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When he announced the 11:30 proposal, he said lots of people agreed, but I was never surveyed, so I don’t know which “lots†he means. That means he surveyed the ward council, and no one else. |
My wife likes 11-2. I actually like 9-12. |
Out of the traditional times, I definitely like 9-12. The first year we were married, DH and I went at 8am, and it was wonderful! We were home by 11, just in time, he said, for all of the NFL games to begin. We’re moving to 11-2. And I concur that the time is horrendous for both lunch and naps with little kids. I think it’s going to be the death of my 2yo’s nap, unfortunately. I also love my Sunday afternoon “nap” which will probably fall by the wayside once we’re not getting home until the afternoon is halfway over. Blah. |
That’s so insensetive. There’s 3 categories of people who don’t have kids. Empty Nesters, those who haven’t started their family yet, and those who desperately want to have kids but can’t. |
I never cared for the 3-hour block. Sunday school teachers have to rush the lesson so you never have the quality discussions that could be otherwise. |
My favorite time for church has always been the 9:00 to noon slot. This was my favorite time growing up, before kids, and now (with kids). I just think it’s nice to get up, head out, have a nice church experience and then have the rest of the day with your family (whoever they may be). I’m big into naps for both myself and my son so this time period works great. Aren’t Sundays supposed to be a day of rest? :) When our ward initially split recently and created a branch, we moved from a 10AM start time to a 9AM start time due to the fact that we were sharing our building for the first time. I was hoping we would keep the 9AM start time even once the branch found another place to meet (our building was too far for many of the members) but, back to 10AM we went. Having grown up out west where there is rarely a single ward to any building, I can appreciate having to change times and not being too excited about it. At our worst, my home stake had 3 wards and a Spanish-speaking branch meeting in one building! The first ward met at 8AM, the second at 10AM, the third at 12PM, and the branch met at 2PM. Talk about challenging! Eventually they built another building and moved us around but until I moved to New England, I never met in a building with less than two wards meeting in that particular building every Sunday. It makes me laugh when our current ward squabbles over building usage. When we had 3 separate youth programs meeting in our stake center we just made did and made friends. Good luck with brunch (the inevitable with an 11:30 meeting time) and naps, ESO. You’ll be in my thoughts! |
I hate 11-2 (or anything close to that). I really did like the year we went from 8-11, but most of the ward didn’t. 3-6 wasn’t that much fun with little children, although the families with teenagers loved it. 9-12 is unquestionably my favorite of all the common start times. This year we’ll be going 1-4 after surviving 11-2. After reading the schedule Bruce likes, I’m thinking that 11-2 isn’t so very bad. And I doubt the sitting on the stand idea will work very well, partly for the reasons Ron mentions. When we homechurched we seemed to start around 10 and end before 11. I couldn’t complain about that. |
queuno #1–that could be it, or it could have been “lots” of people to whom he is married. I really love their family and really admire his wife who sits alone through meetings with 4 little boys. Shelah–we’ll struggle together Ron–you know, I think the idea was introduced a little more tactfully like “we would appreciate if the people who will not have to get up and leave during Sacrament Meeting ever will sit on the stand and let the more disruptive members sit in the pews” and in my mind, I interpreted that as “people with no kids.” To be fair, no one seems to be enforcing the seating arrangements (we have been experimenting with no overflow for 2 months) and I have seen people with older kids up on the stand. Also–we have a trilingual ward, so two groups who require interpretation services fill about 1/3rd of the Chapel floor already. I think that added to the urgency of needing to recruit people to be on the stand. Bruce–enjoy Paroled–I am planning on corn dogs for brunch–how gross is that? I have been caught unawares after a few weeks of frolicking. Better nutrition next week…. Amira–homechurch–I remember it fondly…. It is interesting to hear about people’s preferences. Thanks for reminding me that I should feel lucky to have a building and to only have one other ward with which to negotiate. |
I like the 10-11 AM schedule 8-) |
The 3-hr block seems to almost reduce church to something that you only do on Sundays…..my 2 cents. I would say it’s been crucial to the growth of the Church. No way you could have as many units as we do (which I believe contributes directly to the growth of the Church, having smaller units) without a standardized block. |
ESO, since I used to meet in your building I know what you’re up against: a building with far too few rooms to be a stake center. (They really need to move the stake offices out of there to free up some space!) When we first started having kids and met 2-5PM (in Utah), I used to joke with my wife that the church wasn’t true after noon. Still, if I had to choose I would take 11-2 over 2-5 simply because 2-5 leaves no time for making a really good dinner. P.S. This sitting on the stand business is going to be a nightmare when the choir performs or the Primary presents. Musical chairs, anyone? |
