Comments on: Codifying the Commandments http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:55:06 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: queuno http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95527 queuno Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:43:08 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95527 <i>:). Massachussetts sucks…</i> Is that why it's always so windy in Rhode Island? :) . Massachussetts sucks…

Is that why it’s always so windy in Rhode Island?

]]> By: John Marshall http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95456 John Marshall Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:38:02 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95456 Tagor, forgive the lateness of this reply. I have been furiously attempting to come up with an argument to rebut yours. I never thought that anyone could be so clever as to use the 14th Amendment. Alas, I have found no line of reasoning that can counter the all powerful penumbra doctrine. I guess you win this one. annegb, them’s fighten’ words! Orwell, nice observation. I would think any demeaning comment for a believer, would be seen as contumelious. If you ever find yourself indicted for this crime pick your jury carefully. ed42, interesting point. The answer, I would think, is that society is the victim. The legislature believes that imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or a fine of not more than three hundred dollars makes society whole. I'm guessing you disagree. Also, as Orwell points out, restitution may take many forms. Do you have a better idea? nasamomdel, in my mind almost all laws are designed to create, or if you like induce, good behavior. Remember, we elect a government to make and enforce laws. Why do we do this? Well, to borrow from James Madison, “If men were angels, no government, would be necessary.” The Federalist No. 51. Tagor, forgive the lateness of this reply. I have been furiously attempting to come up with an argument to rebut yours. I never thought that anyone could be so clever as to use the 14th Amendment. Alas, I have found no line of reasoning that can counter the all powerful penumbra doctrine. I guess you win this one.

annegb, them’s fighten’ words!

Orwell, nice observation. I would think any demeaning comment for a believer, would be seen as contumelious. If you ever find yourself indicted for this crime pick your jury carefully.

ed42, interesting point. The answer, I would think, is that society is the victim. The legislature believes that imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or a fine of not more than three hundred dollars makes society whole. I’m guessing you disagree. Also, as Orwell points out, restitution may take many forms. Do you have a better idea?

nasamomdel, in my mind almost all laws are designed to create, or if you like induce, good behavior. Remember, we elect a government to make and enforce laws. Why do we do this? Well, to borrow from James Madison, “If men were angels, no government, would be necessary.” The Federalist No. 51.

]]> By: Mark N. http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95408 Mark N. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:29:39 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95408 <i>I’ll bet you knew that already.</i> Nope, just a lucky (but consistent with what we were already being told) guess. I’ll bet you knew that already.

Nope, just a lucky (but consistent with what we were already being told) guess.

]]> By: sam http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95390 sam Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:02:40 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95390 nasa - apparently it's been a sad day for 300 years...no, scratch that. Since the times of Adam :) nasa – apparently it’s been a sad day for 300 years…no, scratch that. Since the times of Adam :)

]]> By: nasamomdele http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95366 nasamomdele Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:28:53 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95366 It is a sad day when we are punitively "bound to good behavior". It is a sad day when we are punitively “bound to good behavior”.

]]> By: Orwell http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95359 Orwell Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:44:55 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95359 Can we quantify restitution in terms of Hail Marys? Can we quantify restitution in terms of Hail Marys?

]]> By: ed42 http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95358 ed42 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:38:36 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95358 IMO Every "law" is a bad law unless it codifies appropriate restitution to the victim (or heirs). Is there a victim? What is required from the criminal to make the victim whole? IMO Every “law” is a bad law unless it codifies appropriate restitution to the victim (or heirs).

Is there a victim? What is required from the criminal to make the victim whole?

]]> By: Orwell http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95351 Orwell Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:56:11 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95351 Obviously the major barrier for enforcement here is proving contumeliousity... people skirt the law all the time with blasphemy that is merely pejorative or exceptionable. Obviously the major barrier for enforcement here is proving contumeliousity… people skirt the law all the time with blasphemy that is merely pejorative or exceptionable.

]]> By: annegb http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95336 annegb Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:19:37 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95336 :). Massachussetts sucks... :) . Massachussetts sucks…

]]> By: Tagore http://www.mormonmentality.org/2008/11/17/codifying-the-commandments.htm/comment-page-1#comment-95333 Tagore Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:24:05 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1032#comment-95333 Not so fast here, Chief. Whether the blasphemy law is constitutional depends on whether blaspheming is a fundamental right. Given Supreme Court jurisprudence over the past several decades (DKL's Jesus syllogism notwithstanding) I may have a fundamental right to blaspheme, making this law decidedly unconsitutional. You overlook the non-Originalism scope of the 14th Amendment to your peril! Not so fast here, Chief. Whether the blasphemy law is constitutional depends on whether blaspheming is a fundamental right. Given Supreme Court jurisprudence over the past several decades (DKL’s Jesus syllogism notwithstanding) I may have a fundamental right to blaspheme, making this law decidedly unconsitutional. You overlook the non-Originalism scope of the 14th Amendment to your peril!

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