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		<title>By: Socioeconomic Divisions in Mormon Wards part 1, or, How do I Magnify My Calling? &#171; Dead Seriously.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socioeconomic Divisions in Mormon Wards part 1, or, How do I Magnify My Calling? &#171; Dead Seriously.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: There is a nice discussion of what makes a &#8220;Happy Ward&#8221; over at Mormon Mentality right now. Also, this post was noted in the Deseret News&#8217; Mormon Times, so thanks for all the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2: There is a nice discussion of what makes a &#8220;Happy Ward&#8221; over at Mormon Mentality right now. Also, this post was noted in the Deseret News&#8217; Mormon Times, so thanks for all the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tori</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/01/06/the-happy-ward.htm/comment-page-1#comment-100787</link>
		<dc:creator>Tori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think 18 has hit the nail on the head in a way that no &quot;science&quot; can refute regardless of the amount of objective and double-blind research they do!  The light is ON!  Thank you AH!!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 18 has hit the nail on the head in a way that no &#8220;science&#8221; can refute regardless of the amount of objective and double-blind research they do!  The light is ON!  Thank you AH!!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/01/06/the-happy-ward.htm/comment-page-1#comment-96878</link>
		<dc:creator>AH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always interpreted Tolstoy&#039;s quote as all happy families follow the same principles in order to be happy. i.e. love, respect, patience, etc.. whereas unhappy families can be unhappy for a myriad of reasons.  

Kinda like the strange paths that Nephi saw people wandering on in the Tree of Life vision--there&#039;s a bunch of them.  But the iron rod leads to a narrow and well-defined path to happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always interpreted Tolstoy&#8217;s quote as all happy families follow the same principles in order to be happy. i.e. love, respect, patience, etc.. whereas unhappy families can be unhappy for a myriad of reasons.  </p>
<p>Kinda like the strange paths that Nephi saw people wandering on in the Tree of Life vision&#8211;there&#8217;s a bunch of them.  But the iron rod leads to a narrow and well-defined path to happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: scott h</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

The Robert Fulford quotation is fantastic and rings true in many respects.  Thank you for sharing it.

In fairness to Tolstoy though, I don&#039;t the first line of Anna Karenina was meant to lay out a sociological truth, so much as to express how those from disfunctional families perceive families other than their own.  Families that seem happy (and probably often aren&#039;t) also seem alike.  And if one&#039;s own family is unhappy, again it *seems* that this is so for reasons not shared by other families precisely because they often involve private disfunctions.  The lack of transparency concerning what makes families (or groups) unhappy hides the fact that these properties are frequently shared.

So, still an insightful observation by Tolstoy.  Or so I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>The Robert Fulford quotation is fantastic and rings true in many respects.  Thank you for sharing it.</p>
<p>In fairness to Tolstoy though, I don&#8217;t the first line of Anna Karenina was meant to lay out a sociological truth, so much as to express how those from disfunctional families perceive families other than their own.  Families that seem happy (and probably often aren&#8217;t) also seem alike.  And if one&#8217;s own family is unhappy, again it *seems* that this is so for reasons not shared by other families precisely because they often involve private disfunctions.  The lack of transparency concerning what makes families (or groups) unhappy hides the fact that these properties are frequently shared.</p>
<p>So, still an insightful observation by Tolstoy.  Or so I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15.

I agree. our ward is currently around 660. Too big, but splitting it is not in my hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15.</p>
<p>I agree. our ward is currently around 660. Too big, but splitting it is not in my hands.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why wards are intended to be small in size (several hundred), so that individual needs can be cared for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why wards are intended to be small in size (several hundred), so that individual needs can be cared for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/01/06/the-happy-ward.htm/comment-page-1#comment-96818</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of the comments have mentioned the &quot;belonging&quot; idea, and this is one that I&#039;ve been working on a lot of late in my own ward--apparently no one feels like they belong. One of the problems in addressing this from a Bishopric&#039;s policy standpoint is that some people don&#039;t mind not &quot;belonging&quot; (like, say, me), and others desperately need the inclusion to reinforce their spiritual underpinnings in the gospel. Because in large wards--like mine--it&#039;s too difficult for the Bishopric to meet one-by-one, we end up with blanket policies that end up under-feeding some, and over-feeding others. 

Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but if you have suggestions on how to overcome this particular &quot;belonging&quot; issue, then please join the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deadseriously.net/2009/01/socioeconomic-divisions-in-mormon-wards.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(lively) discussion on my post on this topic&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of the comments have mentioned the &#8220;belonging&#8221; idea, and this is one that I&#8217;ve been working on a lot of late in my own ward&#8211;apparently no one feels like they belong. One of the problems in addressing this from a Bishopric&#8217;s policy standpoint is that some people don&#8217;t mind not &#8220;belonging&#8221; (like, say, me), and others desperately need the inclusion to reinforce their spiritual underpinnings in the gospel. Because in large wards&#8211;like mine&#8211;it&#8217;s too difficult for the Bishopric to meet one-by-one, we end up with blanket policies that end up under-feeding some, and over-feeding others. </p>
<p>Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but if you have suggestions on how to overcome this particular &#8220;belonging&#8221; issue, then please join the <a href="http://www.deadseriously.net/2009/01/socioeconomic-divisions-in-mormon-wards.html" rel="nofollow">(lively) discussion on my post on this topic</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My experiences tend to reinforce the points in #11. I grew up in a smaller ward with relatively few people moving in and out. The result was stagnation and clannishness.&lt;/i&gt;

