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we had that kind of stuff going through our ward regarding proposition 8, which was, admittedly, a bit different a subject. there was a boycott called for on a ward baby shower because the receipient of said shower was rumored to quietly be voting no on proposition 8. as sad as all of it was, i appreciated the litmus test. brother x isn’t “poor” at all. who would want a friend like the author?! |
I have a question about this letter. Who is it written to since Brother X is referred to in the third person? Is it his wife who got the letter, not him? Is it addressed to her not him? This might make a little more sense. Every woman I know would prefer a “good friend” being upfront about why she can’t continue a friendship rather than not knowing why someone she is close to is avoiding her. But perhaps this isn’t a good friend of the wife, just some random person. |
ESO, Of course there are kooks in every ward. I think your taking umbrage with this particular kook has something to do with him directing his particular brand of kookiness at something that is important to you personally. And while Brother Loon-e-Toon’s weirdly accurate assessment of President Obama is spot on, he is definitely going about his little mission in a self-defeating manner. |
An interesting Deseret News article on what President Uchtdorf and Elder Ballard have to say on the matter (not that that’s going to change anybody’s mind, but it is proof of how loony the rabid-anti-Obama mindset is): |
Someone people are just more old-fashioned and private, so they do this kind of thing in personal letters instead of blog posts. |
makakona–that is sad. I hope your ward can recover now. jks–It is my impression that the letter was sent via e-mail to the family (I assume the parents, not involving the kids). I do believe that Sister X is significantly more conservative than Brother X, so maybe the letter is from someone who had once been close (although I have pictured this letter coming from a man–I could be all wrong). And you are right–this letter may have been meant as a kindness to explain seemingly strange behavior. MAC–I actually think this is a genuinely strange letter. I would be surprised at anyone feeling that a vote for someone was against the gospel of Christ, except for, perhaps, a vote to re-elect Hitler. Even then, I would chalk it up to a personal decision which is probably a mistake they might later regret. I actually have a very good friend who is married to a fairly prominent conservative talk show host and he routinely (daily) says quite outrageous things which I not only disagree with, but feel are distinctly unchristian. I believe his livelihood is a bigger deal than a single vote, but I am also able to maintain a relationship with the family. You are right that this writer is bein a bit self-defeating–I admire the passion. Tim–interesting link John Mansfield–I think it is preferable to make an ass of yourself in private, and certainly kinder to call someone evil in private than public. |
ESO, I’m curious about the connecting chain that brought this message to the X family to the attention of Mormon Mentality readers. |
jks asks the same questions I did when I read the letter. I suppose it’s a sincere intent to explain oneself, but I just believe everybody is crazy nowdays. |
I agree with Anne – we are all nutty in our own ways, but this is a bit extreme. If you have issues with someone’s views just deal with it – no need to send offensive messages… |
I received a similar-in-message but much briefer, less thoughtful email from a man whom I had known when he was a senior missionary serving at the Church History Library — I had written to ask to be taken off his anti-Obama spam mailing list, and he wrote to tell me how heartbroken he was that I had left the gospel to follow after Korihor. To me, people like this friend of mine and the one who wrote to Brother X are not really kooks in the classic sense of DSM-IV (or whatever edition the psychiatrists are up to now). They are, rather (or additionally, if you maintain they are kooks), exceedingly immature in the gospel. They cannot distinguish between their political views and the gospel, and they cannot comprehend that — politics not being identical to gospel — reasonable, faithful, thoughtful, worshipful members of the church could reach different political conclusions. Instead, their simplistic thought processes are: “I am a good Mormon. You are different from me. Therefore, you are not a good Mormon.” And then they pervert that good ol’ proselyting, testifying instinct into the sending of letters like that to your Brother X. |
This election cycle has for some reason been a shock to many a right wing Mormon. My EQP approached me not long ago and said that he’d never been in a ward where everyone didn’t think the same way politically before. He was obviously distressed by this, but was always appropriate. |
If I’m not mistaken, comments of this nature fly around at conservative thinkers, as well. Not to throw stones, but I think Ardis has nailed a big aspect of the issue with such inappropriate behavior:
And so it happens anytime anyone crosses that line. Like Harry Reid says “I am a Democrat because I’m Mormon” and like some of the examples here say about being Republican (though in not so many words). I have yet to see how the Gospel is polemic in political implications. I see room for all types. |
