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	<title>Comments on: How Same Sex Marriage Affects Traditional Marriage</title>
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		<title>By: B Tippetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Tippetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same sex marriage is a detriment to child rearing .  Every child when adopted should have a father and a mother that will provide adequate role modeling and child development.</description>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
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		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of quasi-spiritual theories out now that people are using to explain how the universe works and none of them include Jesus Christ.  I think many of them are so close to the truth that they will fool a great many people.  God is love, that is true, and we are (as I harp on again and again) called on to behave in a Christ-like manner toward all.  For me, the truth is that God created the world, and sent His son, and ordained prophets to speak for him.  Teachings and beliefs that lead us away from faith in these basic precepts are contrary to God&#039;s will.

All that high minded rigamarole aside, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as big deal as we think and God is truly in His heaven and all will be sorted out eventually.  If my neighbor chooses to marry a girl (she being a girl) it&#039;s not going to make much difference to my marriage. But it might make the kid across the street a little confused.  And it might influence his choices later, all the rhetoric about homosexuality being a matter of choice be damned.  

I&#039;m very confused about homosexuality and its origins and its destination, but I have to bring it all back to that basic belief in God, the gospel and in the atonement of  Jesus Christ, who asks us to love all men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of quasi-spiritual theories out now that people are using to explain how the universe works and none of them include Jesus Christ.  I think many of them are so close to the truth that they will fool a great many people.  God is love, that is true, and we are (as I harp on again and again) called on to behave in a Christ-like manner toward all.  For me, the truth is that God created the world, and sent His son, and ordained prophets to speak for him.  Teachings and beliefs that lead us away from faith in these basic precepts are contrary to God&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>All that high minded rigamarole aside, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as big deal as we think and God is truly in His heaven and all will be sorted out eventually.  If my neighbor chooses to marry a girl (she being a girl) it&#8217;s not going to make much difference to my marriage. But it might make the kid across the street a little confused.  And it might influence his choices later, all the rhetoric about homosexuality being a matter of choice be damned.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very confused about homosexuality and its origins and its destination, but I have to bring it all back to that basic belief in God, the gospel and in the atonement of  Jesus Christ, who asks us to love all men.</p>
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		<title>By: Daine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was tempted just to flame you as being simple-minded and absurd for quoting Steven Rhodes&#039;s mediocre work. Instead, I think it&#039;s better to just point out to you that you will lose this debate in the long run.

The future of this country, society, and even Mormonism belongs to people like me--those who reject notions that women are genetically disposed to doing dishes and that the &quot;traditional&quot; roles lead to greater happiness in the long run.

I don&#039;t care to missionary you, and your amazingly trite and shallow thoughts here are far from converting me, I just thought I&#039;d point out that your ilk--just as royalty, the Nazis, and Jim Crow laws were before--will eventually be purged from society.

The Christ I know and love, as well as the scriptures I know and read, testify that your thoughts are wrong-headed. Whether you accept that fact or not is irrelevant to me. Thank you for not using the word Christ in your post; he truly has nothing to do with your post and I appreciate you not using his name in vain (or associating it with your thoughts here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was tempted just to flame you as being simple-minded and absurd for quoting Steven Rhodes&#8217;s mediocre work. Instead, I think it&#8217;s better to just point out to you that you will lose this debate in the long run.</p>
<p>The future of this country, society, and even Mormonism belongs to people like me&#8211;those who reject notions that women are genetically disposed to doing dishes and that the &#8220;traditional&#8221; roles lead to greater happiness in the long run.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care to missionary you, and your amazingly trite and shallow thoughts here are far from converting me, I just thought I&#8217;d point out that your ilk&#8211;just as royalty, the Nazis, and Jim Crow laws were before&#8211;will eventually be purged from society.</p>
<p>The Christ I know and love, as well as the scriptures I know and read, testify that your thoughts are wrong-headed. Whether you accept that fact or not is irrelevant to me. Thank you for not using the word Christ in your post; he truly has nothing to do with your post and I appreciate you not using his name in vain (or associating it with your thoughts here).</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I am begging you to cease spreading false doctrine. 

The teachings you have preached &quot;women are better&quot; at housekeeping, etc., are simply contrary to the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 

Might I remind you of a man you might have heard about--Jesus. When Mary was &quot;learning at his feet&quot; (which, in Hebraic traditions, means to be the student or disciple of a teacher), Martha entered the room and complained that Mary was not helping her in the kitchen where she belonged. Jesus chided Martha and reminded her that we all have our ways of serving him. Thus &quot;roles&quot; are *not* fixed as roles--an idea to which you so dearly seem to be clinging. Roles are a set of attitudes and traditions (as you yourself pointed out) that simple-minded folks cling to when they don&#039;t have the imagination or strength to pursue life outside of &quot;roles.&quot; So, sure, for weak-minded people, roles are great. They give people something constant and predictable to cling to, and they help these people not fall into lives of complete degeneracy or nihilism. For those of us who do not need comfort and predictability, for those of us who can imagine our own lives as something greater than a set of traditions of men, a set of attitudes, etc., we can imagine serving the Savior in other and meaningful ways--ways outside of rote repetitions of the traditions of men. We can imagine ourselves in Mary&#039;s place. 

