaded in the allowed time. I’ll shamefully admit that I haven’t helped anyone move since then. |
DH Mike blew his knee out FOREVER (he needs a whole new bionic knee) on a sister who moved every few months. So they made him a HP. He became worthless for the EQ. |
Queuno – I think you get what you pay for! Bookslinger – that would have been very frustrating. PPP – I agree wholeheartedly… ARJ – I don’t blame you. |
Not only has my EQ moved pianos fine, we’ve moved pianos around tight staircases with half of it hanging over the edge. (We’ve also got two guys who were “professional” movers in college.) |
DH Mike blew his knee out FOREVER (he needs a whole new bionic knee) on a sister who moved every few months. So they made him a HP. He became worthless for the EQ. Don’t move to our ward, then. We make the HPs responsible for coordinating HP moves (that includes single sisters they home teach). We assume, though, that HPs moving into or from the ward have it covered by an employer. Although my anecdote about the idiot double-dipping on his relocation check was a HP in his early 30s. And so was his boss. I’ve said too much, I think. |
We also find that the full-time missionaries are great to help with moves. They almost always need service hours. Sisters can help pack and clean and elders are young and energetic. |
Maybe 10 years ago, a friend was moving a single woman in the ward. He had the strange urge, which he followed, to ask if she had packed a gun. She said she had, but not to worry about it, it wasn’t loaded. When he later set a box down at the new house, her .22 cal pistol went off and he still has the bullet in his leg today. |
cantinflas – “When he later set a box down at the new house, her .22 cal pistol went off and he still has the bullet in his leg today.” Is this true??? Sounds like an urban legend (not to mention a great reason not to help people move). |
It’s true, PfthePP. I can give you the victim’s phone number if you want to write a book or something. |
Thanks, cantinflas, no need for a phone number. :) It just sounds very amazing. Has this guy ever helped anyone move again? I’d say getting shot in the leg while serving is a pretty good excuse to never do it again! |
I’m getting sick of my husband running out at the last minute to help a woman move in one month and out two months later, especially when the move out is during a winter weather advisory of freezing rain and the woman lives on a hill. If my husband doesn’t wreck and kill himself and my son, they will probably break their legs on this woman’s hillside driveway. What is wrong with these freakin’ Mormon morons? |
Its fun to read everyones comments. I have a little energy about this area of service. Maybe I need to change but….. I’ve been an EQ pres and now I’m the youngest guy in in the HP in a great ward that is very large. The church is great here in Vegas but, this practice of moving people especially last minute needs to stop – except for the rare exception…. Our bishop requests that new move ins organize everything themselves. If they need help, they need to call members and friends themselves. But that dosent seem to stop some people. As for me, I’m not the type to ask the church to help. Its my move and my furniture to move. With the potential of liability and damage that happens it really can cause big problems. Its kind of crazy when you see people moving all the time. I’m going to make the prediction that this whole business of moving people in and out will end soon anyway. |
K – thanks for your input and story. it certainly can be rather messy. |