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Many true points. The benefits of activity and participation are many, and it ought to be understood that God looks upon the heart as much as works. I think emphasizing activity is good because of the community that is built through Church members fasting, praying, worshiping, sharing families and life events together, etc. Those with “higher” callings are meant to be the greatest servants. Never let them forget it. |
One does need to learn to separate “the gospel” from “the ecclesiastical organization of the Church” from “the business of the Church” (the latter includes BYU and other Church-run entities that are not part of the ecclesiastical structure or core mission). Yes, you can worship the Savior without going to Church. But I find I miss the sacrament when I’m not able to attend. You don’t have to like the people. You can leave after sacrament meeting. But I think that something’s missing if you don’t at least avail yourself of that ordinance. |
It has always been interesting to me that some members put so much emphasis on who the “important” people are in a branch/ward/stake based on their callings. It’s not like you submit your resume and compete for such positions! Just recently a non-member (NM) was asking me about a member in my ward who I don’t know extremely well. This NM asked, “So has he ever reached a high calling like Bishop?” I got the feeling this man was competing with my fellow ward member. So I answered truthfully and said, “I don’t think he’s ever been a Bishop,” and before he could look too inflated over his competitor’s lack of status in our church added “but he’s currently serving on the Stake High Council.” This NM didn’t really understand what a calling actually means but seemed disapointed his rival had reached a calling of “importance” regardless of not ever being a Bishop. I have served in many callings throughout my membership in the church and each one has its good points and bad points. Typically when I have been released from a calling I feel relieved as well as a little sad to be moving on (seeing as they generally release you just when you feel like you’re getting the hang of the position). We also put a great deal of emphasis on family-which we should-but not on having the “perfect” family, just on making family a priority in our lives. My husband is a member of record but wants no part of the church. He is supportive of my attendance and even the attendance of our son. But we sit on our pew alone each Sunday. I could either feel sorry for myself and see my family as less than perfect because of this or I can continue serving the best I can and being a good example for my spouse. I don’t understand why people keep saying (on this blog) that they aren’t feeling the Spirit in our Sacrament meetings. I’ve found that how much emotion or spirituallity I feel during a Sacrament meeting (or even in the temple) depends very much upon how I approach the meeting. Just because we take care of a little “business” on Sundays does not rule out the ability to feel spiritual. Sustaining members in new callings and announcing the birth of a baby does not detract from the spirituality of a meeting for me. In fact, I feel more like a true member of my ward when I know what’s going on and who is serving in what calling. Now that my comment is as long as annegb’s post, I will stop all the blabbing and depart from my computer for a time. ;) |
Problem is that all leaders usually emphasize both sacrament and priesthood attendance. Elder Oaks recently gave a conference talk on this saying that we need to renew our covenants every week in sacrament. Its also a question in the temple recommend interview. But as with the previous comment, if we don’t feel anything in sacrament its usually due to us more than ‘sacrament’. We should always feel some spirit even if its only during the hymns or the prayers, although it does go up and down depending on the speakers, leaders etc. |
Great post.