I have never lived in a part of the Church that had its own building. We’ve always shared with another ward (even in NE Ohio in the 70s) and had a 9am ward. |
Bruce in Montana: We attend with our Fundamentalist friends I assume that is because you belong to their church right? If not, based on your comments ’round the ‘nacle you would be a great fit for a fundie church I’d say. |
for those of us with pre-church meeitngs, 1`pm is the Only True Time (and 11 isn’t bad either, but 9 (really, 7) is murder |
We’re starting a new 11am-2pm meeting schedule today. I think I’ll be fine with that – but I think it’s fairly ‘normal’ to have a 9am-12pm schedule. That’s the church schedule I have most experienced, so I’m used to it and don’t have too many complaints. |
I really like 11:15. Then you can still sleep in a little and have a relaxed breakfast but still have an afternoon nap. Wow, it’s sad how much that opinion just centered around sleep. Anyway, there are two wards in the city where I live. One meets at 9 with sacrament meeting last and the other at 9:30 with sacrament meeting first, in the same building. It can get a little bit crazy, but it’s fun. :) |
Where’s annegb? Last we saw her, she liked the 11:00am slot, and didn’t go to church when it was at 9:00am. But with that logic, she should have at least gone to the 3rd hour when her church started at 9am. Annegb: come back. You make the rest of us look more normal. |
Our chapel is in the same building as the Manhattan temple. Manhattan gets a lot of LDS visitors each weekend and it dawned on me that by having an 11:00am start time, we might evade the first rush. We used to attend another ward that met in the same building and had an earlier start time in the morning. 75-125 ‘tourists’ routinely showed up to our meetings. It sometimes felt as if there were more visitors attending than actual ward members. Honestly, it was not a dynamic I enjoyed all that much. In that respect, due to that dynamic, I prefer the 11:00am meeting time – but we’ll see how the rest of the year goes. |
We had to meet at 9:00 AM for a few weeks last year, which meant that bishopric meeting started at 6:00 AM and PEC started at 7:00 AM. That was murder. 10:00 AM isn’t so bad (7:00 AM bishopric; 8:00 AM PEC), but it does suck having to wake up earlier on the weekends than you wake up during the week. If it were up to me, I’d have church at noon, with meetings starting at 9:00 AM. There’s no one time that will satisfy everyone. Some people love to wake up at the crack of dawn every bit as much as I like to hit snooze and sleep in — the easiest way for me to be up at 5:00 AM is to stay up all night. Seriously. |
We just moved from the 1pm slot to the 9am time. As we jumped into the car at a quarter past 12 #1 Daughter said, “Wow we used to get yelled at about right now to hurry up!” The litle kids thought it was wonderful to have the rest of the day to play. I took a nap. |
We were on the sweet 9 to 12 block, but now it’s our year for the 12:30 to 3:30 block. It is great for sleeping in, but we definitely noticed a steep rise in the number of sunbeams and nursery aged kids passed out at the end of sacrament meeting. Our girls were amongst those afflicted as their nap time usually falls between 12:30 and 1:30. |
We didn’t change. A couple of wards in the stake are splitting at the end of the month, so everyone’s staying the same for a few weeks until it’s all sorted out. It’s weird not to change on the first Sunday of the year. I’ve always liked 10 am, though I think we’ve only done it twice. It’s early enough that you still have plenty of time in the day, but late enough that you can still sleep in an hour or two later than a weekday. |
The 3 hour block is an institutionalized form of child abuse. |
I prefer 8:30-11:30 or the traditional 9-12. I could also get on board with 10AM./ Afternoon church sucks. esp if you have a stake calling. |
When block meetings started, I think the three wards in my building met from 8:00 to 11:00, from 11:30 to 2:30, and from 3:00 to 6:00. I don’t think overlapping blocks had occurred to anyone yet. Every month or two, there would be some Sunday evening function of the ward or stake that would cause the 3:00 to 6:00 block to end early at 5:30. The newer building the Saints in my old neighborhood now attend is much smaller and only houses two wards (and is half a mile from my old house instead of a mile and a half). I suspect it is recognized by the central administration that housing more than two wards in a building doesn’t really work unless the building and parking lot are quite large. |
ARJ, I was in the ward nursery for awhile and honestly, the children (18 months to 3 years old) seemed to have it easy. Lots of toys to play with, snacks and parents were never all that far away. Lessons were maybe 2 or 3 minutes long. Maybe you’re talking about the older kids? |
John, They have one inner-city ward, one spanish-speaking branch, and one YSA branch meeting there. Danithew: I feel the Spirit so much in my current ward that I usually get knocked out like Lamoni and his father, and that’s why it looks like I’m sleeping. I try to wake up, and when I do, the Spirit knocks me out again, so that’s why it looks like I’m “nodding.” And I have low blood sugar, too. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. |
