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I don’t often watch Saturday Night Live, but it was on last night, and the fake Bill Clinton was on talking about how great it would be to be appointed Husband to the Secretary of State. And how it would be great for the country to have the Husband of the Secretary of State available to travel to countries… Kind of funny. And if you’re worried about Hillary’s health plan, do you think Daschle will do any better? |
Personally, I would like to see national health coverage for all Americans. But this is something American need to make happen (If they want it), and not Hilary. We have great medicine, but a poor medical system. At some point, it will be universal. I don’t see it as “socialism”. Doctors today don’t work for Medicare. I say put everyone on Medicare and send them the bill. |
We definitely have some great medicine here. But we’re big on fixing problems once they get emergency-room-size, and real lousy at prevention. And health insurance companies are about as evil as it gets. And many working people are without health insurance because their employers don’t offer it to them and they can’t buy it because health insurance companies don’t take anyone with any pre-existing condition. |
I was sort of hoping Hilary would get Health and Human Services. It wouldn’t give her any kind of dictatorial power over health coverage; i.e., Obama’s plan would still be the one pushed forward. And it would put her over the NIH, which I think would have been wonderful. |
The United States has the best quality health care that nobody can afford. I’ll take standing in a line and dealing with a rude government-employee receptionist over having my insurance claims denied any day. |
Seth, I get lots of health care in the US and I’m not especially rich. You can’t afford to see a doctor here? Really? I’ve fought a big insurance company to have them cover a treatment that was critical for my son, so I know what it is like to have a claim denied, but if you think government health care will be able to give everyone every proceedure they want, I just don’t see how that is possible. |
I guess one upside of HRC as SoS is her experience with sniper fire while landing. Oh wait, she admitted lying or at least “misspeaking” about that one. I would worry much more about ecoterrorist Waxman’s appointment. |
I’m really delighted with the choice of Hilary for Secretary of State. I think she’s smart, will work hard, and will be very respected abroad. I worry a bit about Bill, but hopefully they can find something productive for him to do. As far as health care goes, I’m also really hoping for some kind of plan similar to Hilary’s. My husband’s starting a business, bad economy and all, and trying to get health insurance for a person with asthma and type two diabetes, as he does, on your own is very hard, and expensive. |
Jacob, Glad you were successful. I meet people all the time who weren’t. Absolute horror stories. I do however, tend to agree with the views of an ex-Colorado governor I heard on the radio once who felt that if government health care is going to work, we’re simply going to have to learn to prioritize some things and turn away some health requests. His example was that a 60 year old retired person with a bad elbow that could be repaired by surgery ought to take a back seat to child health care, or an infant in the intensive care unit – even if it meant that his elbow was never repaired, because, frankly his ability to play tennis for the next 10 years is of less societal concern than other needs. I doubt such a view is going to play well with the AARP though. Darn baby-boomers… |
Queuno: I know nothing about Daschle’s plan. I only remember that there was a lot of chaos surrounding Hilary’s plan and I don’t trust her not to take a cut off the top of any plan she comes up with. Bob: I love Lieberman now. It’s not our medical system or our medicine. I believe it comes down to the matter of class and inequity. The rich have enough to pay for their medical needs and the poor get anything they need or want because they’re poor. Me and Bill are paying through the nose for insurance and still have to be very careful. From first hand experience, I know Canada’s health care system sucks. I don’t care how much they don’t have to pay, they’re not paying for what they’re not getting, including clean hospitals. My mother gets all the medical attention she needs because she’s indigent She would have died years ago without all that good medical care, she almost died a couple of weeks ago, but she got good care and now she’s bouncing around the rest home running her cart into the old people who annoy her. It was quite frankly amazing. I’d like to see a happy medium between Canada free’s medical care and cheap prescriptions (hell, THAT has to be revamped, the rich medicine companies!) and our excellence and cleanliness. I can’t say enough about the dirty hospital in Victoria, BC, where Bill got stuck in the hallway with other very sick patients. Garbage and dirty laundry all over and a doctor who wouldn’t see anyone because he was getting off in ten minutes. Education is a good place for Colin Powell. Back to health, we pay $790 for my health insurance, a month! We couldn’t even get on any AARP plan because of my health issues and so we’re stuck. Which is why I’m now working answering phones for AT&T. In six months, we’ll only be paying about $200. Woo-hoo, we’re rich! What does any of you really smart guys think of Romney’s health plan in Massachussetts? You know, that guy would have made a good president, all my earlier comments aside, I’m looking at everything now and thinking, “boy, you guys are going to regret not putting him in.” |
Voluntarily hanging Bill Clinton and any future shenanigans around your administration’s neck? Hilarity will ensue… |
I do not believe that the government can successfully manage health care. They have neither the brains, nor the will to make it successful. The government has a hard time managing money (simple math). I certainly do not trust them with my health (complicated biology). Also, with out of control spending on bailing out every company and their dog, promised tax cuts for the middle-class, and extremely costly wars, where will the money come from in the foreseeable future (5-10 years) to implement social medicine? |
#9: “If government health care is going to work, we’re simply going to have to learn to prioritize some things and turn away some health requests.”. I agree. I believe 50% of our medical dollars, are spent on the last 60 days of peoples lives(?) We all want to keep living, but is this the mix we really want in our medical system? |
Why Obama has chosen Clinton, Hilary and all of his acolytes to join his administration is beyond me. At the rate he is going Monica may have to come back to intern again, just for old times sake. |
I’m not sure Powell will be involved, he seems pretty content in his retirement.
