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Ann, I am a firm believer that you need to take care of your self before you can be any good to anyone ales. Of course people say “no you will find peace in doing all the things that you ward requires of you†that’s bunk! Doing all that the ward wants you to do, does not mean it is what you need to do. Saying no can keep you sane in our religion, even when some people think you can never say no to what you are asked to do by all of your leaders. My wife had to find that out for her self. She seriously wanted to go inactive because she thought she was a failure as a mother because she had no time to be one… IMHO |
Annegb, Congratulations on your peace of mind. I am genuinely happy that you have found peace and didn’t drink that beer. Unfortunately, everyone cannot be like you. In a church without a paid ministry, if none of us went to church, the Church would cease to exist. At church we make covenants, learn doctrine/policy/culture, and organize ourselves to serve others. Without church attendance, we have none of these. It’s a bit like me and football. I’m glad a lot of people like it enough to buy tickets, because I like to watch a game occasionally on TV. But if everyone was like me, there would be no football, since I don’t care enough about it to pay for a ticket. |
annegb, If it would make you feel any better if you want to technically be “active” you need to attend one full three hour block in the months of March, June, September, and December. Why? Because those are the months that actually get reported. So if you’re only going to attend four times a year, make them count! :) |
Coffee and not attending your meetings? It starts off like that and will only get worse. |
Annegb, tell me if I’m mistaken – but it seems like you are saying you would be attending church if you could(?). I read that your work schedule conflicts directly with the church schedule … I usually think of inactivity as a person’s conscious choice to avoid church when he/she is able to go. |
Annegb, I think you make a great point about the to-do list. Being a young married fella with 2 little ones, I don’t have the sort of freedom to not go to church. And being a type B personality, when I am there, I am not interested in displaying any form of activity. I kind of do church on my terms, meaning the terms that have provided me with spiritual experiences and fulfillment. |
My wife and I took 6 months off of church early in our marriage, it was great. If I didn’t have kids that love primary I’d consider doing it again. |
Well it sounds like you are doing inactivity just right, then. I can’t be inactive because the Church and its’ activities are my spiritual crutch right now–if I stopped attending, I wouldn’t be doing the right things on my own. But you seem to be taking a break while still doing the needful things. Enjoy. |
Anne, I have also been in wards where it was very difficult to be “active.” I chose to keep attending despite the situation. Sometimes I wonder if the better approach would have been to adopt your form of activity. At the same time, I agree with Adam about the functionality of the church given our lay organization. If you get KBYU, you can attend sacrament meeting by TV. But I don’t think the ordinance carries through the transmission. I’ve been out of touch this summer and didn’t know you left Bill. I’m sorry to hear that it came to that. I sincerely hope the result is good for you. |
I don’t know, Adam, I’d go for that kinder, gentler church where people don’t act and serve out of obligation, or get so exhausted, like Gar’s wife, that they feel like failures. Intellectually, I realize we need to help build the church, but I’m not sure this is the way to do it. Daniel, it’s true I would have attended Sacrament much more often if my work schedule hadn’t been so crazy (I work Sundays because those with young children need weekends off, and at first I was low man on that totem pole, now, not so much). But I’ve enjoyed the peace of not being active LOL. I didn’t intend it, it just happened, but it’s been rather nice. ESO, I was thinking along that line yesterday and wondering what I would do if excommunicated. There’s a feeling that excommunicated people go hog wild in serving the devil, but I was never that hog wild in the first place. I expect I’d keep doing what I’m doing now. (I was wondering if I’ll be called to repentance, that would be a big mistake on the part of my leaders). Thank you, Jota, it’s been a hell of a ride the last few years and I’m frankly still stunned at the turn of events the last six months. A dear friend, who I’ve avoided, came over last night and told me there are a lot of new people in our ward and I said, “Good, maybe they’ll leave me alone.” I truly “Vant to be alone” (Greta Garbo style). The thing that has struck me is recalling those on the bloggernacle who’ve shared similar stories of inactivity and realizing I’m not much different than when I was active, except I’m less stressed. When I was a young mother of four, I had three callings (including visiting teaching), got my kids up early for scriptures and prayers, ground the wheat that made our bread, canned tomatoes, and stretched that dollar in every way I could. I kept the house clean for my neatnick husband and never, ever shirked my responsibilities. I wonder I didn’t die from exhaustion. Of course, I was young then. I don’t feel that I’ve earned my rest now that I’m “old”—-I know in my heart I must continue to serve somehow. But I’m waiting and pondering and allowing myself the time and room to recover. It’s truly been a terrible time. I didn’t realize how terrible until I got away from it all. |
I appreciate the difficulties annegb is facing in getting to church, but I think “meeting together oft” is a fundamental part of being a member of God’s church. I’m not sure why that is, but I’ve lately been thinking that it’s because otherwise its easy to separate ourselves from the testimony and experience of others. Also, it think it makes it significantly easier to “mourn with those that mourn.” Plus there’s the sacrament. In this regard, it may be that God wants the focus to be more on the organic (i.e., what can I do to help the group) versus the individual (i.e., what’s best for me right now). I don’t know though. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, since my 9-month old can’t make it through all of the meetings very often and one of us takes him home in the second hour. |
Annegb: are you keeping the same job now that you’re back in Enoch? Where I live, lots of people have Sunday jobs and only come to church when they can. Once you build some kind of seniority, hopefully you could still make it at least once every 2 or 3 or 4 weeks. As far as the “Mormon to-do list” goes, I think you get to prioritize that yourself. I didn’t know canning and spotless-housekeeping were on the mandatory version of the to-list list. I thought mainly that sacrament meeting attendance, one calling, plus home/visiting teaching were the obligatory ones. And you could even get out of them under special circumstances like being a med student, or sick in bed, etc. You’re still a lot more active than what a lot of “fringe-active” members are here. Is that a Utah thing, where the stuff like going to home-making meetings (or HFPE now) and canning and grinding wheat is requirement to be considered active? |
I have definately been there Anne and I do wish you all the best. Their are times where both my wife and I in the past year have just gotten fed up, for different reasons, but one or the other prods the other along and we go. I find that doing the things that I am asked about at Temple Recommend time and making sure I watch those things are more important that the so-called to do lists. I dunno it certainly can leave you wondering at times. Whatever you decide, once work is not so Sunday, is right for you seems to make sense to me. |
Wow, Look at the arm twisting and attempts to guilt trip. When my wife quit going nobody cared for about 2 years then they all acted like they were going to burst open if they couldn’t see her right now. They used the same guilt laden rhetoric that Adam used. A few less active but still faithful and paying their tithing even if they only attend once in a while will not result in the collapse of the church it will result in fewer new buildings and fewer ward splits that will be required. May even improve the church by reducing the trama of constant ward splits. Good luck annegb this is interesting reading. |
Yes, I’m staying on the job. I’m adjusting my approach to the arts and crafts program (which has necessitated my Sunday hours for the most part) so that others can oversee it. I do want to attend church when I can. I guess the things you mention are a southern Utah thing, don’t know about northern. We seem to do a lot of judging based on church attendance and callings, forgoing substantive attempts at a Christ-like life. I’ve griped about it before and will continue to do so. I think Adam had good intentions, Jon, I didn’t take it as a guilt trip at all. I agree with him intellectually, but we are human, after all. I’ve laid the same guilt trip on people, tell the truth, I’m not sure I can define where that comes from. Concern, yes. Fear, maybe. I’ve just learned that it doesn’t make all that much difference. Assertions to the contrary come from the task oriented mindset of hard working saints who are wonderful, but overwhelmed, IMHO. |