I see room for all types. Very true. I have no problem with my fellow saints of any political persuasion as long as they don’t make any claim that their views are the only ones that are proper for a member of the Church. |
I grew up in an evenly divided ward and today I wish our church had at least some diversity of thought. I think we would be better served with at least some. The writer of the letter would probably vote for a king or dictator. I get similar comments regarding conservation and global warming. |
“I get similar comments regarding conservation and global warming.” Me too, and it really makes me tired. I find it odd how polarized people seem to be, flocking to the extremes. Global warming is either the death knell of civilization or a complete fraud. Obama is either the savior of the country or the anti-christ. Isn’t it just possible that both extremes are wrong (not to say ridiculous)? Isn’t there some middle ground? I find it a bit depressing and embarassing that a letter like the one quoted above was written by a member of the Church. |
Trying to explain this kind of letter? Meh. Did you ever see the (admittedly profanity-laced) bit Chris Rock did about “Crazy People”? I think this is it–Whatever happened to CRAZY? |
@ 13. Wouldn’t those people who make a “claim that their views are the only ones that are proper for a member of the Church” be a subset of “all types” of people? Either there is room for all types, or there is not. |
Scott, I have a problem with a particular subset. |
a random John, Fair enough. I have problems with that subset, too. |
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annegb: good to see you pop your head out of your hidey-hole. Please write another blog post, either here or at your blog. I need a good chuckle. |
I think it all stems from that “If you have any ill feelings toward anyone…” statement that makes us almost insistent that we all be the same… Because somehow diversity can cause ill feelings and ill feelings can keep us out of the inner circle and that can keep us from getting from where we want to go. And so there are so who are compelled to tell why they are stepping out of the circle. |
People’s extreme feelings about politics can only hurt a ward, no matter which side of the aisle they are on. We had a couple that stopped letting their four-year-old play with our daughter because they found out my wife was voting Democrat and they were worried what their daughter would see and hear at our home. Am I wrong in thinking this is more of a Utah Mormon thing? It happens all the time, usually not as extreme as this letter, but still a lot. |
jjohnsen–wow. I don’t know if it is more common in UT or not. I would guess it is most likely to occur wherever people feel there is hegemony. FWIW, this letter was NOT from a UT saint. |
This is an interesting posting. There is one thing that comes to my mind though, and I believe it has not been discussed yet. I think there is an issue of tolerance here. Unfortunately, whether implied or directly, we are a Church that consistently perpetuates intolerance at a number of levels. I know my comment will definitely be bothersome to some, as most LDS members don’t seem to have the criteria to analyze themselves inwardly with objectivity (but who does, right?). On recent general conferences, I have heard this idea of a “war” going on being hammered incessantly. We are “at war.” We are in a war between good and evil. Our arguments for Proposition 8 were in this same light: “Traditional marriage is being attacked.” “Our moral values are being attacked.” During Mitt Romney’s failed campaign, and during the commemoration of significant events such as the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and the lifting of the Priesthood Ban on men of African descent, the media went on its regular cycle of articles about the issues, some of which included legitimate questions about our beliefs, policies, history and current standing. Unfortunately, several General Authorities made hasty generalizations calling the media attention “attacks.” OK, so, some of the questions are about areas we don’t like to discuss, but the “we are victims of attacks” argument is plain coward. The tone in the Church continued to be of Armagedonian discourse “we are at war, and we are being attacked by a common enemy.” Which frankly was not true. Yes, there were opinionated articles and editorials, but also legitimate issues. Issues that historically, the Church has pretty much stuck their heads in the ground when they surface, in hopes that they will pass and fade with time. It is only natural that members who are lacking in culture and exposure, receive the shock of a different point of view with this same attitude. “His/hers/their views are not in accordance to mine, this must be an attack on my values.” “This must be against the Church.” —-HERE, I see members of the Church MIMICKING to a certain extent the attitudes of our leaders. My point is, what are we as Latter-day Saints (members, local leaders and General Authorities) doing to decrease this type of ignorance and signs and acts of intolerance against those with different views and legitimate questions? Is there a lesson to be learned? Yes, even for General Authorities, is there a lesson to be learned? Or are we simply going to chuckle and say “Oh well, there are loonies everywhere…” |