I think it depends on where you are geographically and emotionally. In some wards, I have really felt the spirit. Others… not so much. It’s wonderful that you feel closer to God despite that everyone thinks you have fallen into that *oh so terrible* category of inactivity. I think there is some real harm in placing all of your spirituality in the category of “am i active” or not. We can often feel guilty or unworthy in a meeting for not feeling the spirit when everyone else is crying with joy… the spirit speaks to us all in different ways. For me, it is a more intellectual experience. If we have a great discussion in Relief society and sunday school, I feel edified. I wish i felt the spirit in a simpler way at times, but I guess that’s where I’m at right now. I often don’t feel that spirit in Sacrament meeting, unless it is with a Hymn. Sometimes I dont’ even realize I’ve felt the spirit until we are singing the last verse of the hymn and I get choked up. I love these experiences. They don’t happen every Sunday though. Sometimes I am hindered from feeling the spirit at church for my own reasons. Like you said above- Do we worship the family? I think we do. It’s hard to look at the other young couples and families who are so beautiful and together when I feel so inadequate. For me, its difficult to see couples who’s husbands have strong testimonies and serve a lot in the church, and who seem to have that “family” thing down. There’s not a lot of room for families like me who have had to do things differently. This feeling weasels itself into my Sunday experience, and, if unchecked, ruins my Sunday experience:-(. So, I would say it is partly your own feelings that keep you from feeling the spirit, and partly because sometimes meetings are just really poor (honestly, why do speakers confess that they didn’t write their talk until that morning? Why do bishops allow political speeches from the pulpit? the list could go on….). Also, if you don’t fit into the culture of the ward, it can really take its toll on your testimony. I like what nasamomdele said above:
I agree with this statement. Sadly its so easy to feel left out of that community if we are not active in the way everyone else is, if we don’t look/feel/believe the way everyone else does, and if our families are different. |
I think, for the most part that our meetings ARE blessed with a measure of the Spirit. The deeply fulfilling spiritual element is the reason I remain connected with the church. It does bother me that the curriculum, sermons and focus seems inordinately preoccupied with family rather than being firmly centered on Christ. I do not agree with the works-based emphasis because I believe it misdirects us from the transforming power of Christ. And, of course, I don’t agree with the church’s position on gays and lesbians. But one thing I do know, there is a deep wellspring of spiritual energy and fulfillment in the LDS church. At the same time, God does not withhold his love and spirit simply because we may err in doctrine, or may not happen to attend the “right” church. The important thing is to remain close to God regardless of where life may take you. |
I find it interesting that you said you felt like you were lying when you said you have a testimony, but then later you said that you felt closer to God now. Those things don’t seem to go together. I used to ask myself why we should participate in church. I dreamt of being a hermit in a cabin far, far away from any civilization and I wondered if I would need to trek in every Sunday. I talked to some people about it and came to some conclusions: 1. The scriptures tell us to gather together often. If I’m on the right track, I will be doing what is advised by the prophets and the scriptures. |
Do you think that only those with a deep and abiding testimony of the truthfulness of the church feel close to God? I felt like I was lying because she asked one question and I answered another. I think she was asking, “do you still think the church is true and are you still committed to living the gospel or are you inactive?” I answered, “yes, yes, and yes.” I felt like I was lying because I don’t think church attendance is paramount to having a testimony. Had I been truly honest, there would have been a “but” in my response. I agree with all your responses. I think I’m coming to the conclusion that church attendance and activity and spirituality are purely individual decisions. I’ve been pretty outspoken about the hypocrisy I’ve seen in those who are very active and yet lacking in humanity or compassion. I suppose I should be looking for moderation in all things, including vegging out. I suppose I’ll drag my sorry butt back to church. But I don’t feel less a member or less dedicated for not attending. All circumstances are different and there is a time to everything. I suppose this is my time to gather myself. |
annegb, I always love when you write something. You make many valid points here. Many people feel close to God without having the church. I’m always careful when I give my testimony to testify of the truthfulness of the Gospel. I have never stood up and said “I know this church is true”- I cannot. And yet, I am a faithful member of this church. I suppose we all parse it out in a way that works for us- and for me that means focusing where I feel the love. My husband and I were talking the other day about how there is so much focus on certain aspects of being LDS- For example: People tend to be aghast if a member were to have an iced tea, but completely gloss over the rest of DC89 which also tells us to eat meat in moderation, among other things. Is one part more important than another? I don’t know. I do know judging others only serves as a wedge to push a person farther from the true teachings of Christ. We could all do with a bit more compassion and a bit less self-righteousness. You keep right on gathering yourself and keep yourself close to God. If you do that, you’ll know what is right for you. |