Take a cut off the top? What? Are you kidding? |
# 12 Sam, I think you’re right. One reason I don’t think there ought to be a federal health care system is the diversity of needs throughout the population. I think the only way to provide welfare for whole population is to provide welfare at the smallest possible level without being inefficient. States should manage health care according to the needs of their populations. A Federal system ought to be the lowest common denominator, meant to provide basic health care and/or grants and funding for specific health cases or priorities. Health Care ought to remain private and there ought to be incentive to provide premium health care, though at reasonable prices. And there ought to be money available from a government fund to provide funding for certain cases that something like Medicaid does not cover. I love to tell the story of walking into a European hospital to get an HIV test for renewing my VISA on my mission and seeing a pool of blood in the room and on the blood-drawing table. They told me to sit and lay my arm on the table and I asked them to clean it off first. Interesting. And don’t get me started on my aqauintence in Canada who needed a biopsy for a cancer screening. Could have been dead in the time it took to get it. The Clintons are 100% untrustworthy, but talented. Lieberman is a stud. He’s shown more integrity that many politiicans out there. Personally, I’m a little disheartened by some of Obama’s picks. I was really hoping for change. My wife recorded an Oprah episode that was taped the day after the election- Oprah and Brad Pitt were applauding “waking up to a new world”. I’m feeling like it’s 1992 all over again. |
No, j. I am not kidding. And I can’t believe you think I am. I think we should let some people die. I can’t see a “heroic battle with cancer” in one’s 70′s. I can see a “hook me up to the morphine pump, bring on the marijuana and let me die tripping and in no pain.” |
I am now insured with Kaiser in CA. I pay them XX$$s for my coverage. When I turn 65, Uncle Sam will take over the payment to them under Medicare. What’s wrong with that? |
I was sort of hoping Hilary would get Health and Human Services. Too low-profile. In 2 years, she could have challenged Reid for Senate Majority Leader and won. The only way to get her out of the Senate was the State Department. |
I know nothing about Daschle’s plan. I only remember that there was a lot of chaos surrounding Hilary’s plan and I don’t trust her not to take a cut off the top of any plan she comes up with. So you’re willing to go with a plan you don’t know over a plan you didn’t like? What if Daschle’s plan is worse? Will you then write a post saying, “Come back Hillary, all is forgiven?” |
I think Hillary lacks the gravitas needed for Sec of State. |
queuno, 19: you’re probably right. I was just hoping that the chance of playing (or at least appearing to play) a key role in big, new, long-term health care plan that is on the mind of Americans would hold a high enough profile. |
I think we should let some people die. I can’t see a “heroic battle with cancer†in one’s 70’s. I can see a “hook me up to the morphine pump, bring on the marijuana and let me die tripping and in no pain.†The problem is who gets to decide “should”. The patient or the bureaucrat? The last few years have been the greatest years that I’ve had in the relationship with my father. But there’s probably very little street value to keeping him alive. Every day he moans about his health problems, and he’s getting progressively worse. But I can’t fathom letting someone decide that it’s not worth the money for another expensive procedure to keep him alive. |
Bookslinger – I don’t hold a campaign against anyone. How many men in pressed white shirts have looked ridiculous throwing a football? |
#20: Hillary’s medical plan was DOA as soon as she tried to do it behind closed doors. I think that’s all anyone remembers about it. #21: I don’t know if Hillary lacks gravitas. I do think she may be too polarizing both inside and outside the country. I hope Obama is looking for ‘teams’, not ‘players’ to cover his butt. Let’s hope. |
#23: The problem with a “Right to die”, once you get it, it becomes a “Duty to die”. |
His example was that a 60 year old retired person with a bad elbow that could be repaired by surgery ought to take a back seat to child health care, or an infant in the intensive care unit – even if it meant that his elbow was never repaired, because, frankly his ability to play tennis for the next 10 years is of less societal concern than other needs. I guarantee, any plan with that perspective will be DOA. As it should be. |
Seth (#9) if government health care is going to work, we’re simply going to have to learn to prioritize some things and turn away some health requests. Aren’t these denials of health requests exactly like the denied insurance claims you were citing as the reason to go to government run health care? Except, under the government run system you can’t have it even if you can pay for it yourself. |
#27: I disagree. This perspective is not DOA. It is more likely the future, and should be. Health care needs should be available to everyone, at the lowest possible price. I would rather have my needs covered at half my current rate, and use the money saved to decide if I really wanted my tennis elbow fixed at my own expense. |
don’t neglect the fact that a nationalized health care system is much less lucrative for doctors, which will lead prospective medical-school applicants to seek their fortune (literally) elsewhere. I know, I know, doctors aren’t all about the money. Riiiight. |
#30: Where are they going to, to make this fortune? I get good care a Kaiser (CA). I don’t think any of the doctors there are making a fortune. |
Queuno, thanks for your perspective. I think because I’m so ready to go, I’m a bit insensitive about those who are not. I do wonder about heroic measures taken to cure the very aged and wonder if sometimes we prolong a person’s suffering as we prolong their lives. Medicine goes too far in that, I believe, at expense to everyone. Perhaps sometime I’ll see it from a different perspective. Anybody have an opinion on that Lyle Lovett look-a-like just picked for Obama’s team? |