By the way, I&#039;ll hold my sex life up to any &quot;traditional&quot; marriage (that&#039;s right, I come from one of those &quot;androgynous marriages at which you sneer). So far I&#039;ve found few &quot;traditionalists&quot; who are willing to compare notes, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I am begging you to cease spreading false doctrine. </p>
<p>The teachings you have preached &#8220;women are better&#8221; at housekeeping, etc., are simply contrary to the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. </p>
<p>Might I remind you of a man you might have heard about&#8211;Jesus. When Mary was &#8220;learning at his feet&#8221; (which, in Hebraic traditions, means to be the student or disciple of a teacher), Martha entered the room and complained that Mary was not helping her in the kitchen where she belonged. Jesus chided Martha and reminded her that we all have our ways of serving him. Thus &#8220;roles&#8221; are *not* fixed as roles&#8211;an idea to which you so dearly seem to be clinging. Roles are a set of attitudes and traditions (as you yourself pointed out) that simple-minded folks cling to when they don&#8217;t have the imagination or strength to pursue life outside of &#8220;roles.&#8221; So, sure, for weak-minded people, roles are great. They give people something constant and predictable to cling to, and they help these people not fall into lives of complete degeneracy or nihilism. For those of us who do not need comfort and predictability, for those of us who can imagine our own lives as something greater than a set of traditions of men, a set of attitudes, etc., we can imagine serving the Savior in other and meaningful ways&#8211;ways outside of rote repetitions of the traditions of men. We can imagine ourselves in Mary&#8217;s place. </p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ll hold my sex life up to any &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage (that&#8217;s right, I come from one of those &#8220;androgynous marriages at which you sneer). So far I&#8217;ve found few &#8220;traditionalists&#8221; who are willing to compare notes, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn G.</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/10/14/how-same-sex-marriage-affects-traditional-marriage.htm/comment-page-3#comment-94148</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am further struck dumb by the illogical arguments presented by completely logical people who are intent on arguing illogical points. Some of the most intelligent and interesting people I know are devout enough to shame catholic saints, but even they will not spiel the complete nonsense that comprises this article. Men and women can&#039;t be equal in work with children in the house? 

With all the subtle jabs at reasons why homosexuality is indeed ruining marriage, oh so keenly disguised by the use of the phrase &quot;androgynous&quot; I would have reason enough to make these points on logic. Ladies and gentlemen, I am a bisexual male, who is currently in a relationship with a female. I promise you as I would promise her. If the future saw us in guardianship of a child, there would be no difference in the amount of care between us. 

I also happen to be pretty DARN good at housework. 

There are periods of time I RUN my house on my own. 

The whole basis of this argument is that gender roles keep society functioning cleanly and smoothly, no? 

If it’s so smooth, why was this article necessary?


I feel as if I&#039;ve sullied my own mind by reading this article, but I found solace in the comments, and I thank all below me for provocative reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am further struck dumb by the illogical arguments presented by completely logical people who are intent on arguing illogical points. Some of the most intelligent and interesting people I know are devout enough to shame catholic saints, but even they will not spiel the complete nonsense that comprises this article. Men and women can&#8217;t be equal in work with children in the house? </p>
<p>With all the subtle jabs at reasons why homosexuality is indeed ruining marriage, oh so keenly disguised by the use of the phrase &#8220;androgynous&#8221; I would have reason enough to make these points on logic. Ladies and gentlemen, I am a bisexual male, who is currently in a relationship with a female. I promise you as I would promise her. If the future saw us in guardianship of a child, there would be no difference in the amount of care between us. </p>
<p>I also happen to be pretty DARN good at housework. </p>
<p>There are periods of time I RUN my house on my own. </p>
<p>The whole basis of this argument is that gender roles keep society functioning cleanly and smoothly, no? </p>
<p>If it’s so smooth, why was this article necessary?</p>
<p>I feel as if I&#8217;ve sullied my own mind by reading this article, but I found solace in the comments, and I thank all below me for provocative reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Paroled from the Primary Presidency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paroled from the Primary Presidency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Surely the demand for a cable “all gay, all the time” channel exists; imagine the “Lifetime” channel, but oriented to gays and lesbians.&lt;/i&gt;

This channel already exists... It&#039;s called LOGOS and it&#039;s available on DirecTV. I was looking for a show about the church and found one on LOGOS about an LDS missionary though the premise was something other than what I was hoping for. Just use your imagination and I won&#039;t have to go into it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Surely the demand for a cable “all gay, all the time” channel exists; imagine the “Lifetime” channel, but oriented to gays and lesbians.</i></p>
<p>This channel already exists&#8230; It&#8217;s called LOGOS and it&#8217;s available on DirecTV. I was looking for a show about the church and found one on LOGOS about an LDS missionary though the premise was something other than what I was hoping for. Just use your imagination and I won&#8217;t have to go into it!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are a few ideas for last minute pro-Prop 8 ads:

Given that as the law currently stands, gays can be married, it shouldn&#039;t be too long before we start to see some old television standbys modified to include gay couples.