Do you think that only those with a deep and abiding testimony of the truthfulness of the church feel close to God? No. I think HF will not deny any of His children a relationship with Him if we are desirous to have one. However, I do believe there are consequences for knowing the truth and then turning away from it. I have a good friend who was my escort through the temple and with whom I spent many, many hours in the temple doing work for our ancestors. She has been “inactive” for almost 3 years due to several choices in her life and is definitely more confused and feels further away from God because of her choices (not attending church is just one of those choices). I think regular attendance at church can remind us what things we need to be working on in our own lives to grow and improve. It’s not the only place you can have a spiritual experience (Joseph Smith and the grove comes to mind) but it is a place where we can find fellowship and start the introspective process we all need to mature spiritually. I think I’m coming to the conclusion that church attendance and activity and spirituality are purely individual decisions. Church attendance does not equal spirituality. I’ve known plenty of hypocrites myself (in fact, I was one for a while before choosing my own path of inactivity for a while) who were excellent church attenders. In some ways, *just* attending church is easier than working on any of the other virtues we’ve been commanded to obtain. My husband claims the peer-pressure of church attendance is spiritually detrimental to his own development. I say he’s full of crap. I think he’s afraid of coming to a knowledge of truth and then feeling beholden to that knowledge. So continue searching and I’m sure you’ll find part of what you’re looking for. But be prepared for the HG (or what I call the not-so-still-small voice) to drive you back to church sometime. He did it to me and I almost went crazy before I showed up at the Bishop’s office telling him I wasn’t very happy about being there but apparently I needed to change my life. It’s a process and we’re all in different states of that process. |
“But be prepared for the HG (or what I call the not-so-still-small voice) to drive you back to church sometime. He did it to me and I almost went crazy before I showed up at the Bishop’s office telling him I wasn’t very happy about being there but apparently I needed to change my life.” Oh man, the Holy Ghost sent you to the bishop? He did that to me too. Several times. |
I was happily inactive and enjoying my Sundays at home when I started being pestered. I couldn’t drive to work or listen to music without little “promptings.” The argument started out something like this: HG: Go to the temple. Seven years later, I’m a fully active, card-carrying, endowed member with a testimony and a rebelious streak. But, I’m happy and without my faith would probably be a divorced single mom right now and more miserable than ever. But that’s a much, much longer story! |
annegb, I appreciate the spirit of your post. And while church attendance is an important part of my own relationship with God, I can think of a lot of other things that are more important. In general, I’m troubled by the amount of instruction we’re expected to participate in – leaving very little time to actually follow through on it. Like attending a Stake priesthood meeting on Sunday evening about honoring your priesthood while your family sits at home – without you. In my experience, fellowship is important – but overrated. At the end of the day, people associate with their friends. Church doesn’t seem to do much to brake people out of the same kind of cliques they’ve had since high school. |
Church doesn’t seem to do much to brake people out of the same kind of cliques they’ve had since high school. Inspired leaders have ways around that. |
My sister in law and her husband are separated and I was talking to my niece. We were chatting about this and that, and they were started talking about how she was feeling. (She is 16)we started talking about her relationship with Heavenly Father and she mentioned how she was struggling with the church right now. You know what I said? That’s okay, it isn’t about the church. It’s your relationship with Heavenly Father that matters right now. We all have ups and we all have downs. The important part is to remember to always keep in contact with Heavenly Father and we will be okay. As a side note, I would like to add that I do feel it is important to partake of the Sacrament every Sunday, and to renew our covenants… but somehow, somewhere in my heart, I know that Heavenly Father is in charge and he will be the judge of what we can and can’t do. |
#12 Paroled! That conversation reminded me of Elder Causse’s talk in GC, how God adapts the message to our abilities to understand Him. Sassy promtings! I talked to my Dad a few weeks ago about the whole “why isn’t church very uplifting” and he said the same thing…what am I preparing to experience? He suggested that the Sacrament is for our personal beneift, and the rest is for fellowship and to become One. Something for me to think about. |