My ward is the only unit in the building, and we have always met at 10:00. A year or two ago, they dissolved our old stake and our ward moved into a new stake. The new stake president wanted all the wards to start at 9:00 unless there were two wards in the building. Allegedly, the rationale for having everyone meet at the same time was that stake visitors would more easily be able to get from one building to another if they had assignments in multiple wards. (I know: that doesn’t make any sense, especially since the buildings in the stake are 0.5-1.0 hours apart). Our ward didn’t want to change, and the bishop dragged his feet for a year, but we finally had to make the change this week. About a year ago, I overheard a member of the stake presidency tell the bishop that the handbook directed that meetings had to start at 9:00 if there was only one unit in the building. The bishop clearly didn’t believe him. Attendance seemed to be a bit down this week; we’ll see what the long-range trend is. It’s popular to complain about the three-hour block, but those old enough to remember where they were when Neil and Buzz walked on the moon will also remember that Priesthood, Sunday School, and Sacrament meeting usually each required a separate trip to the church (except on fast Sunday), and that Sacrament meeting was an hour and a half. That’s not such a big deal if you live three blocks from the church, but if you drive 30 minutes to church, that’s three hours just driving. I could do with the three hour block being shortened, but I sure don’t want to go back to the six-and-a-half hour block. |
ARJ #23 I completely agree that and commiting the poor kids to one hour in cell block c. That is what those tiny cinderblock no window classrooms remind me of. |
#29 JA Benson – Having served in the Primary for some time, I can assure you that no three to six year old children sit still for three hours! Even with the 3-hour block, the first hour and 15 minutes they are their parent’s problem and the next hour and 45 mintues is broken into class, sharing time, music time, and wandering aimlessly in the hall. We used to have a woman serving in the Primary who would constatly lament how it’s “impossible” for kids to survive the 3-hour block. But I see families doing it all the time. Now… Do the Primary leaders survive as well? I don’t think so. ;) |
Sorry #30 Paroled I agree 3-6 year olds usually can not sit still for 3 hours. I was being sarcastic. I am sarcastic a lot. Sorry sarcasm does not go over well on the web. Children should not be put in the situation which they will fail then to be scolded. I served in the Primary, in various callings, for 15 years. the last stint was for eight years. BTW I love your handle. I have taught pre-school and kindergarten. I have observed what other churches do on Sunday. They are more concerned with how a child feels about church then keeping them quiet. Good feelings lead to feeling the spirit, and then gaining a real, lasting testimony. Sacrament Mtg is hard. I had Dr Price for child development at BYU and he had us try an experiment where we were to sit on a kitchen table with our legs dangling off the edge, staring at a blank wall and listen to someone speak a foreign language and see how long it took us to become antsy. Most collge students lasted about 5 minutes. The little kids are waay over their limit for sitting after that 1hr and 15 minutes. What is class time? It is time served in cell block c mostly sitting still. Then depending on the teacher, maybe a little fun. If the teacher goes by the book not so much. Sharing time usually more sitting still. Music time ditto. I am that woman who laments on the survival rate for kids surviving the 3 hour block. There was a study done recently that one of the factors in the dismal retention rate for young adults starts in Primary. Most kids are bored out of their skulls. They wait for Mutual. Depending on the youth program in any given ward in the first few years it either grabs their attention or not. The kids mentally shut down and wait to be 18 and then they are out of there quite often to never return. |
#31 JA Benson – I assumed you were being a little sarcastic as was a little of my reply (it’s just in my nature though my dry humor doesn’t translate well via the web either). :) I don’t disagree that the Primary program can be tough for the very little children. It’s a huge departure from their experiences in nursery and usually the first time they’re expected to sit still *ever*! And while I’m not familiar with Dr. Price, it sounds as though his analogy is right on target. As a former Star and Sunbeam teacher I personally think a little more liveliness needs to be added to the younger classes. Good teachers and Primary Presidencies manage this though I know from experience as a young child in Primary that there are many teachers and leaders who fail miserably. It’s a rare gift to be able to work with a child on his level without speaking down to him (even 3-year-olds pick up on this) which many Primary teachers and leaders do far too often. In my latest experience in Primary we had a music leader so interested in entertaining the children that they were impossible to calm once music time was over. While the kids loved it, in my opinion she was a little immature and really didn’t understand that while entertaining the masses is useful, creating havoc doesn’t help anyone. Any way you slice it, Primary is a tough gig! |
Does anyone else have any experience with this? |