I grew up in a ward such described.  But for the last 12 years or so, I&#039;ve lived in a ward (series of wards) with incredible growth.  What was our ward when we moved here, is now 7-8.  It&#039;s almost like irrigating a wound -- when you have such growth, stagnation has a hard time taking root.  There&#039;s always someone new at Church, every single week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My experiences tend to reinforce the points in #11. I grew up in a smaller ward with relatively few people moving in and out. The result was stagnation and clannishness.</i></p>
<p>I grew up in a ward such described.  But for the last 12 years or so, I&#8217;ve lived in a ward (series of wards) with incredible growth.  What was our ward when we moved here, is now 7-8.  It&#8217;s almost like irrigating a wound &#8212; when you have such growth, stagnation has a hard time taking root.  There&#8217;s always someone new at Church, every single week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experiences tend to reinforce the points in #11. I grew up in a smaller ward with relatively few people moving in and out. The result was stagnation andclannishness. There were a few incidents of abuse, inappropriate relationships between married members, and teaching of false doctrine that really poisoned the ward over time. I remember a girl I dated in high school saying that they didn&#039;t agree with everything that was taught at her church, but her family still went there because of the good youth group and people. The opposite was true for me --  my family and I went to church in spite the people, not because of them. Not all small wards would be like the one in my experience, butdysfunction can happen in wards of different sizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experiences tend to reinforce the points in #11. I grew up in a smaller ward with relatively few people moving in and out. The result was stagnation andclannishness. There were a few incidents of abuse, inappropriate relationships between married members, and teaching of false doctrine that really poisoned the ward over time. I remember a girl I dated in high school saying that they didn&#8217;t agree with everything that was taught at her church, but her family still went there because of the good youth group and people. The opposite was true for me &#8212;  my family and I went to church in spite the people, not because of them. Not all small wards would be like the one in my experience, butdysfunction can happen in wards of different sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: Paroled from the Primary Presidency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paroled from the Primary Presidency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarahcuda
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think smaller wards are happier&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In my own experience, this hasn&#039;t been the case. In the last few years I&#039;ve been part of one smaller ward and a larger one. The larger ward, regardless of the potential problems you noted, would be the one of these two that I would classify as &quot;happier.&quot; But I think a lot of that has to do with the general types of people in the larger ward but little to do with the size. In fact, I personally &lt;b&gt;like&lt;/b&gt; a larger ward because it provides a larger base of people to socialize with and a larger group to choose from when looking to make new friends.

In the smaller ward it seemed like everyone *had* to be friends with everyone else or someone&#039;s feelings would get hurt. Even just going to the temple with another woman from the ward caused shock from a few others we saw there who &quot;didn&#039;t know [we] were friends&quot; and one in particular was hurt that neither of us had called to invite her to the temple, too (yes, I see the hypocrisy here since she didn&#039;t call either of us before driving up to the temple).

I&#039;ve seen unhappy branches where a visitor never goes unnoticed and the Branch President and RS President know everyone personally. I&#039;ve seen very happy branches as well. And the same goes for large wards.

I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; believe a lot of a ward&#039;s happiness or unhappiness can be set by the tone of the leadership in that ward but I also think a lot has to do with how willing the members are to serve one another and pitch in when needed. In the unhappier of my two most recent wards, the visiting and home teaching efforts were abysmal and most of the members spent far too much time worrying about the social elements rather than trying to improve themselves as individuals.

No ward is perfect and I think everyone has a different comfort level when it comes to ward/branch size but I don&#039;t think size is the only factor in determining the overall contentment of people in a ward or branch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarahcuda</p>
<blockquote><p>I think smaller wards are happier</p></blockquote>
<p>In my own experience, this hasn&#8217;t been the case. In the last few years I&#8217;ve been part of one smaller ward and a larger one. The larger ward, regardless of the potential problems you noted, would be the one of these two that I would classify as &#8220;happier.&#8221; But I think a lot of that has to do with the general types of people in the larger ward but little to do with the size. In fact, I personally <b>like</b> a larger ward because it provides a larger base of people to socialize with and a larger group to choose from when looking to make new friends.</p>
<p>In the smaller ward it seemed like everyone *had* to be friends with everyone else or someone&#8217;s feelings would get hurt. Even just going to the temple with another woman from the ward caused shock from a few others we saw there who &#8220;didn&#8217;t know [we] were friends&#8221; and one in particular was hurt that neither of us had called to invite her to the temple, too (yes, I see the hypocrisy here since she didn&#8217;t call either of us before driving up to the temple).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen unhappy branches where a visitor never goes unnoticed and the Branch President and RS President know everyone personally. I&#8217;ve seen very happy branches as well. And the same goes for large wards.</p>
<p>I <i>do</i> believe a lot of a ward&#8217;s happiness or unhappiness can be set by the tone of the leadership in that ward but I also think a lot has to do with how willing the members are to serve one another and pitch in when needed. In the unhappier of my two most recent wards, the visiting and home teaching efforts were abysmal and most of the members spent far too much time worrying about the social elements rather than trying to improve themselves as individuals.</p>
<p>No ward is perfect and I think everyone has a different comfort level when it comes to ward/branch size but I don&#8217;t think size is the only factor in determining the overall contentment of people in a ward or branch.</p>
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