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I don’t miss many football games. But Football games are always, ALWAYS better on mute and on TIVO (my wife agrees). So New Beginnings it is. Perhaps you could pipe in the game for the refreshments period and all have a racous good time. |
We had a bishop who wouldn’t miss the super bowl for the second coming. |
It probably will cause some problems. I can go either way on these kind of issues. Members should make their choices but meeting schedulers should avoid putting stumbling blocks in front of the less faithful. If you want the best possible outcome for your meeting why create barriers to its success? But could I ask an ancillary question about this particular church ritual? Ever since I was a teenager I’ve found the title to be funny. Aren’t all beginnings new? Can there be such a thing as Old Beginnings? |
Yeah, seriously. Stake Priesthood meeting should never be scheduled over the BYU – Utah football game either. You’ll end up with much lower attendance and many of those that do go will have too difficult a time getting over their feelings of resentment about missing the game to get anything of use out of the meeting (not to mention the fact that they’ll spend so much time checking scores on their phones that they won’t listen anyway). I grew up in a home where watching sports on Sunday was forbidden, so I am not really in the habit. That said, if I really had my agency concerning the matter (and by that I mean that my wife’s influence for righteousness could be somehow neutralized), I’d pick the Super Bowl all the way.
Now, I am intrigued that you felt you needed to specify that the two events are being held in different places… is there some holy corner of the world where the Super Bowl is New Beginnings? Not only that, but by using the word “attend” you make it sound like the choice is between New Beginnings and the Super Bowl in person. In that case, I am pretty sure we’d see a lot more people come down on the side of the Super Bowl. Seriously, though, according to the church website New Beginnings may be held as a mutual activity… why have two meetings when one will do? |
Seriously, though, according to the church website New Beginnings may be held as a mutual activity… why have two meetings when one will do? I think the FMH sisters would probably go apecrap over this suggestion… |
Why, queuno? I confess total and complete ignorance concerning New Beginnings, except that I knew it existed growing up and that the girls had to go to it once a year. What sacred cow have I slain? Or is the fact that I clearly know nothing about it the offense, betraying my shamefully male-centric, chauvinistic view of the world? (Or are you suggesting that the FMH crowd just like meetings?) |
ESO, I’d go to the New Beginnings. Unless you’re sick or have to travel, you’ve gotta go to your meetings. I’m probably one of the least valiant active members of my ward, and even I know that much. Orwell, if New Beginnings were part of young mens, then it would never be separate from the Tuesday night activity. Because almost all men in a ward balance a job with their calling, they tend to think about activities in minimalist terms. With women, it’s different. There is a preponderance of stay-at-home mothers in Mormon congregation, and that tends to turn a lot of the women-only callings into quasi-career endeavors. This often means that they do a better job; in my experience, the youth prefer the combined activities planned by the YW more than those planned by the YM. It also means that a lot of extras can get added to the program and then, over time, institutionalized into the expectations of the ward. There are only a few callings in which a man can see close up the disparity in leadership callings for men vs those for women, and most of them are in YM, because the YM leadership works right alongside the YW leadership. (Though when I was YM president, the YW presidents — who were awesome, btw — tended to treat me like I was the boss rather than a peer, which struck me as odd. Perhaps that’s a topic for a post.) |
nasamomdele–I believe I am the last person on earth without a DVR–that is a good solution annegb–it is my impression that some people are like that KLC–I agree that we should avoid barriers. As to the goofy names: welcome to Young Womens! Home of the beehives and Mia Maids. Orwell–as far as I know, no one has tickets, so the choice is between watching the game at home or at a party and attending a YW presentation. I suspect some little girls are not going to come out on top–how sad. RE: the meeting time. In this area it is common to have it on a Sunday evening. I can think of a few reasons: 1–people are more likely to attend in Sunday dress, lending the occasion a more serious feel; 2–many members of invited families might have scout/YM callings and those meetings could prevent them from attending NB is help as a Mutual activity; 3–the preceding Mutual activity might be used for preparation of NB. DKL–I admire your resolve, and of course, you have many NB meetings ahead of you. The family attendance at this unit’s NB was pretty sad last year, even with no big games to interfere, so I fear this might lead to even worse attendance. I’d love to hear about the YW presidency treating you as a “boss.” My experience has been that, although some YM presidents like to ACT like bosses, most YW presidencies plan around YM in general as they find them unreliable. So the YM are not even a peer, but treated more like kids. Anyway–I’d love to hear your experience. You must have run a good program to get that kind of respect. |
Last year this happened in our ward and our YW’s president wanted to change the date because she feared that people, especially the young women, would stay home. The bishop wouldn’t let her change it. You know, the ‘people should do the right thing’ mentality. Well, some did and some didn’t. I don’t see what it would have hurt to change the date…but by hell or high water, we aren’t changing something church related for something worldly related… silly I say, like there aren’t 51 other Sunday’s in the year to pick from. |
ESO, “treating me like I was boss” was poor phrasing, and probably offensive to them. It’s more like they seemed to think that my opinion mattered more than theirs, which tended to make me uncomfortable. On the other hand, they may have just been handling me so that I stayed out of the way. I saw things the same way that you describe them with regards to YM and YW. In our ward, they choose truly extraordinary women to lead YW, and they ran circles around us in YM (which was partly my point in my original comment). For my part, I did a middling job at best. |
I’d reschedule. There would be bad feelings & murmuring, let’s be honest. Ours is on Mutual night; others have it after church on Sunday rather than evening. Could you move it up in the day so as to allow people to be home by kickoff, without actually saying that’s why? |
Sunshine–I can’t imagine this bishop taking a stand like that, but maybe some people involved really feel that way. jeans–I agree, and have tried to suggest it, but I am not the boss. Right after church is an idea, though…. |
