Comments on: The Socio-Economic Problems with the Resurrection http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:54:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: rbc http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-2#comment-102321 rbc Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:42:48 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102321 re: 52 The same is true in the Philadelphia area. In fact some stakes in this area have prepared lists of welfare/social service/governmental aid offices located in their respective counties and townships as a resource for Bishops to recommend to people who need help-specifically members. After all, if everyone else is getting a bailout, why not needy LDS? (And, I have no idea if the Stake Presidents who've prepared the lists were Mormon Grad Students on welfare. Most of them were grad students at one point in their life.) re: 52

The same is true in the Philadelphia area. In fact some stakes in this area have prepared lists of welfare/social service/governmental aid offices located in their respective counties and townships as a resource for Bishops to recommend to people who need help-specifically members. After all, if everyone else is getting a bailout, why not needy LDS? (And, I have no idea if the Stake Presidents who’ve prepared the lists were Mormon Grad Students on welfare. Most of them were grad students at one point in their life.)

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-2#comment-102319 a random John Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:02:33 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102319 B. Tippetts, I'll look it up in the manual, but I can tell the practice in my current ward (suburban Utah) and in my previous ward (east coast city) is to help make sure people are getting the benefits they are entitled to under the law. B. Tippetts,

I’ll look it up in the manual, but I can tell the practice in my current ward (suburban Utah) and in my previous ward (east coast city) is to help make sure people are getting the benefits they are entitled to under the law.

]]> By: Doug Hudson http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-2#comment-102304 Doug Hudson Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:04:41 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102304 To paraphrase one of our great philosophers, J.T. Kirk, "what does God need with a starship?" ... er..."what does an immortal, quasi-divine being need with money?" Given the very premise of the Resurrection, why assume that the resurrected will use money at all? To paraphrase one of our great philosophers, J.T. Kirk, “what does God need with a starship?” … er…”what does an immortal, quasi-divine being need with money?”

Given the very premise of the Resurrection, why assume that the resurrected will use money at all?

]]> By: B. Tippetts http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102295 B. Tippetts Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:40:03 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102295 Well I have heard of this before while discussing with LDS LEFT Yahoo Group. (Believe me they still think I am a closet Republican) I believe though government should be the last resort. Taking advantages of government assistance probably does not involve welfare assistance but job training , undemployment comp,student loans.etc. And If there be any assistance it should be temporary. Can you quote Bishop manual on this or give reference of what is offical Church policy?. The goal of the welfare program is to move members toward self reliance. Well I have heard of this before while discussing with LDS LEFT Yahoo Group. (Believe me they still think I am a closet Republican) I believe though government should be the last resort. Taking advantages of government assistance probably does not involve welfare assistance but job training , undemployment comp,student loans.etc. And If there be any assistance it should be temporary. Can you quote Bishop manual on this or give reference of what is offical Church policy?. The goal of the welfare program is to move members toward self reliance.

]]> By: queuno http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102293 queuno Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:04:21 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102293 <i>recent shift that the Church has made towards directing members to receive government benefits, which in the past has been regarded as the evil dole</i> Um, how recent are we talking? Is 30 years considered recent? 20? 10? And is one's academic status taken into consideration? :) (More seriously - this old stake employment specialist knows full well that the Church embraces - ENCOURAGES - using whatever government resources are available...) recent shift that the Church has made towards directing members to receive government benefits, which in the past has been regarded as the evil dole

Um, how recent are we talking? Is 30 years considered recent? 20? 10?

And is one’s academic status taken into consideration? :)

(More seriously – this old stake employment specialist knows full well that the Church embraces – ENCOURAGES – using whatever government resources are available…)

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102292 a random John Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:01:47 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102292 B Tippets, You seem to be unfamiliar with the current implementation of the policy, which in my experience is for members to be sure receive all the government benefits that they qualify for. B Tippets,

You seem to be unfamiliar with the current implementation of the policy, which in my experience is for members to be sure receive all the government benefits that they qualify for.