paroled, You have said a lot here and while I do not disagree in theory you indicated that the Bishop was just another calling and not a higher calling. They are treated very different by most church members. Look around and see how someone who has not been a Bishop is treated compared to one that has. Most priesthood leadership positions and RS leadership positions get a lot more respect then anything in the SS or primary. Church activity I do not think is always because people enjoy it or get anything out of it spiritually. I know so many that quit after they no longer felt in the loop. Usually after their kids all leave or ward boundaries change. Activity at church I believe is more about social interations than the talks or lessons. Otherwise we could have church on the radio or tv. |
#9, Tracy, thank you, it’s always nice to hear from an old friend. I find I need understanding from my friends as I gather myself. Coming from the other side, I realize how insensitive I’ve been all these years to the less active. I am close to the Lord, I’ve had to rely on Him in a way I’ve never had to before, or never chose to, is probably a better word. #10, Paroled, Well, I don’t think I’ll need to visit the bishop when I decide to attend again. At the moment, I don’t feel like socializing at all and I like solitude the best. But I suspect one day I’ll just start going again. I enjoy your posts, by the way, I’m glad you found blogging. You’re an asset :). #13, CJ, I agree…and I disagree with #14. They can mix it up, but people stick with people they feel comfortable around. I’ve always tried to reach out to anybody, but now that’s part of my problem. I think I got people sick as much as sick of my husband. #15, Sunshine, can I tell people we’re buddies in real life??? Oops, just did LOL. You guys, she’s sunshine in person as well. I loved your last sentence. I suspect that there are many active members, of our ward, who haven’t felt close to God in years. #16, I’ve heard that a lot and I always feel a little twinge of resentment. Listen close in sacrament the next few weeks and see how often you hear about tasks as opposed to Christ. We’re too task oriented and that shines through our sacrament talks. When Paroled talks about taking the sacrament, that’s the spiritual part of the meeting and we can focus on the songs and the prayers, but in between, I find myself distracted by all the things I should be doing or the things others are feeling overwhelmed about or proud of. Ego is huge in Mormonism and one has to work to overcome that in order to find the spiritual part of the meeting. I don’t think that’s how God intended it to be. #17, I agree totally. |
Jack Ryan – Thanks! “Sassy” is a good way to describe a lot of my experiences with the HG. Of course, I’m a bit of a pistol myself so I suppose He’s figured out how to get my attention. At least He doesn’t mind arguing with me a bit. :) Harold – “Activity at church I believe is more about social interactions than the talks or lessons. Otherwise we could have church on the radio or tv.” I would agree a lot of people attend church for the social interactions but since we’ve been commanded to fellowship and gather together “often,” I don’t think church on the TV or radio would quite fit the commandment we’ve been given. Sometimes, as annegb has pointed out, the thing keeping us from church is the people. I think it goes both ways though; some attend because of the people and some attend in spite of the people. I’ve never been one in the first category (I’m not a big “joiner”) but I’ve definitely been in the second! Look around and see how someone who has not been a Bishop is treated compared to one that has. I don’t disagree that those with callings perceived as more important by others are often treated as though they are more important, I just disagree with it. My father has never held a position “higher” than that of Ward Clerk (which he held for almost 10 years!) but I consider him to be one of the kindest, purest men I know and through my entire life – even my rebellious teens and early 20s – I have never heard the man cuss or lie. Now I know there’s probably an element of bias here but is he any less important because he’s never served as Bishop or on the High Council? I just think he’s humble and teachable and probably doesn’t *need* a calling to help him become more so. I continue to maintain that those of us called to “higher” callings probably have more to learn than those serving faithfully in the nursery. This is also the reason I hope I never get called to be RS President again but I probably will get something challenging as I guess I have lots more to learn and a lot more humility to gain! annegb – Thank you for your greetings! I’ve been enjoying my time on MM! You said, “I find myself distracted by all the things I should be doing…” and I know how you feel. With a toddler on my lap I often struggle to hear and feel the messages given in sacrament meeting. And while I agree that “that’s [not] how God intended it to be,” I do believe he intends to have us teach one another. I struggle with the egos of others and I’m sure others struggle with my ego as well. But I also believe we have something to learn from every person we come in contact with in this life and that in church we have the added benefit of being in a place sanctioned for spiritual development and can learn from others if we want to. Don’t get me wrong… I’m SUPER judgmental so this is tough for me. And praying for more charity just got me a really challenging visiting teaching list but I think it’s possible if we’re open to. I think I will now retire from my soap box for a while! ;) |