&quot;The Dating Game&quot; and &quot;The Newlywed Game&quot; would probably include a certain number of gay matchups or married couples per week, as would other dating/relationship shows if they were brought back and remade.

&quot;Wheel of Fortune&quot; would have the occasional &quot;gay couples&quot; week.

Surely the demand for a cable &quot;all gay, all the time&quot; channel exists; imagine the &quot;Lifetime&quot; channel, but oriented to gays and lesbians.

The power of the &quot;ick factor&quot; that could be brought into play here shouldn&#039;t be ignored.  I mean, they&#039;re certainly not implausible ideas and wouldn&#039;t have to be done in a cartoonish, condescending way, like some other anti-whatever or whoever campaign ads I&#039;ve heard on the radio or have seen on TV.  But it could just be put out there so as to creep everyone out.  I think it has the potential to put the Yes on 8 crowd over the top.

Karl Rove would probably go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are a few ideas for last minute pro-Prop 8 ads:</p>
<p>Given that as the law currently stands, gays can be married, it shouldn&#8217;t be too long before we start to see some old television standbys modified to include gay couples.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Dating Game&#8221; and &#8220;The Newlywed Game&#8221; would probably include a certain number of gay matchups or married couples per week, as would other dating/relationship shows if they were brought back and remade.</p>
<p>&#8220;Wheel of Fortune&#8221; would have the occasional &#8220;gay couples&#8221; week.</p>
<p>Surely the demand for a cable &#8220;all gay, all the time&#8221; channel exists; imagine the &#8220;Lifetime&#8221; channel, but oriented to gays and lesbians.</p>
<p>The power of the &#8220;ick factor&#8221; that could be brought into play here shouldn&#8217;t be ignored.  I mean, they&#8217;re certainly not implausible ideas and wouldn&#8217;t have to be done in a cartoonish, condescending way, like some other anti-whatever or whoever campaign ads I&#8217;ve heard on the radio or have seen on TV.  But it could just be put out there so as to creep everyone out.  I think it has the potential to put the Yes on 8 crowd over the top.</p>
<p>Karl Rove would probably go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Are you serious?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you serious?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are all &#039;refusing my point&#039;, which is that I am constantly right about everything all the time.  *sigh*...It does get a little tiring, but there must always be a repository for all wisdom and light in the universe, and that is me.  Sitting at my computer, telling you how to think and vote.  Thank your lucky stars I am here to steer you clear of apostasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are all &#8216;refusing my point&#8217;, which is that I am constantly right about everything all the time.  *sigh*&#8230;It does get a little tiring, but there must always be a repository for all wisdom and light in the universe, and that is me.  Sitting at my computer, telling you how to think and vote.  Thank your lucky stars I am here to steer you clear of apostasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Are you serious?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you serious?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look how smart I am with my words!  I will crush your every opinion and rebuttal with a killing stroke from my keyboard!  Have an opinion that is different than mine?  Fool!  I will dazzle you with vocabulary and case studies to show you just how wrong wrong wrong you are!  HA HA HA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look how smart I am with my words!  I will crush your every opinion and rebuttal with a killing stroke from my keyboard!  Have an opinion that is different than mine?  Fool!  I will dazzle you with vocabulary and case studies to show you just how wrong wrong wrong you are!  HA HA HA!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#105: Maybe where we talk passed each other,is you seem to be talking about a parent, and I am talking about all or most parents(?) But it is still a hard question. Even if we limit the &quot;test Group&quot; to Presidents of the United States, we see strong men come from weak and strong parenting.
  Both my children were strong headed. I did question at times my approach as a parent. Now, (to my amazement), my daughter looks to me for advise from buying a car to raising her 5 kids. My son had a lot of peers I was not happy about, (Think Good Will Hunting). I about fell over ten years later when we were in his backyard, and he stated to ask me about his Plum tree!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#105: Maybe where we talk passed each other,is you seem to be talking about a parent, and I am talking about all or most parents(?) But it is still a hard question. Even if we limit the &#8220;test Group&#8221; to Presidents of the United States, we see strong men come from weak and strong parenting.<br />
  Both my children were strong headed. I did question at times my approach as a parent. Now, (to my amazement), my daughter looks to me for advise from buying a car to raising her 5 kids. My son had a lot of peers I was not happy about, (Think Good Will Hunting). I about fell over ten years later when we were in his backyard, and he stated to ask me about his Plum tree!!</p>
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