]]> By: B. Tippetts http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102284 B. Tippetts Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:26:50 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102284 Brother John, The idea for people not to rely on the government for assistance occured when the Church established the Welfare Program as a response to the Depression of the 30's. The goal is to work toward self reliance. Ever since talks from the Brethren puts more emphasis on this correct policy. My blog www.mormonzionproject.wordpress.com gives reference to this by clicking on "Empowering The Poor" page. I would appreciate a blog comment from you about this topic . I am about to publish the blog on the internet and give it more public exposure. Brother Bart Brother John,

The idea for people not to rely on the government for assistance occured when the Church established the Welfare Program as a response to the Depression of the 30′s. The goal is to work toward self reliance. Ever since talks from the Brethren puts more emphasis on this correct policy.

My blog http://www.mormonzionproject.wordpress.com gives reference to this by clicking on “Empowering The Poor” page. I would appreciate a blog comment from you about this topic . I am about to publish the blog on the internet and give it more public exposure.

Brother Bart

]]> By: a random John http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102265 a random John Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:10:26 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102265 B. Tippetts, No, that is not correct. My question has to do with your personal opinion of the recent shift that the Church has made towards directing members to receive government benefits, which in the past has been regarded as the evil dole. I don't want a citation or a 20 year old talk that was given before this change took place. I want to read your thoughts. If your thoughts are simply a reflection of what you've read then please say so and this conversation will end as I can't very well carry on a conversation with a static document. B. Tippetts,

No, that is not correct. My question has to do with your personal opinion of the recent shift that the Church has made towards directing members to receive government benefits, which in the past has been regarded as the evil dole. I don’t want a citation or a 20 year old talk that was given before this change took place. I want to read your thoughts. If your thoughts are simply a reflection of what you’ve read then please say so and this conversation will end as I can’t very well carry on a conversation with a static document.

]]> By: B. Tippetts http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102262 B. Tippetts Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:17:13 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102262 oops! Random John > I did not sleep well last night. My mistake. Please see #38. I have made an correction. "I am (not) sure about your commentary but I assume yoou are making reference there is an effort in Church history to move away from cooperativism and focus on individualism and why this happened.[is this correct?] Leonard Arrington within his book Building The City of God treats this subject quite well. There is another book by Lucas and Woodworth . “Working Toward Zion” which gives examples of poor Saints starting their own cooperatives. Again Marion G. Romney gives implications we are moving toward more of a cooperative order." See post #28 for further reference. rbc. My post #41 was response to your concerns about welfare and the Law of Consecration. Sorry for the confusion oops! Random John > I did not sleep well last night. My mistake. Please see #38. I have made an correction. “I am (not) sure about your commentary but I assume yoou are making reference there is an effort in Church history to move away from cooperativism and focus on individualism and why this happened.[is this correct?] Leonard Arrington within his book Building The City of God treats this subject quite well. There is another book by Lucas and Woodworth . “Working Toward Zion” which gives examples of poor Saints starting their own cooperatives. Again Marion G. Romney gives implications we are moving toward more of a cooperative order.” See post #28 for further reference.

rbc. My post #41 was response to your concerns about welfare and the Law of Consecration.

Sorry for the confusion

]]> By: rbc http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/02/24/the-socio-economic-problems-with-the-resurrection.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102260 rbc Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:59:40 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=1240#comment-102260 Sam B. (43) Traveling to the DC temple from the Philadelphia area there is a $2.00 toll for the Harbor Tunnel to get through, or under, a part of Baltimore. There are additional tolls in Northern Maryland ($5.00) and Delaware ($4.00) but they are easily avoided without adding an hour of driving time, at least for those of us who live in the Western Philadelphia suburbs. It's the folks who will drive around the Baltimore beltway to avoid the Harbor tolls that crack me up, easily adds an hour to the trip, imo. You could not be more right about the DC Beltway-a nightmare. While I will miss the DC temple once the Philadelphia temple is up and running, I will not miss the long drive. Sam B. (43)

Traveling to the DC temple from the Philadelphia area there is a $2.00 toll for the Harbor Tunnel to get through, or under, a part of Baltimore. There are additional tolls in Northern Maryland ($5.00) and Delaware ($4.00) but they are easily avoided without adding an hour of driving time, at least for those of us who live in the Western Philadelphia suburbs. It’s the folks who will drive around the Baltimore beltway to avoid the Harbor tolls that crack me up, easily adds an hour to the trip, imo.

You could not be more right about the DC Beltway-a nightmare. While I will miss the DC temple once the Philadelphia temple is up and running, I will not miss the long drive.

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